How does it feel to be poor?
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RIGHTS
1. Life.
2. Liberty (Freedom from physical harm for any reason and captivity.)
3. Physical Property (Freedom to own property that may not be stolen.)
4. Privacy (Freedom to keep personal information private. This includes monitary transactions. The income or transactions of the individual are nobody's business.)
5. All information about their institution including by not limited to statistics and budget allocation.
There are more, but these are just some primary important ones.
1. Life.
2. Liberty (Freedom from physical harm for any reason and captivity.)
3. Physical Property (Freedom to own property that may not be stolen.)
4. Privacy (Freedom to keep personal information private. This includes monitary transactions. The income or transactions of the individual are nobody's business.)
5. All information about their institution including by not limited to statistics and budget allocation.
There are more, but these are just some primary important ones.
cool skill said:
I mean what would you use to establish these standards?
You say physical and mental health. What defines the standards of health?
You say education. How does that take into account individual differences in aptitude?
And how would these be measured?
The overall health of a community can probably be measured by the amount of healthy individuals there are in a community.
In regrds to city design, the more individuals there are that meet high standards of quality, the greater the potential is for others to move up to such levels.
In regrds to city design, the more individuals there are that meet high standards of quality, the greater the potential is for others to move up to such levels.
Cty design is not all that cut and dry. Not everything can be described in one post.samcdkey said:
1. Understanding of human biology. What is peak health, and a clear well balanced mind?
2. In terms of education, my motto is not to teach people how to think, but to teach people how to think for themselves. The development if a highly advanced curriculum is of major importance. Thereby increasing knowledge as well as intelligence/aptitude. (I must remember that there are people still living in the mideivil dark ages that approach education in terms of static intelligence. It makes no sense nor has it ever made any sense how anybody could think intelligence is anything other than a skill that is taught/learned.)
3. The study of city design and development is something I am highly dedicated to. It is not just about designing cities and social systems. It is about getting a better understanding of how to design cities/social systems. Improving the abilities to design lead to better and better designs. This goes for any course of study.
We need to look at the real physical situation.TruthSeeker said:
I've had some experience here. No, they don't and IT tends to create as many problems as it fixes. The problem is not the means but the organizational structure. A primary cause: Political power does not tolerate a void.
Bureaucracy and red-tape, the bug bears of any organization. Now you're getting to some of the meat of this problem. The question: How do we alleviate this?
The functional value of the resources used are very small in proportion to the transaction price. What does this mean? Remember, money is not a functional resource.
This is the point where assistance is needed. This is why we don't tax people under a certain income and provide welfare. But this is also the responsibility of the individual not just society. Society should provide support and opportunity. But the individual also needs to take responsibility and act.
People often increase their debt in proportion to earnings. This is a major mistake and the primary error of the lower and middle classes. Spending increases according to their capacity to borrow rather than their income. It's a certain path to financial ruin.
No. They give us what we want. We shape our educational system. We elect the people who make the decisions we want. If proper education were a major concern of the people we would have it. We don't. We don't vote for politicians who make school more rigorous we vote for politicians who pass more kids. It doesn't matter if they don't learn shit... just as long as they graduate.
Because cash isn't the problem. The problem is the proper management of resources, whatever they may be.
http://www.communitygarden.org/
http://topsyturvys.com/10001.html
http://www.oldhouseweb.com/gardening/garden/03900093.shtml
Bonds, CDs, Money Markets, even a simple savings account is better than nothing. You don't need to be an expert to figure out the return on a fixed investment. People make two main mistakes when it comes to investing. One, they put it off, "I'll invest next year." or "When I get the next raise." Two, they look for a quick return. The general rule is; the greater the potential return, the larger the risk.
Not many. I had an excellent primary and secondary education and they didn't teach us this stuff.
Talking to and reading the advice of people who have been successful at it (and I do NOT mean the get rich quick, you too can be a gadzillionaire on no money down self-help books). The government also provides resources, here are a few:
http://www.mymoney.gov/
http://www.sec.gov/investor.shtml
http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/moneysmart/index.html
http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/domestic-finance/financial-institution/fin-education/
http://www.federalreserve.gov/consumers.htm
http://www.ncua.gov/FinancialEducation/index.htm
http://www.sba.gov/
http://www.fha.gov/
They sure do put out a lot of info for people trying to keep us down.
And complaining accomplishes what exactly?
~Raithere
When did I say that poor people are stealing anything? I was talking about you, self admitted leech that you are. I'm more than happy to help those who cannot provide for themselves or who are looking for assistance and opportunity. But if you just want to ride on my back you can fuck off.cool skill said:
Hopefully that's clear enough that even you can understand.
~Raithere
Raithere said:
One of the essential questions of modern societies i'm afraid. How to diminish the bureacracy.
In the netherlands there was news not so long ago that a group of civil servants had been sabotaging (that's the word that was used) several projects because although they were beneficial for the civilians they were not good for these groups of civil servants within the system of bureacracy.
This little act of sabotage had cost the government hundreds of millions.
The funny thing is the civil servants never received any punishment for this act of sabotage. They were not fired. Not reprimanded. Not restructured.
I'm afraid the bureacracy holds more power than we are willing to admit. Governments come and go but these people stay.
That said there are differences in the level of bureacracy in different countries. And although we heard before on sciforums that size of the country is to blame for increased bureaucracy i have never seen any stats backing up this belief.
What I see is that level of bureaucracy is dependent on the history of the country and the attitude towards civilians and the structure of the bureaucractic machine itself.
If there is a general attitude that civilians cannot be trusted this will be reflected in increased levels of bureacracy.
If the structure of bureaucracy allows for immediate decisions (decision power at the desk where contact between civilians and civil servants takes place) certain bureacratic levels can be ommited allowing for a smaller structure.
That said I do believe that it will be hard to change any bureacratic system once it is in place. And in fact I cannot come up with any solution other than rather radical ones. It would take a very brave political faction to attck this problem. I've never seen a brave political faction in my life. What is left then? Heads must roll? Revolution? But bureaucracies have the tendency to survive revolutions.
A topic worthy of a thread I would say.
A populist democracy.samcdkey said:
The problem with current government system is that the administration is seen as the governing body. The fact is, the real governing body is the people. The administration must be seen and treated not as our fearless leaders, but as our humble servants.
This is a post from awhile back on another thread.
Creating a highly efficient and effective political structure is an important task. The most important thing is excellent highly competent service to deliver peak results. The entire operations should run as smooth as possible, and should benefit all citizens equally with the most effective foundational barriers to corruption in full protection of the earth environment.cool skill said:
Perhaps a board of elders presiding over the administration.
This is similar to a corporation. I am president, and I have a CEO. I own everything, and have all final decisions, but the CEO does all the work. Similarly, an elected board of elders is responsible for designing and strategic planning under the principals of city design. The executive director answers directly to them. The executive director is in charge of everything, and has no legislative powers.
There might not be a need for any senate per say, but a forum for all qualified voters. This forum uses the rules of order to vote on each proposal. They are responsible for allocating public funds. Of course, they are made up of the public participants.
There is of course a justice system in which any person may bring a civil suit against any person or entity. There is also a criminal justice system with utmost respect..
MEDIA
Our current plutocracy is a government of mass uneducation and miseducation. Either the masses do not know or the masses are fed the wrong information. The public is unaware that they own, and have the right to everything. But they are treated by the governing plutocracy of the united states as greedy subjects. The plutocracy has a serious control over mass corporate media. There are no laws that require news media to report true information. They cannot easily be sued for providing the public with false information because their legal representatives base everything on the fact that they have no legal restriction on information they provide. They have every right under law to say whatever they way. Freedom of speech.
However, if any media causes a significant influence on the public that threatens the plutocracy, they are considered to be inciting public disturbance.
This is easily proven in the frustration that we cannot turn on the news to get information on what is going on in the world. The news is nothing more than one sided brainwashing. The best thing to do with the news is to turn it off, and get the hell away from it. You can easily test this. When one is trying to get information on all sides of the story, watching the news is nothing but a frustrating event. They repeat one side over and over and over, but we never get to see objective interviews or learn anything about what the other side wants.
You can even analyze a CNN article about NY transit strikes http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/20/nyc.transit/index.html. The article itself places the crooked mayor as the standard view, and the view of the transit workers under “Differing Views”. If you are the public, this basically tells you what is the standard view, and what is the “differing” views. The worst part is, they never mention a single time what the transit city workers want other than an outright lie: They are striking for higher pay, and better healthcare. Sure everybody wants that, but that has never been the actual purpose of their strike which they never mention in the article. In the end, their leader was forced to send them back to work under threat of arrest. The claim was that they violated their contract. Unfortunately, the contract is in violation of the law.
POLICE
-Unarmed patrol responsible for patrolling public grounds.
-Emergency knights trained specifically for physical force and captivity, but no power of arrest. (unarmed)
-Armed emergency knights trained specifically for armed threats.
-Unarmed detectives with power of arrest.
Upon an emergency involving violence, an emergency team is immediately dispatch to keep the situation peaceful. Along with them is a detective that may arrest and process anybody accused of violation. All officers/knights are under oath of chivalry conduct. They do not have freedom of speech while on duty. They only speak pure logic adhering to the situation. They are trained in logic and compassion to all.
They may not use profanity. They may not abuse people. They may not hit people. The training for physical force is 100% humane physical detention. There is absolutely no granting of favors or other such similar corrupt behavior. All people must be treated equally. Anybody in violation is in criminal violation of the law.
Regarding arms, only certain knights are armed. The necessity of armed units is only relative to the public threat of armed violence. There are very strict rules regarding arms. No civilian has any right to bear arms. Any knight on the task force does so during duty as needed, but must go trough intensive training. Other than these specific threats, arms are completely illegal. Martial arts training is not limited to physical training, but inner peace and moral compassion as well.
Current police are idiots. They are complete and utter morons with no ability to assess any situation. They are corrupt in everyway. Especially Miami PD. Go hang out in any precinct, and you will see what I mean. They have a gang mentality. They are anything but knights of high conduct. They are drooling idiots with guns, high tempers, obnoxious attitudes, and pure corruption.
Need I even get started on proper humane methods of incarceration and reformation?
Obviously you do not understand what was clearly stated many many times. 1. I am not the rich person riding on your back.Raithere said:
2. You are an idiot.
3. Nobody said anything about helping anybody.
You are strawmanning, and used the term stealing. I did not hold you up at gunpoint.
You are speaking of stealing in a completely different sense. There is nothing wrong with stealing as in taking back what rightly belongs to the people. What has been constantly stolen from the people by the rich.
I never said anybody was riding on anybody's back.
I said you are not obligated to do any work. If you have a problem with it, stop doing it. You really are a total retard.
Nobody has the obligation to work. If you do not like it, stop doing it or stfu. Too bad you cannot stop working because if you do, you will not be able to afford to take care of yourself. Such a flawed system places the obligation on you, so you really do not have the choice. Ergo any subject of the system is a bleeding slave.
Yes. Many of them have their hands in huge corporations including oil companies and such. They are steadily dipping into the technology sector.
In the last few months, You Tube has risen to be worth up to 2 billion dollars.
Everything in Afghanistan and Iraq and such is related to taking over land to lay oil pipelines for the profit of Bush, Cheney, and many other rich oil, drug, and weapons tycoons.
In the last few months, You Tube has risen to be worth up to 2 billion dollars.
Everything in Afghanistan and Iraq and such is related to taking over land to lay oil pipelines for the profit of Bush, Cheney, and many other rich oil, drug, and weapons tycoons.
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Public officials supposedly have some form of bureacratical requirement to disclose their income.
But they of course have placed severe limits on these requirements. They may own and invest in private companies. It is fraud to use the government to increase you own wealth, but the essence of corruption is standard practice. As long as it is standard practice, it is said to be ok.
But they of course have placed severe limits on these requirements. They may own and invest in private companies. It is fraud to use the government to increase you own wealth, but the essence of corruption is standard practice. As long as it is standard practice, it is said to be ok.
I was reading a piece on corruption in the Netherlands by Jan Marijnissen. The leader of the socialist party, not the center socialist party, but the one on the more extreme side of the political spectrum.
In his opinion the corruption in holland is mainly hidden. It's not brought to our attention because they don't want to smear a whole category because 'some' do it.
One university did some research and concluded there were about 350 serious cases of corruption per year.
Strangely enough political corruption seldom leads to punishment because it's technically not always against the law perse. Bribes can actually be used as a tax deduction. Legally. 1-2% of the business costs can be deducted for this reason. State sponspored corruption and no specified details need to be given.
Corruption will be frowned upon when it goes public though unlike in the USA is seems so there are definite risks involved.
The best way to deal with corruption is therefore to have a zero-tolerance policy.
In his opinion the corruption in holland is mainly hidden. It's not brought to our attention because they don't want to smear a whole category because 'some' do it.
One university did some research and concluded there were about 350 serious cases of corruption per year.
Strangely enough political corruption seldom leads to punishment because it's technically not always against the law perse. Bribes can actually be used as a tax deduction. Legally. 1-2% of the business costs can be deducted for this reason. State sponspored corruption and no specified details need to be given.
Corruption will be frowned upon when it goes public though unlike in the USA is seems so there are definite risks involved.
The best way to deal with corruption is therefore to have a zero-tolerance policy.
cool skill said:
Wow. Is the problem that you don't understand what you read, you can't remember, or that you live in your own fantasy world?
Or will you just say anything to hang on to the delusion that you are always right?
You have a very nice bit self-justification going on there cs.
I'm sure it makes you feel very righteous. It must be nice to know everything and always be right. Please help the rest of us poor fools.
I guess I have my answer.
LOL
~Raithere