I and ME............?

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Lord Nikon

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just a small question for y'all to ponder over........

what is (if infact there is any) difference between "i" and "me"?

......and i know you're screaming for clarification so here goes....

me: me is the physical, biological entity that comprises of the body, brain and all that malarky

i: "i" controls me's actions........hmmm....:rolleyes:.....cant really clarify my own question......does anyone understand what im getting at?

PS: as u can see im still sorting this out in my head! :confused:
 
Welcone Nikon,
I need some clarification.
after I had read your post, I started walking in circles and was wondering, what besides linguistic cases could be the topic of conversation?
Can you please explain that to me?

Here 'I' first is about the sentient agent, but later it is doing the physical walking, so it is about the biological body. And suddenly 'me' is about the psychological/cognitive/... entity.

Or is it that since I is the 'first person' in a sentence, wheras me has something 'third person-ish' about it?
 
You seem to be asking what is the difference between your personality (that which makes the choices you do) and your physical body (including brain and what not). If this is what you are asking, the answer is that there is no difference. Your brain "controls me's actions" in every which way.
 
Tyler,
If you think there is no difference between your brain and your experiences, I think you are missing something in your life.
Or are you merely referring to the contrl problem?
Even in tat case, there are clues from dynamical system theory that the mind 'enslaves' the brain.
 
I believe Merljin, that our friend is trying to distinguish between a physical him and another him. He has yet to grasp/learn/accept that it is our conscious and unconscious mind and our body make-up which is all we are. That there is no "supernatural" or "non-physical" element to each of us. Or, more exactly, there is no logical reason to believe in such an element as there is no evidence to prove or even suggest it's existence.
 
there is no logical reason to believe in such an element as there is no evidence to prove or even suggest it's existence.
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if one ignores qualia, you are right.
 
heres what I was thinking........

ME as i see it comprises of all that u can touch and see about yourself, for example: "you hurt ME" could refer to a small child beating you over the head with a 5 iron.......the arm then is a part of ME along with other things such as legs, organs, brain, etc...
then there is I. I to me is what controls ME. the brain could be, in this instance I as it controls the body. for example: "I hit you" refers to the situation where the brain (I) has told the fist (ME) to punch you. My intitial dilema came when i tried to differentiate between the brain as a physical entity and the brain in the form of thoughts and feelings..............hmmm........this was difficult for me because the brain is obviously part of ME as it is a physical and can be touched and examined. So then came the question......What is "I"? is it nothing more than a collection of pathways in the brain? and are I and ME seperate.....?

this would (if i wasnt in a thinking mood!) normally be a simple question for me but i then thort of this example:

If your arm was chewed off in a particularlly nasty squirral attack i would still consider it a part of ME....it would still be my arm!......however, it would no longer be part of I as it is no longer under the control of the brain and my conciousness.........

this seemed to conlude that I and ME are seperate........would anyone like to comment on these ideas.........(and please dont be patronising as have reached my own conclusion and am not wandering around dribbling on myself)

PS: u can entertain a thort without accepting it.
 
PSS: this is not a question about the english language either so please dont try and escape up that avenue! :D
 
Nikon,
I di not want to "escape up that avenue"! You see, I needed it for theidea around which the entire post (my first in this threat) revolved: "Or is it that since I is the 'first person' in a sentence, wheras me has something 'third person-ish' about it?"

Here is a good book:
"Philosophy of Mind, an overview for cognitive sciences" by W. Bechtel (Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1988).
 
i appologise if i soundeed like.....well.....an arse but i was merely trying to didrect an already sunken discussion away from relatively uninteresting ideas.....

thanks for the book reference by the way.

:)
 
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