Homosexuality is a disease

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Excellent.

Even if you think it IS A DISEASE, it ought not to be cured, since it gives homosexuals a type of superiority. By that, I mean that they are unable to reproduce and therefore prevent the spread of our vile 6000000000 + ant-like polluting greedy selfish stupid species.

 

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Here's a question I'd like to put out.

I understand that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality and all, but what if there were a homosexual who wanted to be a heterosexual? If there were a "cure", is there anything wrong with that person wanting and taking the cure?

By the way, I was not supporting the opinion that homosexuality should be cured or that it's curable by showing that hypothetical situation. So please don't get mad at me.

P.S. I would especially apreciate Asguard's answer. You are a great debator!

 

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A gay collegue is getting married (church wedding) to his boyfriend. If I mentioned a cure I doubt he would be very pleased!

Surely it would be best to be bi?! Then you'd have the 'best' of both worlds? Although the thought of it disgusts me, if it didn't then very obviously less things in the world would disgut me and I'd be happier. (Forgive the blatant tautology)

 

Well obviously yer colleague is comfortable with his sexual orientation. What I was asking was would it be okay for someone to take the hypothetical cure if they so wished.

 

I think the stigma is because homosexuality is specifically a sexual preference. It specifies who you want to have sex with, not what your personality, politics or race is. As such, it has moral implications. The debate should be how implicit or explicit those moral implications are.

If you really want to take it apart in that context, you're argument will have to include whether you think something like bestiality is unwanted (or "a disease"), and how you draw the lines.

 

who is calling me a disease is the first question? i am Gay.
Are you bold enough to face me bare knuckle or what?

listen. look at the pattern. always look at the pattern. what did the nazis do? they called the Jews, Gays, etc diseased didn't they? they made films about it, a myth--of 'pure' (them, the nazis) and 'impure' (everyone not errr 'pure'), and the result of their vile beliefs caused unbelievable misery

so the atarter of this thread may feel it reeeel cute to title it that charming accusation, but i dont. it is evil, and not amusing

You remind me of that fool going round saying "Jesus hates faggots"...he should be VERy thankful that many of us aint snipers or he'd be face to face with his 'jesus' to see if its true

You share your sentiment of homosexuality being a 'disease' with psychiatry, before they all of a sudden changed their 'scientific daignosis' --just like that--and claimed 'sorry, no it isn't'...though some PRIVATELY!! still believe it is. more fool them

i dont personally believe anything the shrinks say. i don't believe in 'mental illness' it isn't proved. and ...some of my best friends are di-eased, and i LOVE em. so put that in your pipe and smoke it. add some of the good herb. it might make yer more inclusive of people that frighten you.

we don't bite. less we're forced

 

Athelwulf i cant work out if you are being sarcastic or for real with that but i will give you my 2 cents in the form of a question

would people think there was anything wrong if there was a cure for HEDROsexual behavior and people wanted to take it?

 

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Aborted_Fetus
+ if there was a cure for being ignorant and biggoted do you think the ignorant biggots would opt to take the cure?
-if there was a cure for sexual desire do you think people would opt to take the cure to avoid having to decide if they were going to have an abortion?
-how many parents would force their children to take the cure to remove the childs sexual desire so they would never have to deal with the idea of having an abortion/ unwanted pregnancy ?

how many people with above average Intellegence think those with average Intellegence need to be cured?

if by some chance there is anyone who comes to learn more of the facts behind such things like sexuality in this life time then they might be surprised at how childish they have been with their lack of understanding of things that to others are quite logicaly obviouse.
if you beleive in god then how more clever could god be than to challenge your level of evolution than with such ideas of biggotry as what is the path to love you might ask yourself.
if you dont beleive in god then why would it matter anyway.
AND what type of cure is required for wanting to be involved "uninvited" in someone elses sex life by telling them what they can and cant do?

 

Interestingly put, but a good point.

I agree with you but for the sake of argument I'd have to make reference to culture - some people are offended by homosexuality in the same way that most people are offended by paedophilia or Graham Norton. Perhaps their 'right' to living without disgust is that deviants (strictly in the literal sence) from the norm should practice whatever it is that they do behind closed doors.

 

i still have difficulties understanding what the word homosexual means. Of course i know what it means but to me it seems to have so many meanings.
Some might be sexual homosexuals, just interested in having sex with induviduals of the same sex.
Some might be "female" homosexuals. (sorry for that word), what i mean is that some might not see themselves as the Macho man and enjoy things that are considered female, etc the Fab 5 crew.
Some might be Gay. people who are simply homosexuals, might not be interested in the sex, nor house interiors. They might be "normal" persons, everyday people that just have different "views"

The only one of these 3 that i can see remotely related to a disease is the first.
Is this a mental or a physical disease if that is the case ?

 

A good deal of americans do have "gay feelings" homosexuality in humans isn't binary, its not just gay or straight. It comes in scale.

To simplify imagine their is a 10 point scale 1 =naturally revolted by gayness 10 = completely wrist flapingly gay. Most people are somewhere between 1 and 10 on that scale. Thats why things like bisexuals exist.

It also explains other things. Like why so many americans, especially males, hate faggots so much. Social taboo's and norms(and religion ) make them ashamed of some urges that leeds to self hatred and over compensation and projection to homophobia.

You know how over the last 10 years it became cool for women to kiss each other, well the reason is because social norms shifted and lots of females that were not gay but scored high enough on the scale to be curious decided to try.

"Curious" dudes are really worried that if the social norms shifted their curiosity would increase, and their self loathing kicks in

So yes, if you care as much as aborted fetus and Zebul, you have some feelings.

lol...
http://www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html

 

1. There are two suggested causes for homosexuality. The first is a genetic imbalance while the baby is being born. The second is abnormal behavior during childhood - for instance, a girl who is brought up by only a father is more likely to become homosexual than if she was brought up by both a mother and father. Some people (like me) believe it's a combination of the two.

2. You can stop with the meaningless "oh yeah? Well society said blacks were bad!" stuff, etc. Suppose someone told me why they thought worm holes existed and could transport you through time. How much sense would it make if I replied "oh yeah? Well scientists used to say the world was flat, so HA!"

3. I really don't think homosexuality can be classified as a "disease." I may be against homosexuality, but that's like rock 'n roll listeners trying to find a cure for people who like country music, or democrats trying to find a "cure" for republicans.

4. Human beings, by nature, strive to accomplish two things: to survive and to enjoy themselves. Anything you do can be traced down to one of these things. A man goes over and talks to a pretty lady he saw earlier, who he's never met before. Why? A. Because, ultimately, it is human nature to want to find a mate and reproduce (survival), and therefore we enjoy doing such (on the second point, we naturally enjoy most acts which continue our survival). The real difference in us from other animals is, obviously, our intelligence. We don't rely on hunting skills to get food, we develop weapons. We don't have lungs that let us take one breath every hour, we invent air tanks. We have difficulty in naturally combating disease, so we develop means to kill disease before it enters our body, and use technology to tell us what is poisonous and what isn't.

Back on survival: much of our lives, culture and society is based on reproduction. We make ourselves look and smell good to be more attractive to a potential mate. Sexuality is arguably the leading method of drawing attention to commercials, magazines, etc. People enjoy pornography because it stimulates the part of their mind that thinks about reproduction. They enjoy pictures etc. of people engaged in acts of reproduction because they naturally enjoy partaking in reproduction themselves. How can you possibly argue that homosexuality is a part of human nature, then, when it goes against our natural psyche? Of course, it's entirely reasonable to enjoy homosexuality to an extent - it's been mentioned that certain animals partake in sexual acts with other animals of the same sex, but that hardly means that they'd never attempt to find a mate and reproduce. That's absurd.

Also, I'm hearing a couple arguments based on such ideas as "Evolution has a grand plan for human reproduction" or "maybe heterosexuals are being eliminated by nature." For Pete's sake, I really think in a discussion like this the last thing we need are unrealistic, outdated theories like [macro] evolution. At least find something plausible to base your argument on.

 

Blue_UK
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I agree with you but for the sake of argument I'd have to make reference to culture - some people are offended by homosexuality in the same way that most people are offended by paedophilia or Graham Norton. Perhaps their 'right' to living without disgust is that deviants (strictly in the literal sence) from the norm should practice whatever it is that they do behind closed doors.
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thankyou for responding directly and helping to highlight a rather interesting
way some people think.
regarding the idea that violent attack in a sexual context can be likened to consenting sex between two adults.
its seems that most often those who are brainwashed and intellectualy stunted people
have a certain range of beleife systems and you have reminded me of that, which is extreemly relavent in this particular issue.
unfortunately those who are raised with and controlled by fear as most self acclaimed religouse people are, can rarely find the inner strength to break free of the fear that permiates every aspect of their own thought processes.

by using the same form of analogy such people do about this type of topic, it would be simple logic to suggest the moral vacume that must exist for the need to go every week to a place they call a church, it seems people who have levels of hypocracy set in their childhood through such brain washing rarely make it out of the cycle of fear and represion of the free spirit that is soo profoundly accentuated through the arts, and more specificly inter human relations and emotional intellegence and personality development.

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there is just such a HUGE gap in the knolledge and related intelegence in most of those who have posted for me to consider discussing anyones posts,
it would take pages and pages to get back to a point of zero to start from.

 

Don't worry. My question is for real.

I don't get what yer asking. Here's my thinking behind my question.

It's obvious that many people are against homosexuality. Well, take for example a homosexual that has grown up around these people. Then they'd be insecure with themselves. I figure they'd want to change. Ya can bombard them with everything at yer arsenal telling them they are okay, but I don't think that would work. Should we allow them to change themselves, or should we deny them the chance because the majority of homosexuals believe there's nothing wrong with them?

 

Should we allow them to change themselves, or should we deny them the chance because the majority of homosexuals believe there's nothing wrong with them?

Hmm? If I get what you're saying then, no, I don't see any reason (or method...) of "denying" them the chance to change.

 

Athelwulf what i was asking is would the genral population of people here who surport finding a "cure" be just as surportive if a hedrosexual wanted to be "cured" and become homosexual?

As for your question what if it was an aborigional growing up around racists like my family?

I would say they need to see a counciler because NONE of us can cure who we are, if that ment that they eventually changed sex's or took some cure then that is there choice but i find sad that it would come to finding a "cure" for who we are

so no i wouldnt deny them that right but i would hate those who forced them to it

 

Asguard
Good Luck trying to explain

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im not sure if you read my post or not , ... but
as you could see there was no understanding of your comment, this is because of two main reasons either they are young and have yet to reach an age where they can think intelegently, or they are brainwashed and mentaly retarded by it so they have walls and lies that construct their reality that they can not just challenge because of the teaching of fear that resides in their hearts placed by their peers groups and parents and church members.
no doubt they would think they were doing aborininal people a great service forcing their own religion on them and making them dress like puppets and walk around like zombie clones

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Or maybe it was because i didnt even read your post and was responding to someone else?