Human Life and Sin

[Pinball1970]

Surely you mean scientific evidence. What would be scientific evidence of a God?

Not necessarily.
We could verify a few of the Biblical claims?
A prediction in the OT or NT?
Or Koran?
In terms of science we could have discovered that life on earth is indeed separated into kinds on DNA analysis, or that all our radio isotopes confirm the earth is 6000 years old.

Or god could just show up and do something that everyone on the planet can see.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Not necessarily.

There are plenty of people who claimed or claim god spoke to them. That is anecdotal evidence.

We could verify a few of the Biblical claims?
A prediction in the OT or NT?
Or Koran?
In terms of science we could have discovered that life on earth is indeed separated into kinds on DNA analysis, or that all our radio isotopes confirm the earth is 6000 years old.

Or god could just show up and do something that everyone on the planet can see.

How would we know that is a god and not just a highly advanced being?

 

[Pinball1970]

There are plenty of people who claimed or claim god spoke to them. That is anecdotal evidence.

That's why I specifically said everyone on the planet.

How would we know that is a god and not just a highly advanced being

It would tell us, bad form otherwise don't you think?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

That's why I specifically said everyone on the planet.

I am addressing your statement that there is no evidence. There is anecdotal evidence. It would stand as evidence in a court of law, albeit very weak evidence. You are expanding that to mean evidence everyone would recognize. But that is an artificial constraint.

It would tell us, bad form otherwise don't you think?

As far as I know, there is no scientific test for a god so science cannot address the issue. It is unreasonable to demand evidence when no one say what that evidence would be.

That matter can exist is indirect evidence of intelligent design. We have no theory that can explain how the physical constants have values that allow for matter and all that exists. As far as we know, it is magic. True?

The only explanation I have heard proposed, is the idea that an infinity of universes, each with different random values for the physical constants, are constantly emerging in a multiverse of universes. This guarantees that every once in while, the constants will have values that make matter possible. Most universes fail in that matter cannot exist.

 

[Pinball1970]

How would we know that is a god and not just a highly advanced being?

Of course some mischievous alien could turn up and do some tricks and tell everyone.
If there really was a creator god, it would not allow that to happen and step in.
Either way we get a proof.

An outlandish scenario but gods usually come with outlandish claims.

 

[gmilam]

As far as I know, there is no scientific test for a god so science cannot address the issue.

First step might be to define what the word god means.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Of course some mischievous alien could turn up and do some tricks and tell everyone.
If there really was a creator god, it would not allow that to happen and step in.

LOL! Why do you think you know the mind of God?

 

[Pinball1970]

First step might be to define what the word god means.

I'm going with Yhwh as the OP mentioned Adam and Eve.
So a vengeful aggressive chap.

 

[Pinball1970]

LOL! Why do you think you know the mind of God?

He made me in his image,why wouldn't I?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

First step might be to define what the word god means.

One classical definition is that God is:
Omniscient
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Eternal

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I'm going with Yhwh as the OP mentioned Adam and Eve.
So a vengeful aggressive chap.

But how he/she/it would react is an assumption. God works in mysterious ways.

Now I'm in trouble with pronouns!

 

[Ivan Seeking]

That matter can exist is indirect evidence of intelligent design. We have no theory that can explain how the physical constants have values that allow for matter and all that exists. As far as we know, it is magic. True?

The only explanation I have heard proposed, is the idea that an infinity of universes, each with different random values for the physical constants, are constantly emerging in a multiverse of universes. This guarantees that every once in while, the constants will have values that make matter possible. Most universes fail in that matter cannot exist.

 

[Pinball1970]

LOL! Why do you think you know the mind of God?

Plus my ancestors ate from the tree of knowledge so we got sin BUT we also got gods number.
Plus I mentioned he was very jealous, you think he would let some smart alien steal his thunder?

 

[Pinball1970]

But how he/she/it would react is an assumption. God works in mysterious ways.

Now I'm in trouble with pronouns!

Mysterious yes, for me not existing is most likely.

 

[Pinball1970]

Yes lots of universes and we are wondering why we exist in a matter dominant universe. The people that do not exist in the radiation only universes cannot ask that question.

My anthropic arguments are pretty weak, I think it's just the way it is.

 

[gmilam]

One classical definition is that God is:
Omniscient
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Eternal

That's not a definition.

 

[gmilam]

I'm going with Yhwh as the OP mentioned Adam and Eve.
So a vengeful aggressive chap.

I guess the original post did mention Adam & Eve, so that probably does imply the YHWH concept of god. Then again the original poster has been fairly incoherent.

 

[Pinball1970]

I guess the original post did mention Adam & Eve, so that probably does imply the YHWH concept of god. Then again the original poster has been fairly incoherent.

There are a few physical descriptions in the OT.
Created man in his image.
He walked with Adam.
Ate with Lot so could appear in human form but then again could be a burning bush.

The idea of suffering because people are wicked is mentioned in the prophets.
Suffering to test, Job.
Suffering because of the Devil and his minions, Daniel onwards.

A bit of a mish mash.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

That's not a definition.

Yes it is. That is how religion classically defines god. Look it up.

Those are minimum requirements. There are other such as "God is love".

 

[Ivan Seeking]

There are a few physical descriptions in the OT.
Created man in his image.
He walked with Adam.
Ate with Lot so could appear in human form but then again could be a burning bush.

The idea of suffering because people are wicked is mentioned in the prophets.
Suffering to test, Job.
Suffering because of the Devil and his minions, Daniel onwards.

A bit of a mish mash.

Those are things god allegedly did. That doesn't define a god.