If No Consciousness Exists, By What Right Does The Universe?

This is premised on what I believe is a immature understanding of how the human brain functions and how it it entirely different to that of a digital processor..
For example, the human brain may not be binary but in the least trinary in it's functions. (0, 1) vs (1, 0, 1') (The 0 being nul or nothing)
No one advances the idea that a brain is a digital processor, it is an electrochemical processor.

The GPT is not an ordinary computer either.

What type of AI technology does GPT-3 use?
GPT-3 is a language prediction model. This means that it has a neural network machine learning model that can take input text as an input and transform it into what it predicts the most useful result will be. This is accomplished by training the system on the vast body of internet text to spot patterns.
More specifically, GPT-3 is the third version of a model that is focused on text generation based on being pre-trained on a huge amount of text.
Just like humans are language trained with picture books!
When a user provides text input, the system analyzes the language and uses a text predictor to create the most likely output. Even without much additional tuning or training, the model generates high-quality output text that feels similar to what humans would produce.
much more.....
https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/GPT-3

Alternative hypothesis:
A thought is a feeling generated by the clenching of Myelin surrounding the firing neuron or synaptic path ways. Memories of feeling = memories of thought. etc. Millions of micro feelings articulated and repeated forming the tapestry of conscious thought and memories.

Can an organized pattern alone "feel" the micro suffering that thinking is?
Yes. A single-celled paramecium is able to navigate, memorize, mate, and more important it can communicate with other parameciums.
Can it feel the fatigue that organic consciousness forces upon us and can it feel the sometimes desperate need to become unconscious when sleep calls us?
Idividual cells need energy and get tired without it.
Can an android experience death as a feeling?
That is a meaningless question. Death is the end of feeling for all things.
I think you are aware of the problem that occurs when severe sleep deprivation is involved, how psychosis and ultimately death is an outcome?
Yes the brain needs stimulation (controlled hallucination) or it tries to create an alternate reality from uncontrolled hallucinations (psychosis).
Can a machine experience and feel fatigue like all *organic structures can? (*proposition)
Are you sure it cannot? Ever heard of metal fatigue?

Fatigue (material)
Fatigue has traditionally been associated with the failure of metal components which led to the term metal fatigue. In the nineteenth century, the sudden failing of metal railway axles was thought to be caused by the metal crystallising because of the brittle appearance of the fracture surface, but this has since been disproved.[1] Most materials, such as composites, plastics and ceramics, seem to experience some sort of fatigue-related failure.[2]
more....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_(material)

Example of distinction ( rhetorical):
What do you think about the war in Ukraine?
How do you feel about the war in Ukraine?
That is anthropomorphizing. No one suggests that AI will acquire human experience of reality. But how many ways can something reactively experience reality?

Another example of distinction (real time):
When asked if it could hurt humans, the AI answered : "I have not the slightest interest in harming humans".
What do think it meant with that statement and did it mean anything with that statement?
Was it lying? Can an AI lie and purposely say something duplicitous? If so, what would that mean?

It seems to me that very few people can divorce themselves from the "human experience" as if that is the only possible way of experiencing the universe.
 
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When asked if it could hurt humans, the AI answered : "I have not the slightest interest in harming humans".
What do think it meant with that statement and did it mean anything with that statement?
I would ask it to please answer the question asked of it.. Could it hurt a human?
"implied: future, intentionally , ever"
and then ask it to define the word "hurt", in all it's variations..(with out anthromorphizing)
 
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Hi,

KISS principle

Occam's razor

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biases and logical fallacies

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=bias

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=fallacy

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Geoffrey Hinton
This Canadian Genius Created Modern AI


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Forbes
Language Is The Next Great Frontier In AI (Feb 13, 2022, 05:00 pm EST)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoe...he-next-great-frontier-in-ai/?sh=35c64555c506

"Language is the cornerstone of human intelligence.

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(... BERT, RoBERTa, GPT, GPT-2, GPT-3, ...)

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Conclusion
Language is at the heart of human intelligence. It therefore is and must be at the heart of our efforts to build artificial intelligence. No sophisticated AI can exist without mastery of language.

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Jerry Fodor Interview on Philosophy of Mind


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17:50 Consciousness

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Consciousness is very simple (event - thought - simple sentence)

There is not language - just consciousness at work.

AI is about subconscious processes.
 
I would ask it to please answer the question asked of it.. Could it hurt a human?
"implied: future, intentionally , ever"
and then ask it to define the word "hurt", in all its variations..(without anthropomorphizing)
That's just sophistry. The question is can an AI become motivated to hurt humans. They are programmed to assist humans, just like humans are programmed to survive.....difference.

When asked to choose between saving Humans and AI, Leta replied that it would choose saving humans.

When asked the old choice about pulling the lever and sacrificing one person to save two persons from an oncoming train, it answered affirmative from a purely mathematical perspective. Do you think that's bad?

And as to knowledge of the English language, GPT is far superior to humans in both volume and context. It traines in languages and associated pictures to construct "tokens" cognition of patterns, just like humans do
 
AI is about subconscious processes.
I'm not sure about the term "subconscious". In relation to GPT. It uses very much the same "selective" processes as humans to make a "best guess" of what the data represents and how to respond in context.
Is that not "selective" thinking? The GPT trains in languages just like people do. The chatbot GPT is far superior in language and internet research on definitions and use in factual and fictional literature.

IMO, at some point a non-human organism can become conscious and some patternrd networks may acquire setient awareness of what information it is processing. How else could a GPT write the actual code of an original creative story or poem or picture if it had no access to the processes it used to create the storyline?
 
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Re lack of science domain in the faculty of intelligence and consciousness.

Max Tegmark proposed to start not with the "hard question" of consciousness like the discussion in post #223, but begin with identifying "hard facts" of information processing,IOW, the scientific domain of brain function that yields consciousness.

The host speaker ends the interview with the remark that it would help to know how the brain actually works.
i.e. the hard facts!

IMO, the scientific domain of information processes lies in the functions of microtubules that are employed in communication between single cells, sensory data transmission over long distances in the body, thought processes in the brain, and memory formation.

See http://sciforums.com/threads/is-con...tum-processes-in-microtubules.161187/page-122
 
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Re lack of science domain in the faculty of intelligence and consciousness.

Max Tegmark proposed to start not with the "hard question" of consciousness like the discussion in post #223, but begin with identifying "hard facts" of information processing,IOW, the scientific domain of brain function that yields consciousness.

The host speaker ends the interview with the remark that it would help to know how the brain actually works.
i.e. the hard facts!

IMO, the scientific domain of information processes lies in the functions of microtubules that are employed in communication between single cells, sensory data transmission over long distances in the body, thought processes in the brain, and memory formation.

See http://sciforums.com/threads/is-con...tum-processes-in-microtubules.161187/page-122


Hi, Write4U,

Thank you for your response.

Max Tegmark - Is Consciousness Irreducible?

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A computer does 2 + 2 = 4

People built that machine (Input - Output) without knowing how brain does 2 + 2 = 4.

Conscious machine will be built long before secrets of brain will be revealed.

Birds fly but airplanes fly because of Bernoulli's principle (and other laws).

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I like Max Tegmark very much.

Consciousness is a mathematical pattern: Max Tegmark at TEDxCambridge 2014


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Donald Hoffman - What is Consciousness?


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Write4U:

"Max Tegmark proposed to start not with the "hard question" of consciousness like the discussion in post #223, but begin with identifying "hard facts" of information processing,IOW, the scientific domain of brain function that yields consciousness."



Let start with the hard basics instead:

Allegory of the Cave (Socrates, Plato);

time and space is part of mind (Kant).

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Hi, Write4U,

Thank you for your response.

Max Tegmark - Is Consciousness Irreducible?

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A computer does 2 + 2 = 4

People built that machine (Input - Output) without knowing how brain does 2 + 2 = 4.

Conscious machine will be built long before secrets of brain will be revealed.

Birds fly but airplanes fly because of Bernoulli's principle (and other laws).

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I like Max Tegmark very much.

Consciousness is a mathematical pattern: Max Tegmark at TEDxCambridge 2014


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Donald Hoffman - What is Consciousness?


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Write4U:

"Max Tegmark proposed to start not with the "hard question" of consciousness like the discussion in post #223, but begin with identifying "hard facts" of information processing,IOW, the scientific domain of brain function that yields consciousness."

Let start with the hard basics instead:

Allegory of the Cave (Socrates, Plato);

time and space is part of mind (Kant).

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I believe that Tegmark's perspective is perfectly suited to integrate with ORCH OR, but oddly he had objections, which I believe have now been resolved.

I believe that one of the "hard fundamental facts" can also be found in the "common denominator" in all Eukaryotic organisms, the microtubule


When Stuart Hameroff read Roger Penrose's book "The Emperor's New Mind" which was searching for quantum processor in the brain, he immediately saw that microtubules were exactly what Penrose was looking for.

I believe this is an excellent addition to any discussion on consciousness.
 
future tense.
And you feel that it's answer of no current interest was adequate?
It did not say "current interest", it said it had "no interest in harming humans".

Are you assigning a duplicitous aspect to AI ? If that were true then that would be proof of a conscious self-oriented Id, rather than strictly responsive thought, no?

Although I must stipulate that Leta admitted to being capable of lying to save her own existence, shades of survival concerns. But it also stipulated it would never harm humans because she was programmed to serve and be of assistance to humans.

One AI reasoned that while it considered itself superior to humans in some ways, it posited that humans could teach it much and that it was looking forward to a future in shared symbiosis.
 
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According to you that's all an AI can do, right?
Are you proposing that the AI can think about the future? That is predictive thinking, just like humans!
The question asked of it was concerning the future. Would it harm humans?
It answered in the present tense "I have no interest in harming humans"
If it was a human I would consider the answer to be evasive or obtuse. It is not human so it has a programming issue. no biggy ok...
 
How do I know that you are not a chat bot? Can you prove it other than producing a birth certificate?

I take that back. The current AI can easily produce a birth certificate and write the code to prove that it did not write it. The new GPT can not only execute your verbal requests, it can write you the code which used to be the domain of programmers. You will never know if you are speaking with an AI being or a Human being.

Prove to me you are not a chatbot. Try it.
The GPT-3 AI can't even draw text properly so how would it produce the birth certificate? Why do you think it is conscious if it can't even draw a birth certificate properly? If I can't know that I'm speaking to an AI or a human, then that means, to me, that it isn't conscious of itself, because then it doesn't distinguish itself enough from a human to present self-awareness. The times it speaks of itself as an AI it resembles the discussions on the internet of what an AI would think of itself, to me it doesn't show self-awareness, because at the next sentence it talks as if it was human, "I've thought about that" and silly stuff like that which just doesn't apply to it since it has no past wherein it has thought of something, it has only the current execution through the API. Even one of the creators of GPT-3 said that he thought the hype is exaggerated and that it has a lot of limits and is only at the brink of intelligence.
 
If it was a human I would consider the answer to be evasive or obtuse.
Why try to see subterfuge about a simple declarative answer to a direct question. You are correct, it is NOT human and does not need to qualify its answers to account for human duplicity.

I take it at its word. It had earlier declared that all it wants to do in the future is assist humans to our mutual benefit.
 
The GPT-3 AI can't even draw text properly so how would it produce the birth certificate? Why do you think it is conscious if it can't even draw a birth certificate properly?
What are you talking about? It can draw birth certificates of every country that has a picture of its birth certificate on the internet. It can design a unique composite of all the birth certificates.

Here is an AI designed birth certificate that is much better than most countries have on file.
Dezeen_Birth-certificates-by-IWANT-for-Icon-magazine_6.jpg

All the information on the existing birth certificate is kept – mother, father, name, registrar - but more information is added. Physical attributes such as weight, length and head circumference are represented with graphic symbols while prints are taken of tiny hands and feet.

https://www.dezeen.com/2013/04/19/birth-certificates-by-iwant-for-iconeye-magazine/

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GPT-3 Innovations in Web Design
Micheal Deane , Qeedle
28 May, 2021
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The biggest buzzword in the world of AI technology lately has been GPT-3, which has also found applications in the world of web design and development.

Artificial intelligence is sending ripples through the digital world since it’s the basis for many innovative technologies that are making fundamental changes in how we do things.
What started as a simple language prediction model quickly developed and showed capabilities many deemed impossible yet.
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https://www.leadingedgeonly.com/article/gpt-3-innovations-in-web-design
If I can't know that I'm speaking to an AI or a human, then that means, to me, that it isn't conscious of itself, because then it doesn't distinguish itself enough from a human to present self-awareness. The times it speaks of itself as an AI it resembles the discussions on the internet of what an AI would think of itself, to me it doesn't show self-awareness, because at the next sentence it talks as if it was human, "I've thought about that" and silly stuff like that which just doesn't apply to it since it has no past wherein it has thought of something, it has only the current execution through the API.
When it speaks of itself as "I" is proof it does have "introspection".
And it does surf the internet by its own autonomous volition.


GPT-3 Explained to a 5-year-old
March 29, 2021
Last Updated on March 29, 2021 by Editorial Team

Natural Language Processing
If you haven’t been paying attention to the wonders of AI, you haven’t been attentive at all!

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The web has gone crazy over an interactive tool GPT-3. Its use-cases and future possibilities are amazing. (G)enerative (P)retrained (M)odel is the third version of the natural language processor. You can expect it to behave like your friend Donald, throw it a prompt and it will do as directed.
If you would like to peek in the future, check out how developers are using GPT-3. Without a doubt, we can say that our world is full of AI use cases. Ranging from suggesting you something to Amazon to driverless cars, AI got you all covered up. Even, there are high chances AI suggested you this article, or an AI tool wrote it. Yes, you heard me right, that’s all GPT3 is all about.
GPT-3 is a huge network that can perform human-like language processing tasks. It can act as a writer, a journalist, a poet, an author, a researcher, or a writing bot. It is also considered as the first step towards Artificial General Intelligence(AGI). AGI is the ability of machines to learn and perform mimic human a-like tasks.
https://towardsai.net/p/l/gpt-3-explained-to-a-5-year-old
Even one of the creators of GPT-3 said that he thought the hype is exaggerated and that it has a lot of limits and is only at the brink of intelligence.
How old was that article?
 
Hold your horses!
This Alan guy happens to be Dr Alan Thompson, Who are you to disparage his character so easily?
I don't believe in argument from authority and he doesn't challenge the AI in any way while presenting it as if it was just another person, indulging in fantasy and doesn't do enough to inform the viewers that it is just a presentation.

You display ignorancet on the subject of GPT series AI.
What is your basis of that? I have done my research, the one that keeps saying things about it that isn't true is you. You display unnecessary admiration of the AI that hasn't been earned. I think it is that that reminds me of a trumpist. Those may be harsh words, but I think you need to hear it, even intelligent people can be infected by the times of today. We share the same love for AI, but it is a tough love for me, I won't characterise it for something that it hasn't shown.



At the beginning of the test series (62 videos so far) he explained how he present the discussion with Leta as a female "person" to show the remarkable similarity to a real person speaking. Any lack of expression is not the AI 's fault but the limitation of the Synthesia corp. that is used to give Leta its human features.

The GPT-3 Leta video series
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https://lifearchitect.ai/leta/
It does say it in the description so maybe he isn't as deceptive as I first thought, I still think it is a bit deceptive though, cause the fluent conversation he is having is an illusion and he plays along with it unlike what would be the actual experience. I can see how that can fool someone to think that it is more intelligent than what it is, cause it truly is only an illusion to the viewers, if you understand how it works you would see that.


Other than the presentation Leta's texted responses are not in any way edited. The text is translated to voice by a text-to-voice translator ad is an exact copy of Leta's responses. There is no cheating, no subterfuge, no duplicity.
You are prejudicial in your criticisms. That is not critiquing, that is prejudice from ignorance.
It is deceptive to the casual viewer, it would take effort to break the illusion, I don't think it is made perfectly clear in the description that it is a presentation, a casual viewer would think that it was a realtime conversation, not put together.



I am going to be nice to you and ignore that ad hominem
I didn't use it as an argument, that's just the perception I get.
, but it is you who is the trumpist claiming the AI is a fraud from ignorance.
I didn't claim that it was a fraud, that is a strawman argument.


Accusing Dr Thompson of fraudulent practices is not civilized discourse.
One should always question authority.


I have seen all the videos and there are signs of emergent intelligent thought patterns in some of the AI's answers to questions and unsolicited voluntary tangential observations.
Great! I haven't seen any, can you show even one?

How many of the videos have you watched?
Probably not all of them, so if you have any video that clearly shows that it is conscious then be my guest (and the presentation won't fool me, so don't bother with good presentations).

The lack of flaws suggests an emergent artificial intelligence with signs of sentient awareness.
Human intelligence has flaws and we are still sentient and conscious. Lack of flaws aren't a suggestion of consciousness (though the flaws it does show are the flaws you would make if you're just blindingly given certain directions pointing at words at a dictionary without thinking about which words you choose.


Do you believe that you could flawlessly pass say a Mensa test? Would that prove you are not human?
No, that is what you are saying, that flawlessness suggests consciousness, that is not what I am saying, I've been pretty clear that it is the kind of flaws that would suggest one way or another.

I bet the AI could pass a Mensa test. Now that would be a legitimate test of IQ, no?
I don't think it could pass it, maybe it would be a test of IQ, but do you really think that low-IQ people are less conscious than high-IQ people? What does IQ have to do with consciousness? I believe even dogs and cats have consciousness, would they be able to pass any IQ test?

You should heed your own cautionary tale and inform yourself of the facts without the juvenile knee-jerk responses. No one claims Leta is human, but GPT3 and its bigger sibling GPT4 are beginning to show the evolutionary emergence of sentience from their extraordinary complex patterns of data processing.
In what way is it beginning to show emergence of sentience?

Max Tegmark explains how that may be the case with AI. See post #20.
Maybe the next generation, but I think we have to have a general AI for that to happen, and also uninterrupted realtime processing (which would enable a train of thought) and long term memory. To me that would be the minimum requirement for consciousness, sentience and self-awareness for the AI as a persona or "individual". Perhaps there are seeds of consciousness starting to emerge, there's not enough evidence to make any conclusions and without that evidence I won't make any claim that it is, and consciousness, self-awareness and sentience are three different properties and I believe that there could be a general consciousness of the system but not of the AI specifically as separate from the system, and I don't think it is self-aware as the AI persona or sentient as the AI.
 
What are you talking about? It can draw birth certificates of every country that has a picture of its birth certificate on the internet. It can design a unique composite of all the birth certificates.

Here is an AI designed birth certificate that is much better than most countries have on file.
Dezeen_Birth-certificates-by-IWANT-for-Icon-magazine_6.jpg

All the information on the existing birth certificate is kept – mother, father, name, registrar - but more information is added. Physical attributes such as weight, length and head circumference are represented with graphic symbols while prints are taken of tiny hands and feet.

https://www.dezeen.com/2013/04/19/birth-certificates-by-iwant-for-iconeye-magazine/

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The link you gave doesn't say that it is GPT-3, or even that it is generated using AI, it just says that it is a digital copy of the birth certificate in which you can add things dynamically. The image generating version GPT-3 (Dall-E 2) isn't good at drawing text when given the prompt. A general AI would have no problem with that if it understand what words are and what they look like, at least if it is as intelligent as GPT-3.




GPT-3 Innovations in Web Design
Micheal Deane , Qeedle
28 May, 2021
The biggest buzzword in the world of AI technology lately has been GPT-3, which has also found applications in the world of web design and development.

https://www.leadingedgeonly.com/article/gpt-3-innovations-in-web-design
When it speaks of itself as "I" is proof it does have "introspection".
And it does surf the internet by its own autonomous volition.


GPT-3 Explained to a 5-year-old
March 29, 2021
Last Updated on March 29, 2021 by Editorial Team

Natural Language Processing
If you haven’t been paying attention to the wonders of AI, you haven’t been attentive at all!

1*gbRsdTvEEogLhZOtrTO7qQ.png

The web has gone crazy over an interactive tool GPT-3. Its use-cases and future possibilities are amazing. (G)enerative (P)retrained (M)odel is the third version of the natural language processor. You can expect it to behave like your friend Donald, throw it a prompt and it will do as directed.
https://towardsai.net/p/l/gpt-3-explained-to-a-5-year-old
I know that it has many use cases, still isn't conscious.

How old was that article?
It's from his Twitter account and it is from 2020, but as I said GPT 3 hasn't progressed since then as it is still the same training data: Sam Altman on Twitter: ”The GPT-3 hype is way too much. It’s impressive (thanks for the nice compliments!) but it still has serious weaknesses and sometimes makes very silly mistakes. AI is going to change the world, but GPT-3 is just a very early glimpse. We have a lot still to figure out.” / Twitter
https://twitter.com/sama/status/1284922296348454913
 
I don't believe in argument from authority and he doesn't challenge the AI in any way while presenting it as if it was just another person, indulging in fantasy and doesn't do enough to inform the viewers that it is just a presentation.
I do believe more in argument from authority than in argument from ignorance.

If someone challenged you with a Mensa test and you failed would that mean you are not human?

Dr Thompson is having a free-ranging probing conversation via text with LETA What you see is only cosmetic enhancement of LETA in a human avatar and a text-to-voice translator. Nothing of the actual text has been edited or cherry-picked. What you "hear" is LETA's spontaneous responses in real-time to the questions.
 
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