How Does Superman Fly?

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Encephaloid Martini
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I've read all kinds of explanations, one of the most interesting is that his powers are so great he can generate an anti-gravity field around him. That's fine, but I still can't wrap my head around how he creates the propulsion to accelerate to high speeds?
 
I've read all kinds of explanations, one of the most interesting is that his powers are so great he can generate an anti-gravity field around him. That's fine, but I still can't wrap my head around how he creates the propulsion to accelerate to high speeds?
When I was a kid, I used the incomprehensibility of this to bolster my conviction that DC comics were mostly crap. With most Marvel comics superheroes there was some sort of explanation for their abilities--science, a fluke of science, interdimensionality or extraterrestiality, enhanced abilities through refinement of a "disability", etc.; moreover, Marvel comics heroes were more apt to be marginalized sorts, i.e., Blacks, Jews, cripples, epileptics, lunatics, communists. This may not be entirely accurate, but at least in the '80s and prior, there was some truth to this.

In fact, the great Jack Kirby, during his brief tenure with DC in the early '70s, didn't touch any of that Superman shit; rather, he focussed on the humble Jimmy Olsen. I believe in his heart Kirby knew that everything about Superman was preposterous and not worthy of his talents.
 
I've read all kinds of explanations, one of the most interesting is that his powers are so great he can generate an anti-gravity field around him. That's fine, but I still can't wrap my head around how he creates the propulsion to accelerate to high speeds?
Are you saying that you can wrap your ahead around the whole anti-gravity thing?For me, that's too much. It's like all the hovercrap in the Star Wars universe. They've got all that crap on Tatooine even, where Luke's landspeeder continues to hover even when he puts it in park. Why? And if they can do all that, why can't they figure out an easier way to either manufacture or extract moisture? The anti-gravity tech is unrelated but still, you'd think that if they've got those kinds of mad skilz they'd figure out a way to extract moisture that doesn't involve total commitment and back-breaking labor.
 
It has changed many times over the decades. The source of his abilities get reset with every reboot.

I'm not sure how much merit there is in picking that particular power mechanic and then trying to figure out how the details work. The writers have a fixed end-effect that they have to cobble some plausible-sounding physics to make it work. It's not like it was thought out ahead of time.
 
I don’t like superhero stories, in general. They usually always have happy endings. But I remember it’s just a movie, and suspend my disbelief disenchantment for the moment.

I want to see real people, with real problems, trying to overcome them. Although, it would be fun to fly away some days, high above the trees, when life gets hard.
 
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It's the cape. It works for Superman, Mighty Mouse and it will work for you. Put on a cape, get on the roof of your house and fly. Trust me, it works.

My flight was short but the concept is there.
 
I've read all kinds of explanations, one of the most interesting is that his powers are so great he can generate an anti-gravity field around him. That's fine, but I still can't wrap my head around how he creates the propulsion to accelerate to high speeds?
Как муха или пчела. Роль крыльев выполняет плащ. У насекомых не такие крылья, как у птиц, они ими не машут. Крылья крепятся к экзоскелету и его сокращения заставляют крылья вибрировать с высокой частотой. А чтобы муха могла совершать разные кульбиты в воздухе, её крылья могут выгинаться дугой по разному. Супермен это делает с помощью плаща.
 
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I don’t like superhero stories, in general. They usually always have happy endings.
Don't most stories have happy endings?

I want to see real people, with real problems, trying to overcome them. Although, it would be fun to fly away some days, high above the trees, when life gets hard.
Well-written superhero stories are about real people with real problems - they just happen to have superpowers.
 
It's the cape. It works for Superman, Mighty Mouse and it will work for you. Put on a cape, get on the roof of your house and fly. Trust me, it works.

My flight was short but the concept is there.
Посмотрите ролик из России, где пьяный мужик выходит из окна 9 этажа, падает в сугроб, встаёт, оттряхивается, и идёт за бутылкой. Без всякого плаща. Круче Бэтмена.
 
Don't most stories have happy endings?
It rather depends on the genre. Noir, for example, tends to favour the ambiguous, the unhappy, the morally bleak. There may be an element of "happy" (yay, they caught the killer!) but the protagonist rarely comes out unscathed (physically, emotionally, morally etc). Take the Maltese Falcon as a typical example: case solved, but the woman is lost, and the treasure worthless. Not particularly "happy". The ending really should follow the tone of the rest of the story or else it will come across as rather jarring.

So just because "most" stories have happy endings, it would seem sensible, to me at least, to avoid genres that one considers "usually always have happy endings". There will be exceptions, of course. There are always exceptions.
Well-written superhero stories are about real people with real problems - they just happen to have superpowers.
The latter part of that sentence pretty much excludes it from being about "real people", I'd have thought. I mean, I've yet to meet a "real person" who has superpowers. Have you? ;)
If you mean that they are fundamentally human stories, exploring the human condition, etc, then sure. And a good story in that regard is a good story. The issue then is whether you can get past the conceit, the setting, etc. I know people who just can't handle anything sci-fi, even if literally just the setting. E.g. set Romeo & Juliet in a sci-fi setting and it's a big no-no, even if the language is unaltered from the original.


As for unhappy superhero: try Watchmen by Alan Moore. The graphic novel is slightly different in the end to the movie, slightly more ambiguous, but certainly not "happy ending" stuff.
Joker is good, as well. I haven't seen the sequel yet, but imagine it's about as nihilistic and as uncomfortable as the first.
V for Vendetta - not "happy" but does offer some "hope" for the future.
And then there's The Boys series - which is excellent TV viewing for anyone who wants a dark, cynical, and deeply unsettling view of the superhero genre!


As for how Superman can fly?
Well, not many might know, but he began unable to fly! In his earliest incarnation he could leap over tall buildings, and great distances, but he couldn't actually fly! And the leaping was due to his strength. Seems obvious enough.
Then he began to fly, so they retconned everything. Now it's through the means of hand-wavium particles that are immune to any plot-inconsistency potentiality. Quite possibly due to microtubules. ;)
 
It rather depends on the genre. Noir, for example, tends to favour the ambiguous, the unhappy, the morally bleak. There may be an element of "happy" (yay, they caught the killer!) but the protagonist rarely comes out unscathed (physically, emotionally, morally etc). Take the Maltese Falcon as a typical example: case solved, but the woman is lost, and the treasure worthless. Not particularly "happy". The ending really should follow the tone of the rest of the story or else it will come across as rather jarring.

So just because "most" stories have happy endings, it would seem sensible, to me at least, to avoid genres that one considers "usually always have happy endings". There will be exceptions, of course. There are always exceptions.

The latter part of that sentence pretty much excludes it from being about "real people", I'd have thought. I mean, I've yet to meet a "real person" who has superpowers. Have you? ;)
If you mean that they are fundamentally human stories, exploring the human condition, etc, then sure. And a good story in that regard is a good story. The issue then is whether you can get past the conceit, the setting, etc. I know people who just can't handle anything sci-fi, even if literally just the setting. E.g. set Romeo & Juliet in a sci-fi setting and it's a big no-no, even if the language is unaltered from the original.


As for unhappy superhero: try Watchmen by Alan Moore. The graphic novel is slightly different in the end to the movie, slightly more ambiguous, but certainly not "happy ending" stuff.
Joker is good, as well. I haven't seen the sequel yet, but imagine it's about as nihilistic and as uncomfortable as the first.
V for Vendetta - not "happy" but does offer some "hope" for the future.
And then there's The Boys series - which is excellent TV viewing for anyone who wants a dark, cynical, and deeply unsettling view of the superhero genre!


As for how Superman can fly?
Well, not many might know, but he began unable to fly! In his earliest incarnation he could leap over tall buildings, and great distances, but he couldn't actually fly! And the leaping was due to his strength. Seems obvious enough.
Then he began to fly, so they retconned everything. Now it's through the means of hand-wavium particles that are immune to any plot-inconsistency potentiality. Quite possibly due to microtubules. ;)
Handwavium is very good. Doubtless generated from the impossitron.
 
Don't most stories have happy endings?


Well-written superhero stories are about real people with real problems - they just happen to have superpowers.
As it relates to books, I tend to choose mysteries or psychological thrillers, and the occasional sci-fi / fantasy, mainly because they don't always have happy endings. They often have satisfying endings, but not necessarily ''happy.'' Maybe I'm not explaining this correctly. I don't like endings that are unrealistically happy, like superman flies in to save the day, just in time, every time. I suppose it's like spending the day at Disney World, though - none of that is real either, but sometimes, it's nice to escape reality, on occasion. Superhero movies are like that, an escape from reality, and what if there is a magical, superhero out there who can save everyone's day? It's nice to dream about, anyway.

It's not that I want villains to 'win,' but they are often misunderstood in superhero arcs, and it would be far better to me, to spend some time on their backstories, and not always on the prim and proper Clark Kent, who always gets what he wants in the end, simply by becoming someone else with a red cape and the ability to fly. *shrug*
 
Sarkus - “Joker” and “V for Vendetta” are amazing films and exactly what I’m talking about. Not happy endings, but satisfying. Realistic. Both are seen as villains, but I just think they’re misunderstood. Joker was a little dark but it was a necessary backstory to see who he became.

Neither could fly and I’m good with that.
 
I've noticed that some genres are underexplored, e.g. heroes with very modest superpowers. I'm thinking of abilities like predicting a rotten strawberry even when it's not visible in the store packaging, or being able to open bubble packaging without scissors or utility knife. Or how about a protagonist who can use long extension cards with lawn equipment and never get them all snarled up? It would still set them apart from ordinary humans, but they would still need to be adroit, smart and have good problem solving skills in most spheres of activity.

I think Hollywood and pop culture generally have really missed an opportunity here. And perhaps have an action film where two such individuals are pitted against each other? Perhaps a hero who can always find every cashew in a bowl of mixed nuts takes on a villain who can always hit the traffic lights on green. Gripping stuff!
 
I've noticed that some genres are underexplored, e.g. heroes with very modest superpowers. I'm thinking of abilities like predicting a rotten strawberry even when it's not visible in the store packaging, or being able to open bubble packaging without scissors or utility knife. Or how about a protagonist who can use long extension cards with lawn equipment and never get them all snarled up? It would still set them apart from ordinary humans, but they would still need to be adroit, smart and have good problem solving skills in most spheres of activity.

I think Hollywood and pop culture generally have really missed an opportunity here. And perhaps have an action film where two such individuals are pitted against each other? Perhaps a hero who can always find every cashew in a bowl of mixed nuts takes on a villain who can always hit the traffic lights on green. Gripping stuff!
The latter could be an ace ambulance driver, saving the lives of grateful patients every day.
 
As it relates to books, I tend to choose mysteries or psychological thrillers, and the occasional sci-fi / fantasy, mainly because they don't always have happy endings. They often have satisfying endings, but not necessarily ''happy.'' Maybe I'm not explaining this correctly. I don't like endings that are unrealistically happy, like superman flies in to save the day, just in time, every time. I suppose it's like spending the day at Disney World, though - none of that is real either, but sometimes, it's nice to escape reality, on occasion. Superhero movies are like that, an escape from reality, and what if there is a magical, superhero out there who can save everyone's day? It's nice to dream about, anyway.

It's not that I want villains to 'win,' but they are often misunderstood in superhero arcs, and it would be far better to me, to spend some time on their backstories, and not always on the prim and proper Clark Kent, who always gets what he wants in the end, simply by becoming someone else with a red cape and the ability to fly. *shrug*
Yes, in a novel one looks for a resolution, which may or may not be entirely "happy". The plot threads have to be brought together and the characters given some kind of end state.
 
I've noticed that some genres are underexplored, e.g. heroes with very modest superpowers. I'm thinking of abilities like predicting a rotten strawberry even when it's not visible in the store packaging, or being able to open bubble packaging without scissors or utility knife. Or how about a protagonist who can use long extension cards with lawn equipment and never get them all snarled up? It would still set them apart from ordinary humans, but they would still need to be adroit, smart and have good problem solving skills in most spheres of activity.

I think Hollywood and pop culture generally have really missed an opportunity here. And perhaps have an action film where two such individuals are pitted against each other? Perhaps a hero who can always find every cashew in a bowl of mixed nuts takes on a villain who can always hit the traffic lights on green. Gripping stuff!
Теват, я знаю таких людей. Муж одной моей знакомой находит бутылку с выпивкой в любом месте, куда бы её не спрятали. Вот это настоящая суперспособность. Правда, у неё есть "побочки" - после того, как он её найдёт и выпьет, он наутро не может найти "вчерашний день".
 
The latter part of that sentence pretty much excludes it from being about "real people", I'd have thought. I mean, I've yet to meet a "real person" who has superpowers. Have you? ;)
The point is they are not defined by their superpowers; they're defined by their relationships, their work life their home life. The superpowers tear them away from their real lives, and they expand a lot energy trying to keep their real lives together despite the superpowers.

If you mean that they are fundamentally human stories, exploring the human condition, etc, then sure.
The human condition writ large.

'I missed my son's fourth birthday because Casa Nova Frankenstein is holding the Brooklin Bridge hostage' is fundamentally the same as 'I missed my son's fourth birthday because my job is on-the-line and my boss made me work late'. To the family, it's the same outcome.



Well, not many might know, but he began unable to fly! In his earliest incarnation he could leap over tall buildings, and great distances, but he couldn't actually fly! And the leaping was due to his strength. Seems obvious enough.
Then he began to fly, so they retconned everything. Now it's through the means of hand-wavium particles that are immune to any plot-inconsistency potentiality. Quite possibly due to microtubules. ;)
+1
 
As it relates to books, I tend to choose mysteries or psychological thrillers, and the occasional sci-fi / fantasy, mainly because they don't always have happy endings. They often have satisfying endings, but not necessarily ''happy.'' Maybe I'm not explaining this correctly. I don't like endings that are unrealistically happy, like superman flies in to save the day, just in time, every time. I suppose it's like spending the day at Disney World, though - none of that is real either, but sometimes, it's nice to escape reality, on occasion. Superhero movies are like that, an escape from reality, and what if there is a magical, superhero out there who can save everyone's day? It's nice to dream about, anyway.

It's not that I want villains to 'win,' but they are often misunderstood in superhero arcs, and it would be far better to me, to spend some time on their backstories, and not always on the prim and proper Clark Kent, who always gets what he wants in the end, simply by becoming someone else with a red cape and the ability to fly. *shrug*
DC stories are very different from Marvel stories.

DC is much more traditonal in its superhero tropes. Powers are just 'magically' imbued and fantastical, characters are two dimensional, villains one-dimensional.

Marvel stories tend to deal with topical issues, like bigotry, racism and oppression. Often their characters are timeless archetypes (the feral animal within us, the abandoned orphan, the cursed, etc.) and these allow the stories to evolve around more timeless, more relatable foibles. Their powers tend to be a little more plausibly constructed, their backstories well fleshed-out, and their villains more three-dimensional.

The X-Men universe is a lot more human-scale and relatable than the Avengers universe.


This is all a gross over-simplification, by the way. I'm expecting to be lynched by DC-fans.
 
I've noticed that some genres are underexplored, e.g. heroes with very modest superpowers. I'm thinking of abilities like predicting a rotten strawberry even when it's not visible in the store packaging, or being able to open bubble packaging without scissors or utility knife. Or how about a protagonist who can use long extension cards with lawn equipment and never get them all snarled up? It would still set them apart from ordinary humans, but they would still need to be adroit, smart and have good problem solving skills in most spheres of activity.

I think Hollywood and pop culture generally have really missed an opportunity here. And perhaps have an action film where two such individuals are pitted against each other? Perhaps a hero who can always find every cashew in a bowl of mixed nuts takes on a villain who can always hit the traffic lights on green. Gripping stuff!
A brilliant film is "Mystery Men" (already referenced by DaveC!), about a team of superheroes that include Shoveler (he hits people with a shovel), Invisible Boy (turns invisible but only when people aren't looking at him), Blue Raja (he throws cutlery), and the Sphinx (a guru type who spouts aphorisms like "learn to master your doubt or your doubt will master you").

There was a show on British TV called "No Heroics" a few years ago that might also be up your street...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Heroics
 
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