Immigration Crisis or an Economic Opportunity?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Michael, Oct 6, 2015.

  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    Income taxation is not volentary. Thats why we have the word charity.

    What voice does a kid born owing on a 30 year Bond?

    What happens if the person wants to live in their house and they refuse to pay on said bonds? Oh, that's right - violence. Violence happens.

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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    It is, as explained to you:
    Of course it is - your place of residence, choice of employment, all that stuff, is completely up to you. You don't like it, nobody's holding you - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    That's what you guys keep telling me, anyway.
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    Apparently this incident was somewhat shocking to Swedes? Well, that's okay. They'll get used to it. Soon, dangerous subways, no-go zones, rape, violence, generational welfare, etc.... - all of this will be a normal part of life in Sweden. And hey, at least no one could say the Swedes are racist... LOL yeah, except that's exactly what they'll say. And are saying. Hahahaha.... too funny. Wouldn't want someone to say something mean about you right? LOL Too bad you racist cuke, now pay more money.... hahahaha...

    Go ahead and call a Japanese a racist, you'll find someone who totally agrees with you. Ha! Too funny

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    Did you know, in the 1800s, about 1 in 3 Europeans returned to Europe. They came, they found life was not to their liking, and thankfully - they left. Something to consider. Not that it mattered. Progressive Socialism and Central Banking was going to happen - one way or another. Baked in the cake.

    Anyway, Sweden, you're a fantastic lesson in "Democratic Socialism". A Progressive Poster-Child if ever there was one. Thank the Gods the Swedes put their faith in Governmental Institutions. Not like that wasn't bound to fail spectacularly. Oh? The solution? There is only one peaceful solution for Sweden. A complete 100% end to the Welfare State. Or, bye bye Sweden.

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  7. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member


    Oh, don't worry, I have no problem coming and going as I please

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    As for legally 'taxing' laborer's - the US Constitution was amended to make this legal. You know, that whole Progressive Income Tax. It's what's funding the largest Government in the history of the human race - ours. It's what's funding our never ending wars. You know, so we can have trillions and trillions of miles of 'free roads'. And it funds our Police State. It funds our Government's spying on us. It bailed out our criminal fiat currency bankers - who are richer than ever. Sure, it cost a generation or two their prosperity and opportunity in life, so what? You use use the roads

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    Well, to be fair, T-Bonds backed by future progressive income taxation would be more accurate.

    So, let's see how "Democratic" Socialism plays out in Europe. My guess is, much like it played out in Venezuela. Too bad democratically elected socialist Hugo didn't live long enough to see the children his progressive policies impoverished eat from garbage dumps - right now, 1 in 5 Venezuelans are living off refuse to obtain their daily calories. But, hey, that's okay: They use the roads.

    And why? Because people like you, want free-shit. At the end of the day, this is your motivation. Free-Shit. Free University. Free Healthcare. Freee free freeeeee.... and then you have the audacity of accusing those who challenge the notion of selling T Bonds on the unborn, or taxing laborers of what they own - their body and it's actions. All so that you can have some free shit.

    Sorry, nothing is for free.
    And income taxation is immoral by definition - not to mention, it's a poorly structured accounting tool. At best. But, whatever. What is, is.

    Anyway, let's see where Socialism takes the Swedes. My guess, to a nice long vacation, Venezuelan style - and that's if they're lucky

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    My guess is, they will not be that lucky.
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  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Too late - it already hasn't.

    For one thing, it never turned into socialism - all of Europe runs on capitalism, as the central economic engine. Has for many years now.
    For another, it never turned into a collection of centrally micromanaged economies, like Venezuela (or Cuba, but that one doesn't get mentioned so often - health care stats, nobody eating zoo animals on the one hand or murdering and raping across the countryside on the other, Cuba doesn't play so well in the wingnut pantheon, despite being the poster child for socialism in the Western hemisphere).
    Which doesn't explain why you refuse to support the efforts of people like me to pay for shit, and get what they pay for - like the Swedes do, and the Germans, and the Danes, and everybody else in the Western industrialized world. What's up with that?
  9. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member


    5 years ago Hugo was "The" Progressive - "Democratically" elected Socialist, Progressive of the Year one could say. Read all about how wonderful Hugo is, right here in a magazine called THE PROGRESSIVE. Read all about how wonderful his 'economic' policies are. How he's going to stick it to those evil Amoorican oil companies - stealing all that Venezuelan wealth. Power to The People. Workers Unite! Oh, but, it didn't really work out all that well now did it?

    And it won't end all that well in Swedenstan either. Of course, these things take time.

    Back to the No True Scotsman I see. Again, none of the modern Nation States use sound money. ALL modern nation states use fiat currency. These currency units come into existence through debt. Not capital savings. We are NOT capitalistic. There's a difference. Debt is not capital.

    As a matter of fact, we have 20 TRILLION units of debt obligations. 20 TRILLION dollars worth of government distortion. 20 TRILLION decisions - all made based on the initiation of violence. I know know. You love our Nation State. Wave our pretty flag. Have known nothing other than a life as a Citizen in a Nation State. The idea of a voluntary society, even one with a LIMITED government is as foreign to you as dry land is to a fish. It's okay, you're in good company. So, it's of little wonder (to me) that we live in a Police State, where all of our communication is sifted through and collated by the State's various spy agencies, where we house the largest non-violence prison population in human history, where we engage in the longest running war - a phony war based on fake news. Where we have to pay a tax on the 'income' from our labor. Where we need permission to sell milk. Or get married. Or smoke a weed.

    Oh, I know I know, I use the roads. There's the door. Blah blah blah.... not going to change what is. LOL

    Ours IS your Progressive Socialist State.
    We're living in it.

    And, we're getting more of it. Probably with a spoonful of fascistic flavoring. Just be patent, you'll get all that free-shit. We'll get to our Workers Paradise one day. AND you'll even get to keep your toothbrush

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    Firstly, Cuba's a crap hole. Even been there? No? Maybe you should go once before you crap on about some place you've never been. Secondly, even in Socialist Worker's Paradises like North Korea you own your toothbrush. This doesn't negate what it is.

    Except you didn't. You didn't pay. You voted for politicians who took out debt obligations and the Chinese and Japanese paid. You're forcing those obligations onto your children, and their children's children, and their children's children. 100's of TRILLIONS of debt obligations, for services and good that YOU enjoyed - THEY WILL PAY FOR. If they don't? And they resist - they can get shot in the face, or dragged off to prison.

    Land of the Fleeced
    Home of the Slave

    And don't you worry, we're getting more State Authoritarianism - not less. More.

    Because, you're still not done now are you? You want MOAR free-shit. Like free healthcare, free K-14, free-shit man

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    Well, well well - it's going to take a LOT of tax chattel to pay for all that free-shit. Best get them rapefugees in here paying for all of it now. Hurry up. Time's ticking. Those greenshoots aren't just going to up and grow themselves now

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    In a sense. What was, was. But, that's not what Swedes want. Not what was. Not what is. But what will be. Or so they thought. The Swede's voted to use State violence to provide for their future.

    They're in for a surprise.

    Call it Karma. The end result of all Socialism / The Initiation of Violence against innocent humans / Citizens / Tax Chattel trapped inside of a Nation State / geopolitical entity. Yes, Karma sums it up nicely.

    Voting to make rape legal (even of a fellow Citizen) - is not going to make it moral. And get this, you're not going to rape your way to a happy prosperous society. How fitting the Swedes would end up in the predicament they are in.

    Anyway, returning to the OP: As I said, the ONLY way to peacefully solve this crises, is the complete end to the Welfare State. End it all. That's not going to happen though. So, bye bye Swedenstan. Nice knowing you. Oh, and thanks for making an example of yourselves. It's a timely lesson indeed. Really good timing to be honest.
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  10. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    There's a theory that suggests Rome didn't proceed through the industrial revolution because of the readily supply of slave labor. You know, in a society where Authoritarianism is the norm, the idea of creating or inventing things is done through this lens. You'd probably be less inclined to think up some magical machine that runs on dinosaur juice when what you really need is a better means of capturing more humans, enslaving them, and breaking them as humans.

    Let's see what the Socialistic Europeans do to solve their social crises. Would a voluntary solution come to mind, such as ending welfare? Or will an Authoritarian come to mind - one that will use State violence to 'solve' the problems of society? Yes, let's see which direction the Europeans go in.

    Where did their gold-paved Socialistic road lead them to?
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    German Newspaper: Lkw-Fahrer soll als Flüchtling ins Land gekommen sein

    Local police confirm: 12 people were murdered and 48 injured when a Pakistani refugee plowed his truck into a crowded Christmas market in east Berlin around 8:00pm on Monday evening.

    Of course, one wonders how you can BE a Pakistani refugee. Syria is the nation at war with ISIS/America. Not Pakistan. Oh, that's right. Germans don't want to be called racists. Well, too bad. That's exactly what you are going to be called. Not just this year - FOREVER.


    See, over the next 6 years, ethnic German males WILL come to be a minority of the men aged 18 - 35 living in Germany.
    Too funny huh?

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    From there it's simple math. Demographics show that non ethnic Germans will replace ethnic Germans, not only by out breeding them, but also by marrying their relatives/cousins back in the home country and bringing them over to enjoy all the free-shit. The more come, the more free-shit. It's a win-win. Regardless, even with stemming the flood of refugees into Germany, the refugees living in Germany now, together with non-ethnic Germans, will easily displace ethnic Germans by the middle to end of this century. Say, in a human lifespan.
    Which is good isn't it.
    Because Germans are racists - and Germans will always BE racists. They have to pay - forever. Until there are no Germans. Which, will be soon enough

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    AND, funny enough, Germans are actually paying taxes to disenfranchise their own children. Can you imagine? That's some funny arse sh*t. Yeah, trust GiverMint dumbarses. See how that works out for you.... again.


    Ah Progressive Socialism, you are one wicked b*tch, that much is for sure.
    Bye Bye Germany, hello Karma / Germanstan

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  12. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    I'll say it once again, as I find it of interest to note. During the late 1800s, many Europeans came to the USA. 1 in 3 returned to Europe. See, without a Progressive Income Tax, GiverMint couldn't offer free-shit. Thus, people had to work, if they wanted to eat. In this way, Americans ushered in the post-modern era. It was a selection of the hard-working. Those with Industry. Both of which are correlated with high IQ.

    The exact opposite of today's snowflake

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    Let's see how it all works out:
    New Scientist: Brain drain: Are we evolving stupidity?
    United Press International: Last century - Western nations lost an average 14 IQ points
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    FriaTrider: Café Vattenpipa: Här hölls kvinnan som våldtäktsslav i källaren.

    So, a Swedish liberal volunteer group helped a pair of Syrian men taken in as refugees set up a a Middle Eastern hookah shop.

    Having finished virtue signalling, kind of like male car spraying thier terrirotyr, the liberals left, their jobs done here - never to return. Now, as someone who lived with a middle eastern refugee (really great guy) I can tell you, I never once say a progressive liberal come around outside of their 'community' organization filled with other liberals. IOWs, all I ever say any of them do was virtue signal to one another. They don't live in the neighborhood and they aren't close friends with any actual refugees.

    Anyway, so the local authorities came to inspect the suspicious business, and they discovered a stomach-churning surprise in the shop’s basement.

    In the basement of the hookah cafe, managed by 2 Syrian Muslim refugees, 28-year-old Khaled Azez Hegrs and 23-year-old Tareq Bakkar, they discovered a kidnapped Swedish woman chained in the shop’s basement. The brutalized victim was being kept as their own personal sex slave and had been repeatedly raped and tortured by at least 7 Arab Muslim men.

    The horrific revelation provided investigators with proof that the unnamed woman had been kidnapped at gunpoint from Malmo before a group of 4 Muslim asylum seekers transported her by car to the cafe. She was then chained to a water pipe in the basement of the lounge in Helsingborg, where the men repeatedly gang raped her.

    Authorities confirmed that as soon as the car arrived at the shop, 3 other Arab men were waiting to begin their sadistic sex spree. The men forced her onto a couch and stripped her naked before carrying out oral, vaginal, and anal rape. On at least one occasion, police say that she was raped by 2 men at once.


    Avpixlat reports that Hegrs and Bakkar were each sentenced to 4 years in prison for aggravated rape and forced to pay $30,000 in damages. Neither was convicted of kidnapping or torture. The judge has finally agreed to deport the pair, although the convicted may appeal their sentences, as most migrant offenders do. Incredibly, the court is still struggling to convict the other 5 migrants.

    Progressive Socialism - destroys another society. See, NONE of this would be possible with socialism. Why? Because Progressive Liberals are some of the stingiest people on the planet - more than happy to virtue signal with YOUR money (in this case income tax). Not too happy about spending their own money. They'd barely bring in a handful, probably women and children who actually need refugee services, if they had to buy the land, pay for the food, water, electricity, etc.... Thanks to the magic of Progressive Socialism, all they have to do is vote in a Socialist, whom fit into Government like hand in glove.

    Then spray the country in urine as they virtue signal to the progressive voting base. Of course, because no one wants to be called a 'racist' most people just shut up and watch the society around them implode. How insane is that? What? The word going to hurt you? You're willing to watch as your entire way of life is undermined over being called a name?

    How pathetic. Then you deserve your future.
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  14. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    Here's some interesting immigration news from the USA, via CBS: Montrealers bound for Trump inauguration turned away at border.

    CBC has spoken to two Montrealers who were refused entry to the U.S. en route to Washington for Donald Trump’s U.S. presidential inauguration today and the women’s march Saturday. Joseph Decunha, a McGill University physics student, said he had tried to cross the border at Lacolle, Que., at 10 p.m. ET Thursday. “The first thing he asked us point blank is, ‘Are you anti- or pro-Trump?'” Decunha claims he was asked by a border guard who eventually denied him entry.

    Sasha Dyck, another Montrealer travelling with a different group of people, was refused entry to the U.S. at the same crossing, after telling agents he was hoping to attend the women’s march.


    Apparently, Boarder Guards make such decisions every day and operate under the same general guidelines for alien admission as are found in Sec. 212. [8 U.S.C. 1182] which sets forth a variety of reasons for denial of entry, visas, passports, etc.
    (3) Security and related grounds.-
    (A) In general.- Any alien who … seeks to enter the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in-
    (iii) any activity a purpose of which is the opposition to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United States by force, violence, or other unlawful means.

    A far cry from Swedenstan, that much is for sure........... 70 years of post-WWII boom. And, here we are. While I've never been denied entry to a country, I have had some interesting experiences entering countries. Like seeing guards in full body armor walking around carrying machine guns. That was entering via LAX. The only airport I was pick-pocked at incidentally.

    Funny enough, when we were 18 we'd drive over to Windsor and get hammered. On more than one occasion I feel asleep in the back of my mates truck bed, he'd just drove up to the boarder crossing, and we were waved through (me still asleep). Long gone are THOSE days.
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  15. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    BBC, Facebook Live 'broadcasts gang rape' of woman in Sweden.

    Yeah, three 'men' gang-rapped the woman. According to the BBC, it's possible she wanted to be humiliated live on Facebook. That aside, I do wonder, who these 'men' were? I bet they were Swedish - probably white men with their white privledge filming the rape of a white Swedish woman, because that's how evil some White men are. Or maybe men in general? I mean, it's not like the BBC really tells us anything more than that.

    Thank the Gods the Progressive Socialists who rule over the Swedish are working day and night to destroy that culture and replace it with a New Swedish identity. One with a new, a very very different cultural make up. Multicultural. Which is fine, because all 'cultures' are equally good. Even ones who think women should be humiliatingly raped. Not just raped. But concurrently humiliated.

    Of course, given the BBC didn't go into the details of the gang-rapists, I'm not quite sure what THEIR cultural affiliation is? Oh well, I suppose that was an overlooked detail not worthy of mention. I mean, they did mention is was 'men' - I suppose THAT was an important detail. You know, 'men'. Because generalizing is bad - unless it's not bad. Like with the generalization of 'men'.


    Oh, and then they went off on a tangent about the USA. I suppose THAT was also an important detail. Context you know. About 'men'. See 'men' are the problem. Maybe all 'men'? Not low IQ men who are raised by low IQ mothers to believe in a Bronze Age ideology that teaches them that infidels can be raped on the field of battle (which can mean anything to anyone, at anytime - particularly when you have the IQ of a 14 year old child and the impulse control of a gnat). I'm sure there's no statistical correlation between violent crime and rape and this subgroup of men. No, no no - that'd be 'scientific' and who'd want to use that to form a rational opinion?

    Anyway, New Sweden, here to stay - thank you Socialism.
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  16. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    Hey, we're starting to get some economic data from Germany. So? Economic Opportunity or Cluster-Frack?

    Well, the first thing that's pretty interesting, is that in Germany (an aged country with one of the lowest birthrates in the world - lower than Japan, for example); a country that sees around 300,000 people leaving the workforce every year (according to labor-agency estimates) and a million-PLUS economic-migrants/refugees come in, still saw employment rise by an average of 36,000 per month (2016) to a record 43.5 million. Unemployment dropped below 6% too!

    Sounds good huh?

    German Job Mystery Hidden in the Lies Lies and Damn Statistics (Bloomberg / Forbes)

    Now, stop and think about this question, millions of supposed "refugees" / 'economic migrants' have flooded into Germany. How many of these people, do you suppose, have been hired by Big German Corporations? The fat 30 that make up Germany's DAX stock market index?

    How many hires?

    Again, MILLIONS of refugees, a dropping unemployment rate.... so? How many? How many have been hired? Okay, to be fair, let's remove the Deutsche Post DHL (they hired 50 to sort letters). So, we'll remove the Post Office as they're not really a good example of a major German firm looking to hire into the "NEW" Germans and jump start that good ole' German "Economic Miracle".

    Well? How many do you suppose of the MILLIONS of economic migrants?


    That's the number.
    A total of thirteen people (Reuters). Like this wasn't expect, only an utterly incompetent virtue signalling political tool would think there was an 'economic miracle' waiting around the corner.

    Socialism DESTROYED the incentive for Germans to have children, it denigrated mothers who stayed at home to raise a family (a freaken hard job for those who take it seriously) and proselyted to those who went into the full-time workforce where studies show they've never been unhappier in life (though they do make good tax chattel and doubled the State's income tax receipts). Well well well, Progressive Socialism has some generational Welfare bills coming due. No children to sell bonds on (or, I should say, they're there - just not enough of them). What to do? Oh, I know! Refugees! Let's take a few million! That'll fix it! Who'd have guessed this promised economic miracle was in actually a cheap parlor trick? Well, anyone who bothered to look at how it worked out for the Turkish-German community (upwards towards 80% may be trapped on generational welfare).

    So, thirteen out of millions.

    Good luck Germany, a combination of Welfare State, plummeting ethnic birth-rates and pathological empathy off-the-charts, it will be really interesting, one could say telling, to see how your Welfare State fairs without a majority Ethnic German demographic paying for it. Deferring, saving, buying, selling - doing all the things that made it seem possible. Instead of doing the right thing, and sending money to the ME where it would have actually helped the real refugees, by a factor of 100 to 1, those who were too poor to make it out of town without being raped, let alone to Germany - nope, you thought you could scoop up a nice sizable chunk of a near-by tax chattel herd and start the milking.

    Well, it's not going to work out that way.

    A high proportion of refugees are highly superstition, cling to regressive notions of non-Believers, have regressive notions about gays, atheists, Christians, other Bronze-Age simulations of their own superstitious beliefs and etc... have not been qualified beyond primary or secondary school level, are unable to read or write in their mother tongue (let alone German), and may have an IQ two standard deviations lower than the average European (which may be 85% genetic), meaning when they do attend school, they'll not be able to do so and learn at the same rate, or even the same age level, as the average Ethnic German. I wonder how that'll make them feel?

    Imagine an average kid placed in a school for the advanced. Just how the hell do you think such a child will feel? Good about themselves? Living on welfare or working as a janitor. You know, leaving them to do all those shit-jobs no one wants. The ones that don't pay well. Which means that instead of making a life for themselves in a town somewhere in the ME, that could have been a safe-zone, they'll be trapped at the bottom rung of German society.

    Hope you enjoyed your virtue signalling while it lasted because your society will pay the ultimate price - but, will serve as an example of what not to do. And that alone makes its more than worth it.
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  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Uh, that business of working outside the home for money, employed by a corporation owned by somebody else? That's called capitalism. It was capitalism that did that to men, and it is capitalism doing that to women - the destruction of community via capitalist organization of an industrializing economy.
    You continue to exhibit your basic confusion re inherited characteristics such as IQ - they aren't inherited by populations. Your 85% number is - at best, if it's even accurate - familial inheritance. Like height.
  18. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    Capitalism freed men (and women) from a life of never ending work just to get enough to eat. That WAS capitalism. Back when we had sound money, investment and *gasp* capital. We don't have that any longer - we have a Government Enforced Central Bank issued Fiat Currency. Based on debt. Not capital savings. Debt. These are two completely different things. With money, the power resides with the people. With fiat currency, the power resides with the Government. It doesn't matter who is elected, it doesn't matter if we're at war, it doesn't matter if they cause the Greatest Depression in history - through government violence and coercion, the Central Bank can outlast anything and anyone. And will, until there is no USA anylonger. Which will, one day happen. Like it or not. In a free-market, the USD would have LONG been replaced with something much fairer and much better.

    So, let's not start with the strawman okay? We use fiat-currency, and that's not capital.

    What COULD have happened, had we stuck with a limited government, sound money and common laws that actually protected property (as opposed to stealing or imprisoning it)? No one can know. Certainly, as measured by gold or silver, things are much cheaper. For example, a tank of fuel would cost 20 cents silver. I have to wonder, if the price of production, were measured in a currency that retained value, what would life be like given the productive gains made across 100 years?

    At one time, single father could work and afford all of the white-goods available, a house, and car, a vacation, and a family of five. How is it possible that productive capacity and efficiency hasn't seen our lives greatly improve whereby that same father only has to work a couple days a week? Or a couple hours a day?

    Let's see? Um, trillions wasted on socialism in the form of welfare creating trillion dollar government run welfare ghettos complete with trillion dollar government run government schools where government schooled graduates cannot read and write. Unknown trillions wasted on government run phony wars. Unknown trillions wasted on government run drug wars. Unknown trillions spent distorting all aspects of society with regulations and regulatory agencies of unknown proportions complete with trillion dollar government run prisons.

    It's clear to see where the problem is, and it's NOT capital investment and greater productive capacity.

    Incidentally, in Japan, it's still *GAAAAASP* very common for women to get married and quit their job at age 30 and raise their family. But, Japanese are "conservative" by our "progressive" standards. Yup, those poor poor Japanese are missing out on all the fun a multicultural society has to offer - just ask Swedenstan.
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    You keep confusing currency with capital. Why?
    Whatever you call it, this industrial system everybody else calls capitalism because it's based on private ownership of capital,
    whatever you call it, it's not socialism, and it is the system that drove both men and women out of the family home and into the work force for wage employment.
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    You keep trying to conflate a state issued currency, with a medium exchange that is derived through free-trade. The two are totally, TOTALLY, different.

    As an analogy: Suppose you're looking at pregnancy derived by sex. As an observer, if you were to just watch the act of sex, you'd know nothing more other than sex took place and an ensuing pregnancy occurred. However, there's an ocean's distance difference between raping someone, and making love with someone. One requires coercive violence, the other is a voluntary exchange. The 'fiat' in fiat currency - our progressive State backed Central Banking currency, refers to State violence. As a matter of fact, that's why we have an income tax on income made via labor. By forcing laborer's to pay the State, in its currency, said currency has value BY FIAT.

    So, when you look around you, and wonder why society is going to hell (and don't worry, we'll get our Progressive Dear Leader and all the "Socialism" you could ever hope for, in time), try taking a step back and thinking: Hmmmmm perhaps we shouldn't rape one another on each and every transaction. Maybe, just maybe, using violence 'for the good of society' is an idiotic oxymoronic idea that's actually leading to never ending State fiat currency paid for: wars, welfare ghettos, hyper-regulatory captured markets, rent-seeking, shitty schools and would-be-mothers that can not longer afford to have children.

    There's a reason why the US Constitution limits the State - because it's evil. And you can't have Socialism, without State violence. That's how 'Socialism' gets paid for. In blood.
  21. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    You do like your strawman don't you? I didn't suggest that IQ was inherited by population, I said the 'average' IQ of a population. This is what the data suggests. Pretending that IQ is unimportant, or that everyone is the same we just need to make sure they all get a big mac a day, or have the same access to Government School, is not helping.

    What do you think is the IQ of the attackers, versus their victims? Gangs of Muslim Immigrants Attack Chinese Children with Knives in Paris, France. See, what happens when you pretend everyone is the same, is you come up with conspiracy theories (from linked article: “[African] immigrants are much more demanding and consider themselves as victims.” They see the Chinese immigrants come to France (also living under that horrible French "White Patriarchy", one wonders why they even came?) and develop these thoughts: unafraid to voice their prejudices. One told the programme: “That’s the way it is. I don’t like the Chinese.” “The Chinese have become too rich in France. That’s not fair. They have nice clothes and big cars.”

    Now, this is where you Progressive Socialists come along and say: Yes, it's NOT FAIR. It's not fair those evil Chinese immigrants came to France with next to nothing and worked and saved and are successful. See? If they're successful, it must be because you're poor. THEY are stealing from YOU.

    Al-La douche bag politicians like Bernie Sanders. Who probably believes his own bullsh@t. In reality, the minority Chinese Asians have a genetically built-differently brain, it's built differently, it has different levels of receptors, signalling proteins and lipids; its thinking differently, it makes memories more efficiently, it can motive itself more easily, can project into the future more reliably - and it becomes successful relatively quickly and shows the lie that is this mantra White Patriarchy. So, when not attacking evil White Christians, time to beat some money out of the local ATM. Which is, incidentally, happening all across the USA too. Asians are a favored victim due to their lack of firearm ownership - something I encourage ALL Asians to rectify immediately.

    The Chinese are considered a community that shuts up, stops whining about victimization (even through China was colonized by Europeans and destroyed by the imported asinine European ideas of Socialism, still a problem in China) and get to *GASP* work.

    Bye Bye Germanstan and Swedenstan - you're screwed.
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  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    It drove men off the farm, that much is for sure. The work was in the cities. So, labor that worked on the farm, moved to the cities. Why? Because life was better for them. If not, they'd have remained on the farm. It was safer, better, cleaner to work in a factory.

    Further, most women didn't work in factories in the beginning. Yes, some women did - mainly clothing. A very small number did.

    But yes, men did go to the cities and take work. Not ideal. But better than the alternative. The same thing happened in Japan as well as in China. The idea was life would be better for the next generation - and it was.

    In 2017 Japan - women for the most part still remain at home once married (age 30) and raise a family. With productive gains, Japanese men could also be working less and less. When the productive fruits of efficiently flow into society, there's a slight deflation because things cost less to make. GASP shit costs the same or a little less year to year. My god, and somehow people still invest in new businesses and still invent new shit and people still buy homes... who'd of thunk it possible? How much do you suppose rent would be 20 min outside of a major city? How about a nice 3 bedroom? Well, a relatively new apt would rent for $300 a month. OMG, what's a Banking SlumLord to do?

    Of course, Japan is a conservative monoculture with a general IQ around 105. So, the choices they make, in their democracy, are a little different. I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm not saying there are not wealthy land owners (although they're expected to pay big money to maintain almost all of the "public" temples and shrines - and they do, because they're actually privately owned or owned by the local city).

    So, there is that. We are not them, they are not us. Two different people. We live in a multiculture - and soon, so will you Europe, lucky you, you won't have to deal with the problems Japan has (supplying enough depends to old people) and will instead have our problems: rape, murder, violent cities, race-baiting, white-hating, man-hating, and the blow back / Trump

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    Also, women began working in factories (actually, more like nice clean air conditioned offices), after the things they voted for started being billed. Women voted for Socialism, probably because it's in their nature to want a safe secure future, to be less risk-taking, which makes sense, they evolved to deal with long-term care for human children which take a decade to raise. So, we got things like free: Government School, welfare, medicare, and etc... ). Well, all of that needed paid for. Now we have a generation of man-boys with little sense of security and who's noodle-arms tick the voting box showing they all want the same as Nanny. Hell, the refugees all want their cut too - for entirely different reasons. More like: Free-Shit GiMeDat

    And this is the thing - with a sound money, ALL of that stuff, should have become cheaper over time. With a free-market, private competition should have replaced all of those things with better solutions.

    You want to know worse thing? Even living with these inefficiencies - just by having them, society is slightly demented, missing the important information provided in the price-mechanism. Kind of like a rich kid, that doesn't value their shit because the have no way to. The price mechanism is missing for them - and they become mentally detached from society.

    I'd also add this: Women entering the workforce DOUBLED the government's budget. You don't think that's a HUGE incentive for the Government to do any and everything it can to encourage, and keep women in the work force? It's so freaken bad now that the idea of NOT putting your children into day supervision at age 3 weeks old is 'odd'. I mean, WTF? People normalize, they now post-hoc explain everything to this new normalization. LIke: How are they going to 'socialize' with other 1 year olds and gee, they get upset when they start school at 5 because they haven't normalized to a daily routine that does not involve their parents parenting them.... etc...

    With fiat currency, the US Government has been able to manipulate the public through - tax incentives for day care (as an example) and etc... AND that's where we are now. We live in a Progressive Socialistic Nation State, complete with bloated Government, over-regulated public that's struggling to pay for generations of free shit in a fiat currency barely worth the paper it's printed on.
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  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    What a mess.....

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