Lol!
This isn't the crux of your understanding of the UFO phenomenon, is it... just a bunch of blurry pictures?
We have tonnes of evidence for their existence, even at times when they were doing things we couldn't!
How do you explain unusual paranormal activities after playing on the Ouija board?
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Lol!
This isn't the crux of your understanding of the UFO phenomenon, is it... just a bunch of blurry pictures?
We have tonnes of evidence for their existence, even at times when they were doing things we couldn't!
Nonsense.
You have no idea such speeds are possible. Even if it were, relativistic effects mean they would leave their home planet many centuries in the past.
What's nonsense? We have about a 100 years, 60 at best of these aerial ships appearing in our skies and the military not only being soberly worried about it, but have the order to shoot down many of these objects, which at the time, often displays different but still advanced technology we don't have. Or we shouldn't have.
There are real documents, real military investigation and previously secret documents released which confirms UFO's are not only real, but they have been invading our airspace with impunity.
... in 1952, several UFO's flew over the white house. We had radar, ground and air confirmation about orb UFO's flying and evaded interception at speeds of 7000 miles per hour. I know we didn't have that technology because the fastest vehicle was yet to be experimented on 20 years later, the X-plane which moved at 4000 miles per hour. This is how I know, these things are using a technology which we don't have... didn't have back then. Those supersonic speeds hadn't been achieved.
I can see some people are not well-read on the subject. Take the time to learn some interesting facts about the UFO phenomenon, here http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?140280-My-last-thread-on-UFO-s
There are four chapters in all I think... last one was about UFO's probing military establishments.
There are four chapters in all I think... last one was about UFO's probing military establishments.
relativistic speeds?
Of course they are real. There are many distant objects moving at relativistic speeds. In the lab, we can even push an electron to near light speed, so yes, it is very possible. Using an antimatter propulsion system, you can reach the speed of light quite quickly.
Yes. They would leave their planet reach our star in about four years and some time is slowed down in their frame. Why this bothers you I don't know. They could be thousands of years ahead of us. They could have been aware of us for a long time. Aspiring to travel great distances at relativistic speeds will be at the core of any alien civilizations experiment. It's already theoretically possible today. We do move objects to these speeds all the time.
It could be just a human prejudice, but most people don't want to leave their whole civilization many centuries in the past. It would be a kind of death.
It's likely an alien race will have to become fully-space dwelling creatures, possibly aboard motherships, just as we will need to consider in the future methods of saving the human race before our star collapses. Spacetime travel, would have to become every day life for these beings. There won't be centuries passing on a planet which isn't inhabited.
This is speculation, I don't actually know if an alien race has become fully space dwelling creatures, but it's likely it has happened since we are living examples of attempting to find solutions to problem of the continuation of our species.
I'd say that all those doctors who really aren't doctors are quacks and shouldn't be trusted to cook a dinner. You are bringing up something which is real and is abused by those wishing to take advantage of others with their so called "expertise" in a specialized field of doctors. The ghosts and UFO's are a totally different thing that we are talking about so I can't understand why you bring those kinds of people into this conversation.
Even granting that reports about inexplicable affairs were true or not misinterpretations and imaginations, it doesn't mean that those events had an occult origin, or that absence of a mechanistic / scientific reason equates to naturalism being false. [As if the applicable brand of naturalism was a metaphysical doctrine seeking truth status to begin with, rather than a practical methodology.]
A principle of sufficient reason -- that all properties / events of the world are interconnected in a vast network of explanation, of their having a lawful and non-contradictory interdependence -- is a nice philosophical presupposition and incentive to have for driving our production of continuing "how this happens" accounts. But a science investigation team never has nor never will be present at every time, place, and micro to macrocosmic level of the universe to verify that such an operating assumption was ubiquitously and flawlessly the case.
Heck, if physics can sport the possibility of Boltzmann Brains randomly popping into existence, then even that system's doctrinal door [if it had such] is open for rare events happening which don't stem from a "cause" or conform to or fall out of general regularities. IOW, there could be both rare isolated occurrences and fleeting sequences of coincidences which lack both a tangible natural and an intangible supernatural reason for them. A few anomalies [escaping our invented laws or our invented "how things hang together" frameworks] is not to going to spur the cosmos to crash into ruin. Unlike classical logic, the universe is not explosive, it's an ontological entity which does not suffer that kind of consequence.
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IMO, unexplained phenomena can only be explained by deduction, i.e working backward.. What were the conditions at that time, how many people witnessed the event and described it. What was the appearance or type communication that was perceived by the observers.
I always refer back to Thor, the god of thunder. almost every culture had gods for what we now know to be natural phenomena.
But OTOH, we now also know that there seems to be a form of connection and communication in the Wholeness of the universe. So while we can rule out 99.99 % of supernatural phenomena, it may not be impossible for certain individuals to have a sensitivity to say electro magnetic wave lengths, sonic wavelngths, or certain causal tensions such as atmospgeric pressures etc.
But individual experiences are seldom if ever repeatable and should just remain "unexplained events" rather than "supernatural interferences".
I always refer back to Thor, the god of thunder. almost every culture had gods for what we now know to be natural phenomena.
But OTOH, we now also know that there seems to be a form of connection and communication in the Wholeness of the universe. So while we can rule out 99.99 % of supernatural phenomena, it may not be impossible for certain individuals to have a sensitivity to say electro magnetic wave lengths, sonic wavelngths, or certain causal tensions such as atmospgeric pressures etc.
But individual experiences are seldom if ever repeatable and should just remain "unexplained events" rather than "supernatural interferences".