Holy Shit Ancient Egyptians were Black!!
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Serious question, because I don't know: If the ancient Egytians were black, what happened?...because they sure aren't "black" in the way most of us think of black(like African) anymore.
It is well documented that Egypt has been invaded numerous times over many millenia B.C.; they were always fighting wars to maintain their dominance. With invasion came an influx of new genes to original populations. It's not easy being top dog.
Alexander the Great, of Greece (Macedonia), invaded Egypt several centuries B.C., setting up the Ptolemaic pharaohs and the new capital (Alexandria), in which the leadership was Greek (caucasoid), but adapted the local Egyptian traditions. It remained in control for several centuries until Cleopatra's day (of Greek origin), when the Romans (also Caucasoid) took control over Greece and Egypt. That lasted for several more centuries, until Egypt was invaded again by the Arabs under the newly spreading Islamic revolution, which swept past Egypt westward, and crossed the Straight of Gibraltar into Spain, making the southern half of Spain of the Moslem culture (Grenada, etc.), until pushed back across the Straight of Gibralatar by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in the late 1400s, who also launched the exploration of the "New World" in 1492 A.D.
With all of that influx of other peoples, one would expect that the people of Egypt today are of many different extractions, a mix of many races, or a true 'melting pot' from many millenia of mixing.
It truly is at the geographic cross-roads of many races. So, that is why the people living in Egypt today do not look like the paintings from 4,000 - 5,000 years ago.
Alexander the Great, of Greece (Macedonia), invaded Egypt several centuries B.C., setting up the Ptolemaic pharaohs and the new capital (Alexandria), in which the leadership was Greek (caucasoid), but adapted the local Egyptian traditions. It remained in control for several centuries until Cleopatra's day (of Greek origin), when the Romans (also Caucasoid) took control over Greece and Egypt. That lasted for several more centuries, until Egypt was invaded again by the Arabs under the newly spreading Islamic revolution, which swept past Egypt westward, and crossed the Straight of Gibraltar into Spain, making the southern half of Spain of the Moslem culture (Grenada, etc.), until pushed back across the Straight of Gibralatar by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in the late 1400s, who also launched the exploration of the "New World" in 1492 A.D.
With all of that influx of other peoples, one would expect that the people of Egypt today are of many different extractions, a mix of many races, or a true 'melting pot' from many millenia of mixing.
It truly is at the geographic cross-roads of many races. So, that is why the people living in Egypt today do not look like the paintings from 4,000 - 5,000 years ago.
ll_darky_ll
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Logic...
The ANB angle is one that has proved successful in developing dentofacial norms for blacks in both Africa and America. Together with steep mandible angles, protruding incisors, anterior prognathism, receding chin, large facial angle (SN-M Plane) with higher lower face as compared to middle face region, these features help distinguish the dentofacial complex of persons of African descent. In addition, the royal mummies show features like elevated skull, projecting glabella, and possibly an occipital bun, all of which were common amongst the widespread ancestral African population. The mean for ANB angle among the New Kingdom Queens, for instance, is 5.803. This, along with DNA, points to Haratin (Bisharin, Afar, Bella, Fulani etc.) populations within the continental immediacy of Egypt. Scientifically, they were what we would simply call "black"...without hesitation. As simple as it sounds, they had Nilotic (Ethiopian, Ugandan, Sudanese, Egyptian) beliefs, burial customs, linguistics (Nilo-Saharan), and cultural mannerisms consistent with being Nilotic. In America, because of the Sub-Saharan slave trade, we are surrounded by Sub-Saharan blacks with sporadic admixture, we simply call them "black" though... not Pharaohs. Try looking in Enclyclopediac and University type websites, as to how they define Haratin, you can avoid bias that way.
The ANB angle is one that has proved successful in developing dentofacial norms for blacks in both Africa and America. Together with steep mandible angles, protruding incisors, anterior prognathism, receding chin, large facial angle (SN-M Plane) with higher lower face as compared to middle face region, these features help distinguish the dentofacial complex of persons of African descent. In addition, the royal mummies show features like elevated skull, projecting glabella, and possibly an occipital bun, all of which were common amongst the widespread ancestral African population. The mean for ANB angle among the New Kingdom Queens, for instance, is 5.803. This, along with DNA, points to Haratin (Bisharin, Afar, Bella, Fulani etc.) populations within the continental immediacy of Egypt. Scientifically, they were what we would simply call "black"...without hesitation. As simple as it sounds, they had Nilotic (Ethiopian, Ugandan, Sudanese, Egyptian) beliefs, burial customs, linguistics (Nilo-Saharan), and cultural mannerisms consistent with being Nilotic. In America, because of the Sub-Saharan slave trade, we are surrounded by Sub-Saharan blacks with sporadic admixture, we simply call them "black" though... not Pharaohs. Try looking in Enclyclopediac and University type websites, as to how they define Haratin, you can avoid bias that way.
Pandaemoni
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What does that prove really?
She's widely acknowledged as black and she looks like Tut.
not black, never have been. you might say i look Arabic, but really the "upper crust" has been euro/Mediterranean long before Ptolemy ever came along. point being, that there were black Egyptians just like there were white and Arabic Egyptians. just none in office.
for example; Brazil has the second largest population of ethnic blacks outside Brasil, yet the "upper crust" are all Caucasoid Portuguese.
when one thinks of Egypt in a historical context one tends to think of the pharoes and high priests, who have never been black.
Black=genetically negroid.
for example; Brazil has the second largest population of ethnic blacks outside Brasil, yet the "upper crust" are all Caucasoid Portuguese.
when one thinks of Egypt in a historical context one tends to think of the pharoes and high priests, who have never been black.
Black=genetically negroid.
Hi pothead, welcome back...
What is it though with the thread necromancy? Have we run out of "new" topics, or at least new viewpoints on existing topics?
I agree, what we really needed was some good ole fashion Eygyption necromancy so he could tell us what color he was.
thank you randy and pinwheel, for your constructive contributions. good to see you guys on topic.
I was making light of a social demographic that has been prevalent with the above mentioned races for a very long time. while including an excessively lame play on words.
I was making light of a social demographic that has been prevalent with the above mentioned races for a very long time. while including an excessively lame play on words.
Ockechukwu
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Says who? And what the hell is negroid? You are actually trying to debate on a science forum using irrelevant and inconsequential terms. If Africans with with narrow faces and button noses aren't black, then Northern Europeans aren't white. You cannot take for granted phynotypal diversity in whites yet completely dismiss it in blacks. This is the hallmark of ignorant Internet white power trolls. We blacks are actually more diverse than you, much more. For example, some of us are nearly as white as you are (with absolutely no admixture). Can you identify any white Europeans who are nearly black (with no admixture)? No, you cannot. Ergo, on this basis alone we are vastly more diverse than you.
Whenever someone trots out the term "negroid" I know immediately I'm dealing with a nincompoop. Attempting to pigeonhole blacks (who demonstrate more diversity than any people on the planet) into some stereotypical imagined "negroid" archetype represents the height of stupidity. Among my own people alone, the Igbos of Nigeria, we have people who are nearly white to nearly black. And every single human phenotype and physical characteristic is represented: wide faces, narrow faces, thick lips, thin lips, broad noses, narrow noses, lean, stocky, brown eyes, hazel eyes, green eyes, etc. This is just one ethnic group in one country. Yet I'd say we manifest more diversity than the entire white race. And we are not mixed, we are pure black.
You know what, you don't even have to look to East Africans, even many of us West Africans look like the Ancient Egyptians. There isn't a single physical trait or characteristic depicted in Ancient Egyptian imagery that is not also typical among Nigerian Igbos and other so-called Sub-Saharan Africans.
Ockechukwu
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There are black women all over Africa that look like Iman. Blacks don't have to be mixed to look like her. In fact some black people look like her but with much lighter skin.
Ganymede
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Can you please provide me what physical evidence do you have to back up your misleading and baseless claims. Here's a picture of Queen Nefertiti, and a Picture of modern day Black Woman.
Here's a video of the Egyptians explaining themselves what race they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvJ0F299kFQ
Ganymede
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soo i am guessing that this means you have never studied basic high school biology, and that you do not know that brown hair (there is no such thing as black hair, just dark brown) pigment is a very unstable one, and degrades with time into red or light brown (blonde) pigments. you dont even need to be dead for this to happen, you can often see the hair of black people degrading from a dark brown to light brown streaks and colours and even red (as mine has become because its rather long and therefore the strands are older).
Your argument is an uneducated one. i personally think that, given Egypt's importance as a center of trade, much like china was for Asia, there must have been a degree of ethnic diversity. however, it cannot change the fact that Egypt is in fact a country located on the African continent, and given that these civilizations existed from thousands of years ago, when the human population of the earth was theorized to be small and still moving away from Africa, it is essentially impossible or the ancient Egyptian people to be anything far from what you sad people call "black" referring to a 0.02% difference in DNA that was the result of adaption to hot environments. this makes it even less likely now, that the Egyptians could be white. i would like to take this moment to point out that while Rome, china and Egypt were large prosperous and rich nations, the rest of Europe was more or less a land full of barbarians, until Rome mercifully introduced civilized practices to it (which probably didn't catch on for a while because England was the best place to die of a disease in the 1400's)
the first slaves (well indentured laborers...practically slaves) who were brought to the Caribbean to work the tobacco fields were white. they didn't last long under the hot ass conditions, simply due to a lack of adaption to the environment. black skin protects against intense sunlight, and kinky hair allows the body heat to escape easily and keep you cool where as white (or low pigment) skin and straight hair is meant for the opposite (i.e absorbing more sunlight (which is limited in the northern hemisphere in terms of intensity needed to produce vitamin D) and straight hair which traps heat.)
just..please..educate yourself. You will know that you are educated when you understand that the notion of race and racial superiority/inferiority was simply an excuse for free labor to gain riches, the three G's -> Gold, God and Glory. i personally find it amusing though, that because the Egyptians were undeniably powerful and impressively intelligent for their time, suddenly the "white" people jump up and claim that they must have been white or something near white. (how SAD) because they have been so brainwashed into believing:m: that "black" people (or animals as the subliminal message teaches) can achieve that. it flatters me to no end, the "whites" want to become "black" and then make the "blacks" become "white" to maintain their own false pride. i laugh at you.:m:
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