ICE agents murder bystanders in Minneapolis

Comparatively, it really is hard to believe pretenses of ignorance failing to recognize that DHS snatchers are either public employees or felons for pretending. Nobody pretending basic comprehension of a free society should, at this point, be utterly ignorant about transparency. Just for instance.
Even if we accept this pretense of ignorance as legit, for the sake of argument, say, there's always context and supplemental information from which one can proceed:

Pretty sure he means that he does not encourage people to use the (quite legal) list of ICE agents to do anything illegal. Like asking people to not use a public list of banks to decide which ones to rob.
That said, the ICE list site has clear guidelines on whom not to dox (also, it's not really doxxing: we are their bosses and we pay them, they have absolutely no right to anonymity), and I think even were, say, a nurse's or childcare worker's name to accidentally make it onto that list, no sane reasonable person harbors any ire towards them anyway.
I certainly don't see why any public official should expect anonymity. Police officers have a number so they can be identified, after all. The fact these guys wear masks strikes me as extremely sinister. It is probably intentional, to instil fear into the population.
etc. And even if that is, for who knows what possible reasons, deemed insufficient, there's always Google:
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Last week, a website called ICE List went viral after its creators said that they had received what they described as a leak of personal information about nearly 4,500 Department of Homeland Security employees. However, a WIRED analysis of the site found that the database relies heavily on information that apparent DHS employees have posted publicly online themselves. This comes at a time when DHS has characterized reporting on or publicizing the identity of ICE officers as “doxing” and has threatened to prosecute perceived offenders to the fullest extent of the law.
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Dominick Skinner, the owner of ICE List, says he does not believe that what ICE List does is doxing. ICE List doesn’t post the home addresses of identified agents, and says on its About page that “false submissions, harassment, or attempts to misuse the platform will be removed.”

“If this were doxing, then we dox ourselves by simply being present in online environments,” Skinner says, “which is just rather ridiculous.”
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(Emphasis added.)

So, yeah, just not buying it.
 
Even if we accept this pretense of ignorance as legit, for the sake of argument, say, there's always context and supplemental information from which one can proceed:




etc. And even if that is, for who knows what possible reasons, deemed insufficient, there's always Google:
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Last week, a website called ICE List went viral after its creators said that they had received what they described as a leak of personal information about nearly 4,500 Department of Homeland Security employees. However, a WIRED analysis of the site found that the database relies heavily on information that apparent DHS employees have posted publicly online themselves. This comes at a time when DHS has characterized reporting on or publicizing the identity of ICE officers as “doxing” and has threatened to prosecute perceived offenders to the fullest extent of the law.
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Dominick Skinner, the owner of ICE List, says he does not believe that what ICE List does is doxing. ICE List doesn’t post the home addresses of identified agents, and says on its About page that “false submissions, harassment, or attempts to misuse the platform will be removed.”

“If this were doxing, then we dox ourselves by simply being present in online environments,” Skinner says, “which is just rather ridiculous.”
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(Emphasis added.)

So, yeah, just not buying it.
Yes I agree. Given the practice with law enforcement officers (police, customs officers etc) where an identity badge is mandatory for the protection of the citizens, I can't see how having anonymous people enforcing immigration law can be lawful. Or do they perhaps have a number on their uniform, as opposed to a name? That would at least in principle enable identification in the event of complaints about their conduct.
 
Yes I agree. Given the practice with law enforcement officers (police, customs officers etc) where an identity badge is mandatory for the protection of the citizens, I can't see how having anonymous people enforcing immigration law can be lawful. Or do they perhaps have a number on their uniform, as opposed to a name? That would at least in principle enable identification in the event of complaints about their conduct.
I don't know about CBP, but ICE agents do not even present any sort of identifying numbers. It is beyond absurd! And there have already been multiple instaces wherein people disguise themselves as ICE in order to commit crimes, including at least one instance of rape.
 
I don't know about CBP, but ICE agents do not even present any sort of identifying numbers. It is beyond absurd! And there have already been multiple instaces wherein people disguise themselves as ICE in order to commit crimes, including at least one instance of rape.
We have this in the UK but only for very serious operations where the identity of a soldier or officer could comprise his or his teams safety.
Armed response units or if they are working with special forces which as I said, is very rare on UK soil.

This isn't that.
 
As I understand it, in the United States the illegality of internet pages is not decided by the feels of "believability". Rather, it is decided by the laws of the United States.
Agreed. And it is not illegal to repost publicly available information.

This came to prominence when someone (Jack Sweeney) started posting the location of Elon Musk's jet on Twitter. He got this from publicly available ADS-B information. You can get this yourself by going to websites like FlightAware. You can even get it by buying an ADS-B receiver and putting it on your roof, to get the primary data.

Once Musk bought Twitter he banned that user. A lawsuit determined that it was legal to repost publicly available information. Sweeney agreed to a 24 hour delay so Musk would allow him back on Twitter.
 
Agreed. And it is not illegal to repost publicly available information.

This came to prominence when someone (Jack Sweeney) started posting the location of Elon Musk's jet on Twitter. He got this from publicly available ADS-B information. You can get this yourself by going to websites like FlightAware. You can even get it by buying an ADS-B receiver and putting it on your roof, to get the primary data.

Once Musk bought Twitter he banned that user. A lawsuit determined that it was legal to repost publicly available information. Sweeney agreed to a 24 hour delay so Musk would allow him back on Twitter.
Conversely, DHS are claiming, falsely and without evidence, that posting such information is somehow "illegal", just as they are claiming that persons filming their activities are "domestic terrorists". On the scale of absurdity, these claims are only slightly less absurd than their claims that Renee Good and Alex Pretti were assaulting--or intending to assault--them.
 
Imagine That

Conversely, DHS are claiming, falsely and without evidence, that posting such information is somehow "illegal", just as they are claiming that persons filming their activities are "domestic terrorists".

Chris Hayes↱ observes↱:

It's not quite the most pressing issue at the moment, but the American people absolutely have a right to know the names of the federal officials who shot and killed a man peacefully protesting, who was on his knees, prone in the street when they shot him in the back.

And I genuinely, truly and non-trollingly, understand concerns about threats to officers in question, but in every single other law enforcement shooting I've covered, authorities name the individual(s) involved. This is just the baseline of public accountability.

It takes a special kind of stupid to fall for the rightist shitline on this one, even more so to push it; we're talking about the public record, i.e., the record of the acts of the public trust.

The thing about threats to officers is akin to a lesser-known aspect of American criminal jurisprudence: When prosecutors secure an indictment, the Court presumes the defendant guilty. It's both a logical result of the presumption of regularity and the necessity of not having to adjudicate every last splitting of the hair compared to the humidity last Friday.

Threats, disapprobation, and even outright damnation of law enforcement officers by name are all part of the duty borne by the public trust, and pretty much everyone who has ever been through the system has something to say about law enforcers. The idea that these law enforcers need special protection tells us something, up front, about what they're doing.

And maybe if you're Phucker McPhuckphace, from Arshelphuck, Nowhere, USA, just checking in for the first time, maybe I can pretend to believe absolute ignorance about the necesity of public access in the social contract of the public trust. To the other, it's still something of an ask to believe that the well informed among, say, Crownlanders, don't have at least some grasp of this basic principle.¹ Again↑: Nobody pretending basic comprehension of a free society should, at this point, be utterly ignorant about transparency. Just for instance.
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Notes:

¹ Pay no mind to the war we fought against the Crownlanders about such principles; that was a long time ago, has nothing to do with people today, who weren't even alive back then.​

 
Imagine That



Chris Hayes↱ observes↱:

It's not quite the most pressing issue at the moment, but the American people absolutely have a right to know the names of the federal officials who shot and killed a man peacefully protesting, who was on his knees, prone in the street when they shot him in the back.
And I genuinely, truly and non-trollingly, understand concerns about threats to officers in question, but in every single other law enforcement shooting I've covered, authorities name the individual(s) involved. This is just the baseline of public accountability.
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Threats, disapprobation, and even outright damnation of law enforcement officers by name are all part of the duty borne by the public trust, and pretty much everyone who has ever been through the system has something to say about law enforcers. The idea that these law enforcers need special protection tells us something, up front, about what they're doing.
Hayes left out a critical detail: Pretti was also blinded by pepper spray.

The Iranian photographer, Jahangir Razmi--who anonymously won the Pulitzer Prize in 1979 for his photo of the revolutionary government executing 11 blindfolded Iranian Kurds--had to remain anonymous for over a quarter century. The execution of Alex Pretti was no "mishap"--it was a fucking execution--and in the real world it's not the ICE agents who need to fear threats, or worse, if their identities are revealed, it's the documentarians whom the fascists have branded "domestic terrorists".

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First the One, Then the Other

First, Maddy Varner↱ for Wired, where the headline points out, "ICE Agents are 'Doxing' Themselves":

Last week, a website called ICE List went viral after its creators said that they had received what they described as a leak of personal information about nearly 4,500 Department of Homeland Security employees. However, a WIRED analysis of the site found that the database relies heavily on information that apparent DHS employees have posted publicly online themselves. This comes at a time when DHS has characterized reporting on or publicizing the identity of ICE officers as "doxing" and has threatened to prosecute perceived offenders to the fullest extent of the law ....

.... Dominick Skinner, the owner of ICE List, says he does not believe that what ICE List does is doxing. ICE List doesn't post the home addresses of identified agents, and says on its About page that "false submissions, harassment, or attempts to misuse the platform will be removed."

"If this were doxing, then we dox ourselves by simply being present in online environments," Skinner says, "which is just rather ridiculous."

WIRED reviewed individuals' pages that were included in the "Agents" category on ICE List as of January 22. Of the 1,580 pages, nearly 90 percent mention LinkedIn as a source of information ....

Then the update, when Wired colleague David Gilbert↱ reports:

Meta has started blocking its users from sharing links to ICE List, a website that has compiled the names of what it claims are Department of Homeland Security employees, a project the creators say is designed to hold those employees accountable.

Dominick Skinner, the creator of ICE List, tells WIRED that links to the website have been shared without issue on Meta's platforms for more than six months.

"I think it's no surprise that a company run by a man who sat behind Trump at his inauguration, and donated to the destruction of the White House, has taken a stance that helps ICE agents retain anonymity," says Skinner ....

.... On Tuesday morning, WIRED verified that posting links to the site was blocked on Instagram, Facebook, and Threads. WIRED also confirmed that links can still be sent on WhatsApp, another Meta-owned product ....

.... When WIRED attempted to post a link on Facebook, we received a message that read: "Posts that look like spam according to our Community Guidelines are blocked on Facebook and can't be edited." Hours later, however, that message was updated to read: "Your content couldn't be shared, because this link goes against our Community Standards." The message linked to Meta's Community Standards homepage rather than a specific part of those rules.

Meanwhile on Threads, the link instantly disappeared when pasted into a new post, with a notice simply saying: "Link not allowed."

On Instagram, a notice appearing after an attempt to post a Story read: "We restrict certain activity to protect our community. Let us know if you think we made a mistake."

When asked about the block, Meta spokesperson Andy Stone directed WIRED to the company's policy about sharing personally identifiable information. When WIRED pointed out that the information on the ICE List did not appear to contain any of the information listed on Meta's policy, he said it was in relation to the policy prohibiting "content asking for personally identifiable information of others."

And it's also true that many would-be free speech advocates in the software industry simply mean their own personal definitions. In this case, in the name of free speech, Meta chooses to restrict public information as if it was private, because that's where the bosses see business opportunity.

And that's how it frequently goes among techlords, wannabes, and alsorans: There is something they need to protect for the sake of free speech, even if it means they must forbid and silence criticism of that thing. Kind of like you're not supposed to call it racism or misogyny or supremacism, &c. Or the line from Beauchamp↗ on cancel culture: "Abstract appeals to 'free speech' … obscure the fact that what's being debated is not anyone's right to speech, but rather their right to air that speech in specific platforms … without fear of social backlash."

And it's amazing what backlash people are afraid of. Mere scrutiny, for instance.

Meanwhile, it seems impractical for Meta to lock down that kind of public discourse as a general rule; we can probably expect this censorship is as political and one-sided as it looks.
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Notes:

Gilbert, David. "Meta Is Blocking Links to ICE List on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads". Wired. 27 January 2026. Wired.com. 28 January 2026. https://www.wired.com/story/meta-is-blocking-links-to-ice-list-on-facebook-instagram-and-threads/

Varner, Maddy. "ICE Agents Are 'Doxing' Themselves". Wired. 22 January 2026. Wired.com. 28 January 2026. https://www.wired.com/story/ice-agents-are-doxing-themselves/
 
When asked about the block, Meta spokesperson Andy Stone directed WIRED to the company's policy about sharing personally identifiable information. When WIRED pointed out that the information on the ICE List did not appear to contain any of the information listed on Meta's policy, he said it was in relation to the policy prohibiting "content asking for personally identifiable information of others."
Soooo... I guess they're also banning any and all links to Wikipedia, IMDb, Discogs, et al, as well as Associated Press, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, et al, and I guess also Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, et al? But probably not Fox, CBS, or Twitter (or "R" or whatever the fuck that imbecilic Nazi fuck whose articulation is second only to Tom Homan is calling it now).
 
Not only does ICE think they can enter homes without judicial warrants they have tried to enter the Ecuadorian consulate.
Time for remedial education.
 
Not only does ICE think they can enter homes without judicial warrants they have tried to enter the Ecuadorian consulate.
Time for remedial education.
What do they say about wars abroad being geography lessons for American citizens?
 
Ambrose Bierce, from his Devil's Dictionary. That's one of my favorites.

Meanwhile, Adam Serwer writes brilliantly about the real Minnesota. The one I know and love.

 
Minnesota Envy

Adam Serwer↱ makes the point—

The secret fear of the morally depraved is that virtue is actually common, and that they're the ones who are alone. In Minnesota, all of the ideological cornerstones of MAGA have been proved false at once. Minnesotans, not the armed thugs of ICE and the Border Patrol, are brave. Minnesotans have shown that their community is socially cohesive—because of its diversity and not in spite of it. Minnesotans have found and loved one another in a world atomized by social media, where empty men have tried to fill their lonely soul with lies about their own inherent superiority. Minnesotans have preserved everything worthwhile about "Western civilization," while armed brutes try to tear it down by force.

—but it's easy enough for people to miss part of what it tells us if they aren't aware, or don't pay close attention, to the white supremacist advocacy of Western civilization, or discount conservative chatter about various nonwhites being incompatible with Western culture and civilization.

†​

Comparatively, it's like a social media trend in recent years where Western-culture advocacy art-bots post photos of cathedrals, sculptures, paintings, and even whole towns. It's true that we don't necessarily build things like that, anymore, but it's because of Western values that we don't. Then again, part of that joke requires being aware of a "maga socialism" joke, including the fact of disability payments that we don't begrudge even if the magagaga do. I'm just sayin', streets too narrow for cars, half of everything is uphill, and if we think our HOA is annoying, well, sure it's pretty as a picture, but that's as much as the artbots and their programmers understand.

In the larger context, though, consider a couple contrasting possibilities; this Occidentalism:

• … actually admires the imperial and military power of Western history's conquerers and even villains.

• … didn't think things through while dazzled.​

The one, while distilled, is actually not uncommon; Western discourse includes occasional excuse-making for villainy according to its scale. And, sure, go ahead and say you don't know what that means, but just remember it the next time you hear someone talking about Hitler's accomplishments.

The other, while it might account for a lot of ridiculous behavior along the way, is still hard to project according to scale. It's one thing if someone dug in too deep without thinking it through before telling off some opponent, rival, or disputing colleague, but the idea that it escalates to pogrom really ought to be ridiculous.

†​

Minnesota is not unique in these aspects of its character, but neither is this how things would go pretty much anywhere else. But the reason we see it in Minnesota right now is simply that the American pogrom demands. It is one thing to take the moment to recognize these extraordinary and shining attributes, but one need not be Minnesotan to know they would rather not need to show right now. The low-key version ought to be well enough.

They will do the job, and even sacrifice, but it's up to everyone else to explain why they should have to.

Like how the whole anti-Somali argument fell through, and a maga man upset that it didn't deport more Somalis attacked a member of Congress. There are a couple of funny stories about all that, except, given the general result in Minnesota, it's just not funny.¹

Because there is also this: It's not just a secret fear; it's a jealousy.
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Notes:

¹ e.g., a Star-Tribune headline↱, "Key source says story that prompted Trump tirade against Somalis is erroneous"; also a rightist podcaster reacting to another podcaster interviewing a controversial agitator-journalist whose work in Minnesota ignited significant anti-Somali sentiment and press, and it turns out not only is the journalist controversial in his practices, the dustup about "the word 'belevonent'" is extraordinarily stupid.​

Serwer, Adam. "Minnesota Proved MAGA Wrong". The Atlantic. 26 January 206. TheAtlantic.com. 29 January 2026. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/01/the-neighbors-defending-minnesota-from-ice/685769/

Winter, Deena. "Key source says story that prompted Trump tirade against Somalis is erroneous". The Minnesota Star-Tribune. 29 December 2025. StarTribune.com. 29 January 2026. https://www.startribune.com/city-journal-fraud-story-seattle-detective/601537870
 
Ambrose Bierce, from his Devil's Dictionary. That's one of my favorites.

Meanwhile, Adam Serwer writes brilliantly about the real Minnesota. The one I know and love.

Minnesota has some real nice places. The only time I was there I caught two fish in one of the lakes. The only fish I ever caught.
 
Fucking Worthless Piece of Shit, aka Chuck Schumer, reaches deal to continue funding ICE:
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Senators have reached a deal to advance a major package of spending bills to avert a partial government shutdown that was to begin on Saturday.

The office of Chuck Schumer, the Senate’s top Democrat, confirmed the deal calls for splitting a funding bill for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) from a package of other funding bills, and that it would fund DHS for two weeks at its current levels.

If implemented successfully, the deal would avert a partial shutdown that would have affected many of the government’s functions. However, it would not stop a temporary lapse in funding for DHS, because any changes to the DHS funding bill would have to be approved by the House of Representatives, which is out of session until Monday. The impact of such a lapse was not immediately clear. ...
  • What is Schumer’s strategy? The intention is to buy time for further talks over Democrats’ demands for changes to immigration enforcement after the deaths of Alex Pretti and Renee Good in Minneapolis, which include an end to mask-wearing by federal agents, the imposition of a code of conduct and independent investigations of its violations. On Wednesday, he announced that Democrats had united on a “set of commonsense and necessary policy goals that we need to rein in ICE and end the violence”.
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(Emphasis added.)

Yeah, you "rein in ICE and end the violence" by not funding ICE. Fucking imbecile.
 
New Joke City

Author and columnist John Ganz↱ reminds, "The Nazis complained about the exact same thing about the 'Aryan' Danes and Norwegians", but one thing that is probably hard to understand from afar is the significance of Zack Beauchamp's↱ observation that "Chris Rufo is so upset about the Minneapolis protests that he is resorting to anti-Nordic racism".

What explains why endemic disorder seems to plague Minneapolis? My pet theory is that if you look at the history of Minneapolis and compare it to the histories of other American cities that have similarly become hotbeds of left-wing radicalism and anarchy—say, Seattle—there are real commonalities. Both cities have a long history of powerful organized labor movements, factions of communist sympathizers, and a tradition of industrial-frontier progressivism. Each city also has a high density of Scandinavians. There’s something about Scandinavian transplant cultures that simultaneously brings an over-empathizing element—bring in as many Somalis as you can, don’t ask any rude questions about what they might be up to—and also a more militant, socialistic, progressive, and activist element.

(qtd. in Beauchamp)

It comes to this. Norwegian jokes.

Once upon a time, Norewegian jokes were regarded as some sort of good-natured ethnic humor; kind of like Polish jokes accentuating stupidity, the metajoke is that around our region, Norwegian-Americans tell the best Norwegian jokes.

Never mind. Chris Rufo is most assuredly not good-natured, and certainly does not operate in good faith. But, yes, the danger of "Scandanavian transplant cultures", that's what it comes to.

And, yes, American rightists been like this for a long, long time. Since before Trump. And we tolerate it as a society, have even made excuses for it, much in the same way we tolerate sexual abuse. Like that notorious Trump statement about Epstein liking women on the younger side; Megyn Kelly wasn't entirely wrong to invoke the idea of "barely legal"; the difference is that was how we said it in order to not say he's getting on kids. Similarly, the soft-talked racism was always about racism; it wasn't some whoopsie, or some liberal's overactive imagination. That is, yes, they really were about the supremacism and conspiracism; the racism, misogyny, and whatever crazy conspiracy theory could bring them that rush of empowerment. And this is why a bunch of middle-road excuse-makers suddenly don't remember their own history; if you were the one saying dumb things about not calling it racism just because it disagrees, the question remains whether you've figured it out, yet. It was called racism because it was racist.

And now we're down to unsatisfactory white people.

It's why the question of "Anglo-American heritage"↗ is important to conservatives. To recall 2018↗:

I come from a region shot through with white supremacism and nationalism, and one of the reasons people don't bother with terms like "Anglo-American", for instance, is that if you live in Seattle, for instance, you live in a place where the Norwegian-American heritage is so thick that not only do we lead with Norwegian jokes instead of disparaging the Polish, successive Kings of Norway have turned up to hang out in Ballard, of all places. Anglo-American? Ya, sure, you betcha ... and?

The only reason a friend of mine ever gave a damn that she was Franco-American was that her birthday, by coincidence, is also Bastille Day, so nobody in her family ever lets her forget.

Anglo-American becomes important in a societal condition Americans presently prefer to consider yesteryear. Then again, when Irish-Americans, pale Italian-Americans, and light-skinned Jews all failed to be white enough, people are being pretty specific. We Americans have been through this, over and over, in our history.

And, here we go again.

(If we somehow couldn't see this coming, then, sure, we might have a few words for the people who gave it cover. The people who told us to look away are also the people who tell us they couldn't have seen it coming.)

(So, again: We called it racist because it was racist. We called it misogynist because it was misogynist. If the best you could do was wag about not calling something supremacist just because it disagrees, then you were kind of telling on yourself.)​

 
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Plainspeak

Journalist Adam Klasfeld↱ explains:

Let's speak plainly.

In legitimate criminal cases, political appointees don't have to first hollow out U.S. Attorney offices of objecting career prosecutors with integrity; federal judges don't kill the cases at the cradle, and the government doesn't fight tooth and nail to revive them.

This happened THREE times with Trump's DOJ to date.

NONE of the criminal cases against Trump featured those antics.

Two points, vis à vis inevitable confusion: First, it's not really a political description; those three criteria are happening, generally, and in the moment, they're happening in Minnesota. Second, his point is the basic comparison: It's true, cases against Trump did not look like this.

 
Update: That Lovely New-To-You Smell
in re "New Joke City"↱


John Ganz↱ adds to his commentary about Nazis and Norwegians, recalling "a Foreign Affairs article in 1937 on Scandinavian imperviousness to Nazi ideology despite the Nazi fetishization". So, yeah, Rufo on "Scandinavian transplant cultures" ca. 2026 is not exactly new.

There is a particularly subtle lesson in Joachim Joesten's reflection from eighty-nine years ago:

Politically, Scandinavia responded to the challenge of Hitlerism by voting Labor every year more massively … Thanks to Herr Hitler, Labor now stands as the dominating factor in all the four Nordic countries, including Finland. That does not indicate, by any manner of means, that Northern Europe is heading for Bolshevism. The large majority of the Scandinavian people have never voted "Red" in any revolutionary sense. They just wished to demonstra3te, in the face of the ravages of Fascism, that "der nordische Mensch" still holds to a program based on peace, progress, freedom and democracy.

(qtd. in Ganz↱)

 
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