So you think no one would lie about a religious experience for personal gain? If that's what you think, yes, that's very naive.
I certainly don't think that everyone would lie about such things.
So you think no one would lie about a religious experience for personal gain? If that's what you think, yes, that's very naive.
I certainly don't think that everyone would lie about such things.
No one is suggesting that.
Do you honestly think that somebody would do this for money?
Do you honestly think someone wouldn't?
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Not really, I understood your point quite well enough.
What I do not understand is why such religious hooey is in this "General Science and Technology" forum. I think there are more appropriate places for such topics here, like the "Comparative Religion" forum....unless the point of the OP is trolling for emotional response. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)
When a religious person starts out their defensive counter - argument with ad homs and personal opinion instead of facts within the (ostensible) context of a rational/logical debate they immediately forfeit all credibility.
But then, religious belief is just that, and as such is not based on fact or rational thought, nor should we expect it to be.
Hey I been to heaven before, it was the time I mixed 'shrooms, dramamine and two blotters of acids. Someone quick get me newsweek interview!
Not really, I understood your point quite well enough.
What I do not understand is why such religious hooey is in this "General Science and Technology" forum. I think there are more appropriate places for such topics here, like the "Comparative Religion" forum....unless the point of the OP is trolling for emotional response. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)
When a religious person starts out their defensive counter - argument with ad homs and personal opinion instead of facts within the (ostensible) context of a rational/logical debate they immediately forfeit all credibility.
But then, religious belief is just that, and as such is not based on fact or rational thought, nor should we expect it to be.
Meningitis can be like that. Minus the euphoria. I was going to say minus the sense of crashing back to "the simulation". But he appears to be confused about which is simulated.
He must be a smart guy, being a doc and all. Notice the emphasis is on being a neurosurgeon - plain ole pseudoscience trying to appeal to authority.
Even a genius is no authority on the reality of a coma-induced dream or hallucination, any more than Timothy Leary was an authority on neuroscience and the causal connection between synapse and experience.
Oh you wise man . your opinion is very unimportant, I intended to put this post in comparative religion , but you tell me to which religion would I compare it . The man that describe his experience probable knows more about science then you and have more education in science then you , If you would come out with such experience , then I would put it religion and say that you are promoting Buddhism. .
Mazulu said:This has got to be the most profoundly stupidest thing I've heard in years. Do you honestly think that somebody would do this for money? If you had any sort of common sense, you would realize that he's saying this because it supports his religious belief system. I guess those people who don't believe in a Higher Power, those people worship money.
Aaah the Appeal to Authority, what a delicious fallacy! Let me try it "I'm a biochemist, I say that there is a life force and its controlled by tiny organisms called "midichlorians" that live inside all living beings, except robots like R2D2, they aren't alive, oh waits you doubt me? well are you a biochemist? If not then shut your mouth and respect my superior knowledge and multiple degrees on the subject. I must be right because I'm an authority on this, by the way Mark Hamill is still hot, don't doubt me I'm a biochemist!"
Now Dr. Eben being an authority should be able to provide evidence for his claims, because scientific authorities generally don't listen to each other directly but review each others evidence, science would still be several hundred years behind if we just took everyone fell for lysenkoism an took opinion as fact simply because an authority said so!
Here is something of no authority to influence me
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRSjzY0s0SM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6va_5Wf2Pc&feature=related
Apparently Alexander does not keep up with the latest developments in his own profession. Just last year there was an article explaining how neuroscientists hooked up a scanner to the brain of a man who had been comatose for a long time. They began to notice odd patterns in the waves. After more investigation, they realized that the patient's brain waves were synchronized with their own conversations. He seemed to be hearing their voices and reacting to them!"According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent," Alexander writes in the cover story of this week's edition of Newsweek.
If you are all so sure that no afterlife exists in spite of all of the evidence and messages, then I ask you this: why the need for wave-functions?
Why don't you ask them yourself? They're standing over you aetherically. They're right there. Just open up to them.What do the Alien voices in your head tell you about the afterlife?
"Do you want us to pull the plug?"
Aside from the music, that's what I would want to "talk" about. Immediately. This sounds like the world's worst nightmare.