"ILLEGAL ALIEN" Dies on Hospital After Being Ignored for 45 Minutes

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by TruthSeeker, Jun 14, 2007.

  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    You are such an incredible racist...........
     
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  3. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Ok. So I presume that means that an illegal immigrant should receive treatment in an american hospital even if they have no money, in which case the treatment should be payed with american taxpayers dollars.

    Wow. I'm sorry to have picked on you. Maybe you are not as bad as I thought......

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    How do you know that? Let's see.

    Like....?
     
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  5. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I'm pleased with your wisdom.

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    Good point.

    Precisely.

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    Apparently, it was. That's why the police came and took her to the police car. The article only sad that was a warrant for her arrest. But when I watched on TV, that was mentioned. (I didn't include that "little" detail because I couldn't find any proof online.)

    Yes! Yes!

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  7. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Really... what impresses me in this story is how she pent 45 minutes on the floor, and then instead of receiving her care after being ignored for 45 minutes, the police comes to arrest her for being an "illegal" immigrant, at which point she dies. That's what disgusts me.
     
  8. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    People in poor countries die, yes. But that's because they don't have enough resources to treat those people- not because they were blatantly ignored an denied help! Big, BIG difference there.
     
  9. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. So why was she arrested instead? Please, enlighten me.

    That was certainly an issue. But again, why was she arrested instead!!?!?!? Is everyone simply going to ignore that?

    O...k........
    Please, show me where I said that. :bugeye:

    I ansered that myself with an obvious rhetoric quiestion. The issue here is the conflict between saving this person's life with her status as an illegal immigrant!
     
  10. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Please, let's revisit the quotes I posted....

    Ok. So... wtf. She obviously needed medical help. Then the police comes in because she had an outstanding warrant? So they DON'T come in and people call for help to save her life. But they DO come in when they can take her to jail. I mean... gu-uuuuuys! What's uo with that!?!? Do you guys AGREE with that!?!?!?!?!



    These "other issues" he is refusing to comment on is the legality of her presence in the country- ie, she's an illegal immigrant.

    Nothing wrong!!?!?!?!? Wtf... They took a dying woman out of the hospital and into a police car to take her to jail!!!!!!! WTF?!!?!?!?



    And... I should add this:

    First highlight: she wasn't a criminal. She wasn't a danger to society. She was considered illegal though. So should she be considered illegal?
    Second highlight: clear indication of her immigration status.
     
  11. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    So... sandy. Do you agree that this illegal immigrant should have received care, as opposed to being dragged to a police car and thrown in jail?
     
  12. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Truthseeker:
    No, she's a US citizen if she was born in California.

    Your post answered your own question:

    "Alerted to the "disturbance" in the lobby, police stepped in — by running Rodriguez's record. They found an outstanding warrant and prepared to take her to jail. She died before she could be put into a squad car.""

    "Alerted to the "disturbance" in the lobby, police stepped in — by running Rodriguez's record. They found an outstanding warrant and prepared to take her to jail. She died before she could be put into a squad car.""
     
  13. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    they shouldve given the person the treatment no one deserves to die at all, there is no excuse for people who take a vow to care and heal people to ignore people!
     
  14. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    How do you know that the hospital had the resources to treat that woman at the time? All of the doctors might have been busy saving other lives ...why are you so sure that she was ignored willfully, as opposed to the staff being too busy with others?

    As to the other poor people in the world ...if it's a "human right" to medical care, then shouldn't we go to Africa and Asia and India, etc and treat all of those people? Why are you so upset with this one case, when there are millions in need all over the world? Shouldn't you be equally upset about them .....if it's a "human right" issue for you???? Or is that just all bullshit talk?

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  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe the doctors and nurse were all busy caring for others? Did you think of that at all? We have emergency rooms here in Dallas that are packed full of people 24 hours a day ...waiting for a doctor or nurse, who are all busy as hell treating others.

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  16. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    well over here they have 3 stages before you go and see a doctor in an ER they have the valuation nurse then the nurse to see if she can do anything and then she will pass your details onto the dr, but at no point are you left to suffer, example, about 6yrs ago my son had a bad fall and broke his arm, he was screaming, and he was with someone at all times the dr saw him within 20mins, so i cant believe that anyone sits in a waitign room and suffers, i know that hospitals can and do get very busy but nurses are called from differant departments in my local hospital if one department gets to busy,
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Doctors take an oath to help people. Governments do not. You decide.

    Ask the doctors in those countries if they would stand idly by and watch someone die on the floor for over a period of 45 minutes without giving them so much as a paracetamol. If they say yes, then congratulations. It means the doctors in the US have sunk as low as those in 3rd world countries. If they say no, then be happy with the knowledge that doctors in the US have sunk lower than their counterparts in 3rd world "poverty stricken" countries.

    Of course. If a human being enters a hospital and is sick, they should at least have their temperature taken. To let someone die on the floor and not even approach them kind of takes away the notion of care that doctors are supposedly trained and take an oath to give.

    But it is cute when it gets riled up.

    The answer to that is yes. A sick person entering a hospital for help or care does have an innate right to medical care. To refuse and to ignore that patient is a breach of their ethical obligation. It is also a breach of their hippocratic oath as well as the State law. In 2006 the State in California, commenced action against the Kaiser Foundation Hospitals for their practice of dumping homeless people on the street away from the hospital without giving them the care they needed.

    The same principle could apply to this woman's case.

    The patient was in an ambulance and receiving care from the paramedics. Had the patient been dying or in such a serious condition that death could be imminent, then the closest hospital would have an obligation to help them, even if their emergency room was full.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Nope, apparently not. They just radio the ambulance and say, "Sorry, we can't take any more emergency cases." Done ....the ambulance has to find another hospital emergency room.

    Baron Max
     
  19. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Baron:
    Too busy to treat the woman who was vomiting blood?

    Bells:
    Okay, but the Hippocratic oath also talks treating slaves, balancing humors and not performing abortions. How on earth can it be legally binding? Last I knew, we outlawed slavery, stopped leeching people and abortion is legal.
     
  20. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    But how do you know that all of the other patients were not in the same or worse shape ....and the doctors and nurses were all busy?

    See? Saying something, making blind accusations is one thing, but finding any substantiating evidence isn't so simple. At Parkland Hospital here in Dallas, people die in the emergency waiting rooms all the time ....and the doctors and nurses are busy as hell with other, important patients. Yet you'd have them stop treating some patients to help others??? And you know all of this ....how?

    Baron Max
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    The revised and modern version of oath:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html

    History of the oath:

    http://www.scienceweek.com/2004/sa040917-6.htm

    When a patient is in a hospital emergency waiting room and collapses on the floor or begins to vomit blood, it is fairly obvious to even the most stupid that this individual is in dire need of medical help. To then have doctors and nurses, trained to recognise such symptoms as being dire, then stand by and do nothing. Well it means they weren't doing their job properly now doesn't it?

    In an emergency room, doctors and nurses are meant to prioritise and the patients who are in more urgent need of treatment tend to be bumped up the list.
     
  22. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Are you making unsubstantiated accusations again?

    Maybe they did. You don't know, do you? And yet you keep making those accusations without a single thread of evidence. And I thought you were a lawyer????

    Baron Max
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    Lets see. She was in an emergency waiting room vomitting blood. She did not receive any care and she died. Speaks for itself doesn't it?

    It's what lawyers do.

    And refer to above to the rest in regards to the evidence currently at hand in this thread. I can't be bothered typing it out again.
     

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