"Ignorant" is the new "Stupid"...

Seattle said:
I don't generally answer with a Grok response . . . .
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Grok is an AI created by Elon Musk, who has a history of "seeding" his AI with misinformation that furthers his goals. You'd be better off listening to FOX News.
 
billvon said:
Nope. "Innuendo" is unsourced rumor and insinuation. We have Trump's own words that he peeped on underage girls and grabbed women by the pussy. That is not innuendo; they are his own words.

We have Trump's own words that he was attracted to ten year olds. That is not innuendo. That, again, is his own words.

We have testimony from women who were sexually abused by Trump when they were underage. That is not innuendo. That is testimony.

We have testimony from women who were peeped on by Trump when they were underage. Again, that is not innuendo. That is testimony.

We have a court judgment that Trump raped one woman. That is not innuendo; it is legal fact.

We have a dozen credible complaints about sexual assault by other women. That is not innuendo; it is their own words.

There is more evidence that Trump is a sex offender than there is that Kim Jong Un is a dictator.
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Rape is a criminal charge. Trump has no such convictions for rape in a criminal court. Grabbing a willing woman by the pussy isn't being a pedophile. Read the response from Grok and address the actual issues.
 
billvon said:
Grok is an AI created by Elon Musk, who has a history of "seeding" his AI with misinformation that furthers his goals. You'd be better off listening to FOX News.
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Ask the same question of Gemini, Copilot, ChatGPT, your choice. The primary source was NBC News. Also, point out where it is inaccurate. That would be the logical response.
 
Seattle said:
Rape is a criminal charge.
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No, rape is the act of forcibly penetrating a woman against her will. I am sure you would agree with that if you had a friend who was raped, even if the rapist was not convicted*. Even the judge in that case said that what Trump did met the definition of rape (i.e. forcible penetration against her will.)

(* - to be clear, I am glad that you do not. It is a horrible and painful experience even for friends and family of the victim.)
 
Seattle said:
Ask the same question of Gemini, Copilot, ChatGPT, your choice. The primary source was NBC News. Also, point out where it is inaccurate. That would be the logical response.
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I did. Gemini: "There are allegations and documented ties to Jeffrey Epstein that have fueled public suspicion . . . there has never been a criminal conviction or a court-validated finding of fact that supports the claim that Donald Trump is a pedophile."

Which is what I said. He is LIKELY a pedophile based on allegations, testimony and documentation. He is not a CONVICTED pedophile.
 
Seattle said:
The even larger problem is that of focusing on a President's characteristics rather than his policy.
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Depends on the characteristics. If the characteristic is compulsive lying, that's a problem for the republic and the world, don't ya think? Same for characteristics like inability to hold a train of thought, propensity for violating the Constitution while tasked with defending it, etc. At least engage in good faith and try to recognize that we're not airing grievances over bad hair or facial moles - this is about competence to hold high office and honor the public trust.
 
Seattle said:
It's old news. Either press charges or move on. Reality is that Trump is President and there are plenty of actual policies to discuss.
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So you don't think subverting the independence of the DOJ affects policy??
How about a Supreme Court which expands presidential immunity so that a president can avoid prosecution for felonies? No effect on policy?
 
TheVat said:
Depends on the characteristics. If the characteristic is compulsive lying, that's a problem for the republic and the world, don't ya think? Same for characteristics like inability to hold a train of thought, propensity for violating the Constitution while tasked with defending it, etc. At least engage in good faith and try to recognize that we're not airing grievances over bad hair or facial moles - this is about competence to hold high office and honor the public trust.
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Yet, he was elected. I didn't vote for him and I get the character flaws. Nothing is changing there, current policy is.
 
TheVat said:
So you don't think subverting the independence of the DOJ affects policy??
How about a Supreme Court which expands presidential immunity so that a president can avoid prosecution for felonies? No effect on policy?
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Discuss those...
 
Seattle said:
Discuss those...
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We do. Extensively. Were you in a coma while all these Trump critiques relating to his policies and official duties were going on? Indeed, I'd say very little posting here conforms to your Straw Man of shallow personal insults against him, and is mostly very much about what he does as POTUS and the problems arising from that.
 
TheVat said:
Depends on the characteristics. If the characteristic is compulsive lying, that's a problem for the republic and the world, don't ya think? Same for characteristics like inability to hold a train of thought, propensity for violating the Constitution while tasked with defending it, etc. At least engage in good faith and try to recognize that we're not airing grievances over bad hair or facial moles - this is about competence to hold high office and honor the public trust.
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And with regards to rape and child rape, character (and acts are abundantly evident in policy. An Iranian professor recently remarked that the Great Satan has shown a whole new generation of Iranians that, when they are not raping little girls, they are bombing them. The US bombed a girls' school in Tehran, killing nearly 200 kids, on the first day of the invasion. Evidence is mounting that it was not a "mistake" (and even if it were...), and the US and Israel have bombed dozens and dozens of schools and hospitals in the time since.

Both Trump's and Hegseth's rhetoric (and countless others, as well) make it abundantly clear that they are misogynists and they hold outright disdain and contempt for the Iranian people. Character informs policy. Period. Moreover, past behaviors and actions also inform policy.

Could provide countless examples here, but... already have, plenty of times--as have several other posters. One is not obliged to repeat oneself ad nauseum solely for the sake of the ignorant/stupid and/or severely memory-impaired.
 
Seattle said:
Yet, he was elected. I didn't vote for him and I get the character flaws. Nothing is changing there, current policy is.
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Total evasion. Hitler, Stalin, Orban, Duterte, Putin were all elected. So what? As my examples should indicate, the mere fact that one can con voters in no way validates anything that comes after inauguration. You seem to keep slithering away from the reality that "character flaws" can impact policy and kill people when one holds high office. You argue against looking at character in bad faith, to trivialize legitimate objections to Trump's continuing in office. Fooling no one.
 
TheVat said:
Total evasion. Hitler, Stalin, Orban, Duterte, Putin were all elected. So what? As my examples should indicate, the mere fact that one can con voters in no way validates anything that comes after inauguration. You seem to keep slithering away from the reality that "character flaws" can impact policy and kill people when one holds high office. You argue against looking at character in bad faith, to trivialize legitimate objections to Trump's continuing in office. Fooling no one.
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What would be the point in me "fooling" someone?
 
Seattle said:
What would be the point in me "fooling" someone?
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Is this a serious question? You don't know the "point" of disinformation campaigns and propaganda?

As for your own motivations, only you can answer that. We can speculate--and I have plenty of theories, but they're not pertinent here--but not really know the answer with much certainty.
 
parmalee said:
Is this a serious question? You don't know the "point" of disinformation campaigns and propaganda?

As for your own motivations, only you can answer that. We can speculate--and I have plenty of theories, but they're not pertinent here--but not really know the answer with much certainty.
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I'm not trying to "fool" anyone with a "disinformation campaign".
 
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