Humanizing Animals

Orleander said:
I don't think you can neuter a companion or have it put to sleep. Its a pet. You can buy it and sell it.
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But you can have a newborn male circumcised?

Hmmm double standards and a contradiction come to mind. (unless you left your sons 'intact').



How is that different than a child?
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See above
 
mikenostic said:
But you can have a newborn male circumcised?...
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true. Circumcising my son was done for health reasons (and I know people are gonna disagree). But chopping off a dogs ears/tail and declawing a cat is never done for health reasons.
Its illegal to have a person sterilized without consent.
Its also illegal to buy a child in most countries.

I don't see why people have such a hard time calling an animal a pet. Just to make themselves feel better I'd guess.
If an animal is a companion, what is the owner called?
 
Orleander said:
true. Circumcising my son was done for health reasons (and I know people are gonna disagree).
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Really, what was his condition?

But chopping off a dogs ears/tail and declawing a cat is never done for health reasons.
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Do you have the memory of a goldfish?
Apparently you do because it has been discussed...ad nauseum, that docking tails and cropping ears have a functional purpose.
Do I really need to rehash this? :shrug:

I don't see why people have such a hard time calling an animal a pet. Just to make themselves feel better I'd guess.
If an animal is a companion, what is the owner called?
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Do you consider your children your companions?
 
Orleander said:
true. Circumcising my son was done for health reasons (and I know people are gonna disagree). But chopping off a dogs ears/tail and declawing a cat is never done for health reasons.
Its illegal to have a person sterilized without consent.
Its also illegal to buy a child in most countries.

I don't see why people have such a hard time calling an animal a pet. Just to make themselves feel better I'd guess.
If an animal is a companion, what is the owner called?
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I have no qualm calling my dog a pet, he is, but he is also a companion. Just because your one thing does not mean you can not be both. Your husband is your husband, but he may or may not be your companion.
 
While I'm very against circumcision, a lot of doctors still agree it's medically advisable to do so and reduces the risk of some cancers.
 
takandjive said:
While I'm very against circumcision, a lot of doctors still agree it's medically advisable to do so and reduces the risk of some cancers.
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Those doctors are full of shit, period.
Unless you have some sort of complication at birth that REQUIRES circumcision, why do it?

It's the way nature made it. No doctor on this planet can argue with tens of thousands of years of evolution and adaption.
Surely if a cut penis was the best survival/evolutionary advantage then common sense would say that mother nature would not have given us a foreskin.
 
mikenostic said:
Those doctors are full of shit, period.
Unless you have some sort of complication at birth that REQUIRES circumcision, why do it?

It's the way nature made it. No doctor on this planet can argue with tens of thousands of years of evolution and adaption.
Surely if a cut penis was the best survival/evolutionary advantage then common sense would say that mother nature would not have given us a foreskin.
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My dog has a foreskin and he's just fine. :p
 
mikenostic said:
Those doctors are full of shit, period.
Unless you have some sort of complication at birth that REQUIRES circumcision, why do it?

It's the way nature made it. No doctor on this planet can argue with tens of thousands of years of evolution and adaption.
Surely if a cut penis was the best survival/evolutionary advantage then common sense would say that mother nature would not have given us a foreskin.
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It's like taking out an ovary to assure less of a risk of ovarian cancer.
 
Especially before the days of regular bathing, penile cancer rates with uncirc'ed men were higher.
 
takandjive said:
Especially before the days of regular bathing, penile cancer rates with uncirc'ed men were higher.
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So what does all the advancements in hygiene, bathing and what not tell you?
That circumcision is obsolete, save for medical issues.

Anyway, getting a bit off topic.


So Orly, are your children not your companions? If not, what would you call them?
Dogs are companions, but like children, they are also dependents. And unlike most children, they will be dependents their whole lives.
 
Honestly, knowing how fucking lazy home health care workers are, I'd advise anyone with a handicapped son to have it done. I'm against it, but it has roots. That's hard to break. (Lotta Jewish friends...)
 
takandjive said:
Honestly, knowing how fucking lazy home health care workers are, I'd advise anyone with a handicapped son to have it done. I'm against it, but it has roots. That's hard to break. (Lotta Jewish friends...)
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I think I know where you're going with that, but what kind of handicap do you speak of?
 
I'd say if a boy had something like muscular dystrophy or cerebral palsy. Then again, I'd abort if I was carrying a child with this condition.
 
takandjive said:
I'd say if a boy had something like muscular dystrophy or cerebral palsy. Then again, I'd abort if I was carrying a child with this condition.
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It sounds like you are looking at this situation with plenty of common sense.
And yea, the CP or MS would be valid medical issues that would warrant a circumcision.
 
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