Hinduism

Christianity killed thousands in an exterminatory series of wars called the Crusades under the cross, and lost.

The Swastika is used to represent the four cardinal directions. The reason there are 90º angles in it denotes the spin of the earth, or, the turn of night and day, life and death, the inevitable cycle of life.
There's a similar icon, the cross, with four cardinal points, that likely was formed out of similar ideas, that Jesus represents the central aspects of life, and so died on the cross. Do you see how these can overlap?

I pray that you can.

tony1, rather than just denouncing someone else's point with hypocrisy, you should rather try understanding its relationship and similarity to your own philosophy. Else you are only closing your mind and forming for yourself a padded cell of doctrines.

As I see it (and indeed I may stand alone in this) you only alienate yourself and so fight against your viewpoints.

Evil spirits laughing in their triumph? A sign of peace that generated pain? All can be said of Christianity, and so when said of Hinduism and the like so damns Christianity as well.
 
*Originally posted by spankyface
tony1, rather than just denouncing someone else's point with hypocrisy,*

If someone makes a point with hypocrisy, it probably should be denounced.

*you should rather try understanding its relationship and similarity to your own philosophy.*

What for?
For example, if someone makes a point about the non-existence of God, why would I want to waste my time trying to "understand the similarity" to my own view, when it is obviously opposite to my POV?

*Else you are only closing your mind and forming for yourself a padded cell of doctrines.*

Such clever word-play.

*Evil spirits laughing in their triumph? A sign of peace that generated pain? All can be said of Christianity, and so when said of Hinduism and the like so damns Christianity as well. *

More clever word-play.
Evil spirits aren't laughing at Christianity; they're terrified of it.
What sign does Christianity have?

And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
(Mark 8:12, KJV).

*Originally posted by kmguru
Exactly, my point*

Really?
Here is what you said your point was...

"I posted elsewhere that the Gods interacting with humans could be special software agents that directly interfaces with the programmers."

That is curiously different from God being the programmer.
As a debating style, claiming the other guy's point is actually your own, when it isn't, is rather useless in a written debate.
It works much better in a spoken debate when the points aren't actually being recorded.

*Software agents...

Bin Laden, tony 1...the viruses...same thing*

Not really.
kmguru...virus...much more like the same thing.

Viruses coopt one's computer in much the same way you coopt someone else's point.
The way viruses add no value to a computer system is very similar to the way you add no value when teaching TM, or claim the other guy's point is your own, etc.
 
The Bible is a sinkhole of "clever wordplay", buddy.

If God is the universal, understanding being you say he is, and you're so set on proving that fact, then I don't see why you don't see that it makes much more sense to relate pieces of an idea to yourself and your ideas, instead of setting them against it. Oh, you'd think, "How could this be possible while my own ideas are still possible?"

You seem to like taking peoples' words out of context. Can you not implement some of their ideas into your own, and not be so incredibly defensive, thinking a response is ONLY attacking Christianity? Can you see that a person's responses only escalate to that point when you force the concept of God onto them, thereby forcing them into a debate or to defend themselves?

Belligerent Christian.
 
Some people love to hijak the topic. Best defense is to ignore them and continue on the conversation. Soon, they will get bored and move on. It takes a while for the new members to catch on to the topic blockers.
 
someone asked me these questions on the basis of my computer programmed world HYPOTHESIS:

QUESTION:if we are indeed inside a computer system then,how can it go on for such long time?

ANSWER:I think what you"re talking is wrt this system.ie within this system,but look from point of view of person who programmed this world.time is not a problem.it is because of our limitations(since time is a limitation for us) but think without the boundaries of this system.then your doubts will melt away.


QUESTION: inside this world god also would have limitations.or software that he inserts would also have this world's limitations,then how is able to overcome these?

ANSWER:ever heard of cheat codes?well when i design something they"ll come handy in case of emergency.

any inputs would be welcome.bye!
 
Nothing to meddle,(just for information)

"GURUS" in sanskrit are teachers.
in "GEETA" these gurus were given place next to god.
Equating "GURUS"="VIRUSES" is an insult!
:mad:
i hope you understand as i respect teachers a lot.
bye!
 
Nothing to meddle,(just for information)

"GURUS" in sanskrit are teachers.
in "GEETA" these gurus were given place next to god.
Equating "GURUS"="VIRUSES" is an insult!

i hope you understand as i respect teachers a lot.
bye!

Could you elaborate on that please.

Love

Jan Arden.
 
Quite simply Guru in sanskrit is a word that refers to teacher.he is given place next to God with what he preaches and practices.in olden Indian period there were no schools,instead there were whats is called an ASHRAMS,where children of kings used to come for studying and learning through practical experiences.a typical class would consist of a story and then these gurus would ask question about what moral lesson was learned from tha story.various othr things like fighting with swords and other things were taught.in all it was an alrounf=d development of charracter.the gurus were respected a lot.Even their feet were considered to be worthy of something or the other.these ASHRAMS were mostly in midst of jungles ,for peace etc.
these gurus at the end of the schooling asked for something to give(from students,its a word i think(forgive me about my spellings)--called GURUDAKSHINA).in epic poem MAHABHARATAthere was this guy called who knew a lot about archery.he was the best student,he had learned from his guru(who was a proficient one).Then there was other.his name was Eklavya exactly.he learns archery by himself by just stealthily watching his lessons(guru's).the other guy who had learned from guru was his favorite student,but when watched eklavya he thought he might defeat this guy as eklavya was too good.it is rumored that lord KRISHNA the prominent god-figure of hindus,directed him later that since eklavya will be against the humanity(as he senses the future)so just stop him.guru then asks eklavya to give his own THUMB.and eklavya gives it to him as GURUDAKSHINA.such is the power of teachers in Indian mythology as stated.
when someone at that early period can give teacher respect,i am sure to equate gurus to viruses was an insult.!!and drove me mad.no its not that i disagree with my teachers,but i respect them for the knowledge they give to me.for the knowledge has equipped me discuus,to prove,to know my surriondings better.

for more info on eklavya look at:
www.boloji.com/mahabharata/06.htm
for further info on mahabharata:just do a google search,it"ll give you great links.

bye!.
 
Thanks guys for your contributions to this section. It is running pretty skimpy these days. Please post more...

Thanks again and happy posting.
 
Zion…

…I understand what you are saying.

They are put next to god, they are to be worshipped like God, in the same way a that if the president was not able to visit his counterpart in another land, but sent his, the deputy, is to be treated on the same level as the president, not that he is president.
In the same way, one who devotes his life in the service of God, is to be respected as though respecting God, but he is not God, and a pure devotee would be the first to tell you that.

Love

Jan Ardena.
 
Originally posted by kmguru
Thanks guys for your contributions to this section. It is running pretty skimpy these days. Please post more...

Thanks again and happy posting.
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Hi KM,

thanks for starting the thread.i want this to go on.

also,can we add some more stories about famous epics like ramayana,mahabharata, and also add scientific...er... rather pseudo-scientific views?or is this post about something else?
 
AGREED

Originally posted by Jan Ardena

In the same way, one who devotes his life in the service of God, is to be respected as though respecting God, but he is not God, and a pure devotee would be the first to tell you that.

Love

Jan Ardena.
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Hi Jan,
agreed. about devotee not being a god,it is certainly true,what my point was that teachers cant be god but they are next to god,since they were preachers of good deeds,morals etc.that is how god's world goes on,i suppose.and even if a small guy tries to teach me something correct,i would respect him.in order to learn from a person you have to respect him a lot,then only you"ll add positive and cheerful attitude towards his explainations otherwise they"ll turn out to be all RAD.

bye!
 
Hi zion,

You can add anything you like, start a new topic or expand this current topic...

I am looking for some contributions from vedas and other related historical documents that has advanced technology, thought processes and applicable to our todays society, science and technology. There are a lot of stuff out there that does not reach our neck of the woods because of language problems (translating from Sanskrit to English). In the past two hundred years, most translations concentrated on philosophy and religion and not science and technology. There is a giant book (Veda) that is a medical pharmacopia. Another one discusses Yantras (machineries) that the ancients used and so on....yet it defied translation then, perhaps because the technology described is too far ahead than the translation period of say 1945.

Just before WWII, Germans combed the countryside of India looking for recipe for gizmos and gadgets to get a competitive edge - especially Max Muller Institute....

So, go for it....
 
Hi KM,

Right now making notes for Vimanas ,but i suppose that will be more accurate for Past civilization thread.as for Vedas well i am trying to collect info,especially from Rig vedas,about the same (VIMANAS).i would like Yogamojo to give some of his info on the topic,as he knows a lot about historical evidences.

bye!
 
Flexible Hindu philosophy.

The Hindu philosophy(the original one as opposed to be created by people of India themselves)is very flexible one.this fact is illustrated by the holy lord of hindus viz KRISHNAhimself.he during his lifespan,preached one important thing:
A lie is not a lie if spoken for welfare of this world.
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he not only preached it but practised it.KRISHNA as it is rumored was a god just like Jesus who had descended as an avatar to destroy evil.from the very begining he has illustrated this fact.
like for example once during MAHABHARATA KRISHNA had sensed that if this guy DRONACHARYA who was guru of all the fellows in fighting (the one i mentioned above who also took EKLAVYA'S thumb)would continue to fight like that their own army would loose and devils will win the war.sensing that he tries out a tactic.he tells DRONACHARYA during the war itself on the battlefield,as rumored that his son has died in the war,his name was ASHVATHAMA(HOPE I SPELLED CORRECTLY),which was actually the name of an elephant who had died during the war,so drona is depressed,and sits down to take a nap,meanwhile Krishna orders to kill him during his nap,as he poses a threat to this world.he is killed.
there several other interesting stories regarding Krishna that i found on web.like for example, like lord senses himself that A guy called KARNA during mahabharata was another one who could be threatful.it is rumored that karna used to go for PRAYERS every morning,after his prayers if you ask him for any favor he never will deny.so the lord goes to the venue in form of a begger and asks him to give all of his weapons.and most importantly a special weapon that is being described as sonic bomb.at battlefield shortly he is killed by krishna,himself.

bye!
 
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KM,

about medical thing,a popular treatise written by an author named CHARAKA gives detailed botanical descriptions of plants(some 5000 plants approximately)out of these,the ones useful to man,have been singled out and their uses have been studied and written in depth.this study and usage of plants is still being used for curing various diseases's roots without any side-effects,the science is calledAYURVEDA.this is now becoming popular in fashion world,to be used in perfumes and other costmetic accessories,sice it has no side-effects.

other treatise example by ARTH SHASTRAwritten by Kautilya gives detailed desciptions of monetory policies,budget making etc.the author is popularly known as CHANAKYA.

bye!
 
*Originally posted by spankyface
Can you not implement some of their ideas into your own, and not be so incredibly defensive, thinking a response is ONLY attacking Christianity?*

Aside from the issue of incorporating nosense into my own ideas, who is even attacking Christianity in the first place?
You'd have to know what it is to attack it.

*Can you see that a person's responses only escalate to that point when you force the concept of God onto them, thereby forcing them into a debate or to defend themselves?*

So, who exactly is on the defensive?
Earlier you were saying it's me, and now you're saying it's whoever I talk to.

If everyone is on the defensive, then who exactly is attacking?

*Originally posted by zion
Equating "GURUS"="VIRUSES" is an insult! *

No, it isn't.
Gurus cause confusion, just like viruses.

*Originally posted by kmguru
Thanks guys for your contributions to this section. It is running pretty skimpy these days. Please post more...*

Thanks, I'll see what I can do.

*Originally posted by Jan Ardena
They are put next to god, they are to be worshipped like God*

I guess that means that whatever god is responsible for gurus, is pretty low to the ground.

*Originally posted by kmguru
I am looking for some contributions from vedas and other related historical documents that has advanced technology, thought processes and applicable to our todays society, science and technology.*

OK.
---The Supreme Lord said: I am death, the mighty destroyer of the world, out to destroy....---
(BG 11.32)

I guess you're toast.

*Originally posted by zion
"A lie is not a lie"*

Sounds like a lie.
 
Hi zion:

This morning, I talked to an Indian Biochemist who said that Indian BioTechnology sector is advancing at a rapid rate. They are going to review the old texts and bring them upto date with the new technologies available today. Hopefully we will find some new medicines for tough viruses and bacterias...
 
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