How is the sequence of thougths arranged in the mind?
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DaveC426913
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What makes you think it's not?
Do you mean why is not wholly chaotic?
Surely it is not a binary state. Order versus chaos in thought can be, among other ways, simply identified as the ability to concentrate. Ctha tgis something we evolved. (Most of us, that is. ADHD people have trouble with distractions.)
It's hard to tell where your skepticism lies.
Дэйв, ваши мысли последовательны. Вы выстраиваете логические цепочки. Вы видите причинно-следственные связи. Если бы это было не так, то ваш внутренний диалог, и диалог с другими людьми, выглядел бы, как бессвязный поток слов. Но этого не наблюдается. Вообще, отсутствие связности в мыслях, является признаком шизофрении.
DaveC426913
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In post 1, you ask why our thoughts are ordered and not chaotic. That's a bit ambiguous.
In post 2, I asked what you mean by chaotic thoughts. Sometimes our thoughts are chaotic. Sometimes we call this 'unable to concentrate'. I also explained that an inability to organize one's thoughts would by a pretty big survival disadvantage.
So, a very simple answer to your question is: it evolved as a survival trait, from a time when we were flatworms. If a flatworm startled every time a grain of silt rolled over it, it would soon die wasting energy, so it evolved to ignore distractions and concentrate on eating or breeding or whatever.
In post 3, you explain what order is, in your own words. I don't know why.
I think it would probably be better if you just explained your thinking up-front rather than readers having to guess what you mean from an eight word post.
In post 2, I asked what you mean by chaotic thoughts. Sometimes our thoughts are chaotic. Sometimes we call this 'unable to concentrate'. I also explained that an inability to organize one's thoughts would by a pretty big survival disadvantage.
So, a very simple answer to your question is: it evolved as a survival trait, from a time when we were flatworms. If a flatworm startled every time a grain of silt rolled over it, it would soon die wasting energy, so it evolved to ignore distractions and concentrate on eating or breeding or whatever.
In post 3, you explain what order is, in your own words. I don't know why.
I think it would probably be better if you just explained your thinking up-front rather than readers having to guess what you mean from an eight word post.
Дэйв, бессвязные, "хаотичные мысли" мы обычно называем "бредом". Это признак нездоровья. Меня интересует сам механизм мыслительной деятельности. Каким образом нейроны возбуждаются именно так, что это становится последовательным, логически, и причинно-следовательно связанным потоком мыслей, а не просто бессвязно льющимся словесным потоком.
Wizard of Whatever
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It can be chaotic if you stop trying to control it.
Как можно контролировать мысли?
Wizard of Whatever
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By just thinking, or using meditation and concentration techniques. When you let go of the mind, it first becomes chaotic, then smooth flow, then quiet, and finally it disappears.
DaveC426913
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Well, that's a bit extreme though. There's a range of healthy organizational thinking: day-dreaming, stream-of consciousness, etc.
How would such a chaotic mind possibly have evolved? Any complex creature who couldn't form a thought would have been eaten.
Мечтательность - это не хаотичный, бессвязный поток мыслей. Это выстроенные логические и причинно-следственные цепочки.
У червей и многих других животных нет мозга, а значит и мыслей, но они же не вымерли до сих пор. Кто то "ест" их, кого то "едят" они.
А куда он исчезает? И откуда возникает?
Pinball1970
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The wonderful world of Evolution Olga
Да, Пин. Только теперь мы уже сами можем управлять своей эволюцией.
DaveC426913
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Er... Sure?
I mean, I suppose we could en mass choose mates who have difficulty concentrating or suffer from schizophrenia, keeping it up for generations, until a large population of the human race were unable to function, but they'd probably die out because of that.
Other than that, what does controlling our evolution have to do with the topic?
Wizard of Whatever
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The Tibetians would say the Void. Others would say the Ether. I personally have no idea.
That's why the incompatibilism version of free will shouldn't even be desirable. Even setting aside the issue of survival, who wants to choose and behave randomly all the time? Even the severely mentally ill person probably wouldn't desire their elevated degree of "freedom" from governing constraints and personal tendencies if they could step outside themselves for a few moments and apprehend what they were like from a more regulated and deterministic perspective.
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Дэйв, даже если у кого то проблемы с концентрацией внимания, это не означает автоматически, что у него бессвязный поток мыслей.
Мы и пустота - несовместимы. Мы разрушаем её вечный покой своим присутствием.
Wizard of Whatever
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DaveC426913
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That comes down to how one chooses to define it. It seems what you mean by disjointed isn't what I mean by disjointed.
At eight words, your opening post left a LOT to interpretation, so I interpreted it.
We're nineteen posts in, and you're still defining the question you were trying to ask. Why not just start with being forward about what your expectations are?