God given rights?

Xelasnave.1947 said:
If indeed..faith is just belief without evidence so it can support anything...it is usually wheeled out when theists are confronted with facts that establish they have nothing to support their fantasy that a creator and exists..there is no creator as the universe has always been and has no need to be created for it is eternal..no start no end...that is the way of it so no creator to give out god given rights that are without a evidence of their source.
Seeing you are unable to answer the question as to here the Sun goes at night I do wonder if anything you say can be taken as credible.
If only Jan was here he knows something of which you speak ..you and he would probably find common ground.
Alex
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At the same time you can easily be religious to knowledge...
 
Beer w/Straw said:
But you're not, lol.
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I didnt even know what faith was, except that it was specialthing. The nature manifest as spontaneous thought "I, believe." Then later on I am able define faith in life as hope and it creates happiness aswell, me knowing both things all along. Even though I did science in all my greatness I believe in forgiveness, and still I was correct. "Forgive me of my trespasses as I forgive those who trespass against me." Assuring my place fore archangel Lucifer, the light bearer.
 
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Xelasnave.1947 said:
I feel Jan's presence .its like he is still here.
I do hope he is alright and not gone under a bus or fallen off a tall building..he should be alright you know being on such good terms with you know who..and if hit by a tr inuck why would you worry given what awaits...in fact maybe he could not wait and tried to cash in his ticket to fantasy land.
I am afraid to ask but are you home yet or still swiming?
Alex
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Jan was good for a bit of comic relief but did you notice NOT A HINT OF HUMOUR

Then he became tiresome

In touch with local federal government minister who is in touch with DEFT who are doing ?????

Inul opened up her food court last night in which I have a unofficial share. Not really but when we shop, give her enough to cover plus extra. Inul saved and turned the extra into some of the small appliances

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Inul Dad Dad wife Son Me at opening

Decided not to swim :(

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kx000 said:
At the same time you can easily be religious to knowledge...
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I think I know what you mean...the implication I expect that as with religion there can be a certain excessiveness in the pursuit of the ideal..is that it?
Your effort to point out possible problems is reasonable and it must appear that I am a vigorous Athiest that appears to you full of knowledge but does not actually know a thing...sure you can only see that however if we were to go thru step by step and ask why does anyone believe there is a god and deal with each specific we unfortunately find my generalisations are correct and supported by real evidence that you can touch.
If we deal with specifics we can find where a god came from and who invented that God, such a quest settles the matter yet dealing with such trivialities are always set aside to engage in logical discussions as to why and why not there is a god.
I can tell you why, not because there is a god but to fill a roll of higher authority and that makes sense as you can either control your population by a strong military or police force for which you have to pay to enforce your laws or you can have a god who the people are not only happy to abide by his laws but pay well for the priveledge and quote his words as authority for whatever they choose to do from being charitable to committing murder in fact as well as allowing one to avoid personal responsibility and having someone to blame rather than ones self.
Atheists may just be the next stage in humans evolution where they function without stories and myth to manage croud control or morality and rather deal with the reality of our insignificance rather than avoid facing that reality.
Alex
 
The universe is naturally passive. Love is in the air... happiness too. Those are natural rites.
 
kx000 said:
The universe is naturally passive. Love is in the air... happiness too. Those are natural rites.
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The Universe is ..............

Any word you put in place of the dots is YOUR INTERPRETATION

Nothing NATURAL about interpretations

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kx000 said:
Explanation is a great treasure in the heavens that God can have.
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Still playing the one note tune

Becoming tiresome

Get a life THEN find something to do with it other than waste it with stupid made up con job rewritten fairy tales

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Michael 345 said:
Oh like the soaring eagle see the rabbit but is not looking at the sun

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When the Sun sets in the saucer of milk the cat will sing to the cuckoo clock.

I can explain it if it is too deep but I am sure kx000 knows exactly what I mean..he knows these things.

It has to do with the end times, that being the setting of the Sun, and obviously the saucer of milk represents all things that are, not those things that are not..many fail to make that distinction...the cat clearly is a parrallel to the higher part of society ..the priveledged few in fact...and to sing to the cuckoo clock is no more than a reference to the final pleadings the cat will make in the end of days re his propensity to lay eggs in the nest of others for his personal benefit at the detriment of the one who laboured to build that nest. It is only by hiding this truth in this way that it's message can be passed between the brethren who would be killed if they exposed their wisdom. The clock inclusion ..well we both know what that means when placed in this context.

Alex
 
Write4U said:
Of course I never said anything of the sort. But if you want another example;
"How EINSTEIN Arrived at E=MC2" http://www.stresscure.com/hrn/einstein.html
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Again, you fail to comprehend the actual science. Einstein's intuition didn't come completely unbidden. It came from knowledge of Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Lorentz, etc..
And then there's this:
Mass–energy equivalence arose originally from special relativity as a paradox described by Henri Poincaré. [1900] Einstein proposed it on 21 November 1905...
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Albert Einstein did not formulate exactly the formula E = mc2 in his 1905 Annus Mirabilis paper "Does the Inertia of an object Depend Upon Its Energy Content?";[3] rather, the paper states that if a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2. (Here, "radiation" means electromagnetic radiation, or light, and mass means the ordinary Newtonian mass of a slow-moving object.) This formulation relates only a change Δm in mass to a change L in energy without requiring the absolute relationship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass–energy_equivalence


According to scientific folklore, Albert Einstein formulated this equation in 1905 and, in a single blow, explained how energy can be released in stars and nuclear explosions. This is a vast oversimplification. Einstein was neither the first person to consider the equivalence of mass and energy, nor did he actually prove it.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/was-einstein-the-first-to-invent-e-mc2/​

So you keep insisting it's all observation, even though the mass-energy equivalence wouldn't be demonstrable until 1932-33. Hence the discovery was through reason, not observation. Again showing your complete lack of scientific understanding on any subject you post about.

Maybe one day you'll actually learn enough that you can avoid posting nonsense.
 
Michael 345 said:
Now you know clocks are only arbitrary measurements of non existent TIME :)
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Yes yes but you must remember this was written when clocks were no more than recent inventions using mechanical apparatus gears etc ...now fit that in and the deeper meaning is revealed which can only be understood by the higher order of the brethren...I think he just came in.
Alex
 
Vociferous said:
Einstein's intuition didn't come completely unbidden.
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So fundamental and both recognised and understood encapsulated in the throw away line..standing on the toes of giants ..or something like that.
Vociferous said:
Maybe one day you'll actually learn enough that you can avoid posting nonsense.
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You really should resist the urge to simply repeat the good advice you receive from others, but perhaps realise their advice was for you to act upon so as to look less foolish rather than disregard it and poorly use it as a weapon to insult others who are besting you in an arguement.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
You really should resist the urge to simply repeat the good advice you receive from others, ...
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The difference is that I actually detailed all his errors. You know, providing some substance for refute, if he really thinks he's capable. Claiming others post nonsense without any real argument to that end is just a bare assertion. And all of yours have already been roundly refuted, at least until you got vacuously repetitive.
 
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