India's moonshot, why?

Geez, always looking for a difference even when there really isn't one. ...
If by "Space is the future." You ment some like: "Exploring space is a great challenge to inspire people," Then there is no difference in our POVs; but I took your statement more literally.

I think space should be explored (mainly for the reasons stated - the effect on educational asperations on Earth) but I strongly oppose manned missions. (At least for the foreseeable future.)

I.e. That exploration can be much cheaper, and better done, if safety requirements can be relaxed and no need to take an enviroment for man along. The advance in AI that time delays necessitate would be great and very useful here on Earth, etc.
 
Let it go. Pakistan is smaller and not as advanced as India.

This has nothing to do with Pakistan, IMHO. Advancement is always a good thing... maybe the Indians will find something that the earlier 5 nations failed to see on the moon! :p
 
Let it go. Pakistan is smaller


That is one incredibly stupid argument, since SIZE has nothing to do with it.
Swizerland is smaller than Pakistan, but they have way more toilets per capita... :)

But maybe Pakistan gets the idea and they start a Moon program!!!
 
How are they going to transport it back?
The real question is:
What exists there that can be collected (after trip to moon) and returned to Earth that is not more 10,000 times cheaper to simply collect on Earth?

Answer currently (and for at least for 50 years, and very possibly forever) is: NOTHING.

Assuming that DT fusion can be made economical and then that the much harder He3 fusion can also be, then He3 fuel, IF it exist significantly on the moon. (I think not, and have given reason related to the ease withn which all helium escapes into vacuum thru even the finest (atomic scale) cracks and fact that the solar wind souce of He3 will also "bake it out" during the two week of continous sunpower heating of the surface.)
 
Oh, I just have to answer this, as the answer should have been just so obvious.

Don't the people of India just know, that the U.S. is the "center" of the world? Why don't they just accept this? (joking)

First, the Soviet Union sent their "piece of junk" satellite, Sputnick into orbit. We just couldn't let the evil Soviet Union be the center of the world, so we had to "best" them on that, and send a man to the moon. Not to be outdone, now India wants their chance, lest the U.S. go off and claim the entire universe for ourselves?

Sort of a national pride sort of thing, or a typical male "my dick is bigger than your dick" comparison thing. In civilized society, we rarely get to compete with one another such, so we substitute cars and big work trucks and oversized shiny/costly guy wristwatches and rockets and other various assorted "phallic symbols."

Actually, I think the current trend of sending much-cheaper-to-send, robots, is far better than trying to send an actual man very far from earth. Humans are just too needy. All that "life support" adds a huge amount of weight (and huge cost) to any launch. Plus, humans have this pesky insistance upon having a costly "return trip" provided for them as well.

I think for work in orbit, we should be experimenting with not sending hardly, if any, astronauts at all, and do more satellite repair work/launching by "telepresence." Let the astronauts stay on the ground, and wear their virtual reality suits, and use those to control human-shaped robots to mimic their moves. Then they can work, without costly life support, in their nice 8-hour shifts or whatever, and there's less chance of having to hastily mount expensive rescue missions when something goes wrong. Unfortunately, telepresence has its limits, because due to the limited speed of light, it takes many minutes to send and receive a signal back from Mars, or seconds, even from the moon. But I think the speed-of-light time lag approaches the "doable" level, in orbit around earth.
 
Another reason could be, that too often human governments, seem to see it as their mission, to waste as much of the taxpayers' money as possible.

One of the ways they like to measure "progress."
 
lmao... thats a good one. Also, isntead of shooting money in space, they could have feed their 900 million poor souls. Pretty sad to see people commiting suicide in India every day due to poverty while Indian government shooting $$s in space.:eek:

Maybe India wants to be first, to open up the new moon frontier to colonization, as India already has some 3 people per 2 acres of land, by my estimation.

But more seriously though, if the U.S. is seemingly lagging behind here, isn't it own own fault? While we have sorry lagging government monopoly underperforming schools, not doing enough along the lines of math and science, countries like India are passing us by. Already, we have exported so many of our jobs to India and China. People in India are doing our customer support with their thick English accents, and doesn't India have a lot of computer programmers now? So why should the U.S. launch a mission to the moon, when we have given away the store to India?

I don't think we should waste huge money rushing off too fast into outer space, at least until we develop a lot better technology that sending people riding up upon a precariously balanced explosion, pretty much what a gas-guzzling rocket engine technically is. Will we ever have a sci-fi space elevator, or will those ever be safe? Didn't I read somewhere that carbon nanotubes conduct electricity and could attract lightning? And has anybody ever done any calculations to determine whether a cable that could possibly carry its own weight, could ever be strung up into outer space to an achoring satellite? One thing particularly curious about the flying cars of The Jetsons cartoon, is that they can nearly as easily, just fly on their "anti-gravity beams" right on up into outer space, if they are equiped with life support. Someday, will people simply just "drive" into outer space? That would be so cool! Someday maybe a car=a spaceship?
 
That is one incredibly stupid argument, since SIZE has nothing to do with it.
Swizerland is smaller than Pakistan, but they have way more toilets per capita... :)

But maybe Pakistan gets the idea and they start a Moon program!!!

I didn't merely mean surface area! There are nearly a billion more Indians, a huge workforce, and the GDP of India is counted in trillions, vs Pakistans millions.

Let it go, you are being silly now.
 
Neither did I. Switzerland has way less people than Pakistan but that doesn't mean it is less advanced. Your comparison in size is irrelevant...

You let it go... :)

What quantity did I specify it was bigger in? Oh yes, I qualified that with workforce and GDP.

You however have not made a single testable point to demonstrate your claim that Pakistan is superior.

You lose, therefore, toodle-pip!
 
It is really simple: If India is bigger and it has more poverty, it loses the being more advanced. (I know it doesn't exactly follow, but I am following your kind of reasoning.)

..and because I don't want to be tempted to answer you, I will add you to my Ignore list. For this argument and for dissing Judas Priest. :)

Bye!

P.S.: I also don't want to see stupid fucking Ann Coulter all the time. Writing Loser over her picture is pretty lame since she is rich and successfull beyond your understanding, so who cares if she is wrong? I advise you to change that avatar to something sexy...
 
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Oh SAM, you've been deleting my posts.

What a load of crap, SAM. I seldom come to this section because you are a crap moderator, and I'm bailing now.
 
Oh SAM, you've been deleting my posts.

What a load of crap, SAM. I seldom come to this section because you are a crap moderator, and I'm bailing now.

Oh come on phlog, four posts of mine is bigger than yours hardly adds to the discussion, though you were supporting India. I deleted Syzygys as well,to avoid 3-4 pages of bigger and smaller, like the testicles :p
 
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Oh come on phlog, four posts of mine is bigger than yours hardly adds to the discussion, though you were supporting India. I deleted Syzygys as well,to avoid 3-4 pages of bigger and smaller, like the testicles :p

I supported my points though SAM, and Syzgys was just talking crap.

The testicles thing was just a bit of fun. True, but fun.
 
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