geomagnetic reversal, loss of magnetic shield, pain, suffering & death

exchemist said:
It seems a very balanced article to me. What do you find hyperbolic about it?
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nothing really
except
that ain't when h.s. neanderthalensis went extinct
their numbers seemed to have had a major decline about 70,000 years ago and some survived for another 40kyrs
though there seems to have been another major decline at @40-42kybp, about the time claimed in the linked article
and
this was the 1st time that i read of a magnetic pole reversal at 42kybp

so
I run it past other well read and intelligent people for their thoughts
thanx
 
oops
what i had read as a geomagnetic pole reversal i should have understood as an excursion
which is a short term partial(?) pole reversal

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see earlier posts
it felt like something was off
i just hadn't understood what
 
sculptor said:
nothing really
except
that ain't when h.s. neanderthalensis went extinct
their numbers seemed to have had a major decline about 70,000 years ago and some survived for another 40kyrs
though there seems to have been another major decline at @40-42kybp, about the time claimed in the linked article
and
this was the 1st time that i read of a magnetic pole reversal at 42kybp

so
I run it past other well read and intelligent people for their thoughts
thanx
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I think it is interesting that these people have pointed out the potential for pole reversals to affect the biosphere, through increased radiation flux.

But there have been numerous pole reversals, as recorded in the magnetisation of the ocean bed. I have not seen anyone associate these with detectable effects in the fossil record, though I must admit I have not followed this closely.
 
exchemist said:
I think it is interesting that these people have pointed out the potential for pole reversals to affect the biosphere, through increased radiation flux.

But there have been numerous pole reversals, as recorded in the magnetisation of the ocean bed. I have not seen anyone associate these with detectable effects in the fossil record, though I must admit I have not followed this closely.
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and then
there is this
"A study of 28 deep-sea piston cores from high and low latitudes shows that during the last 2.5 m.y. eight species of Radiolaria became extinct. Prior to their extinction these species were widely distributed and became extinct isochronously throughout their geographic range. Six of the eight species disappeared in close proximity to magnetic reversals recorded in the sediment. Careful determination of the level of disappearance of these six species by counts of over 400,000 individuals shows that the correlation between reversal and extinction levels is indeed striking. The probability of six out of eight species extinctions showing this degree of correlation with reversals by chance is very small. ... "
https://www.researchgate.net/public...s_and_Reversals_of_the_Earth's_Magnetic_Field
 
sculptor said:
oops
what i had read as a geomagnetic pole reversal i should have understood as an excursion
which is a short term partial(?) pole reversal

...........................
see earlier posts
it felt like something was off
i just hadn't understood what
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lots of conspiracy stuff out there in the UFO area about pole reversals & extra terrestrials coming to earth to help humans survive them etc etc etc yadda yadda yadda

modern science was not entirely convinced such a thing was possible until only a decade or soo ago

the reality appears to signify a significant event
human fascists love a good biblical hysteria about the end of the world to sell more cool-aid

point of note
the war on science which has been waged by the alt-right for the last 2 decades to suppress climate change & pollution science from making it into the public media

this is the time when science was verifying magnetic pole shifts into scientific data.

OBLIVIOUSLY. . .
the new flavour of cool-aid is "pole-flip"
& thus rendering climate control regulations & carbon neutral goals as being pointless
"because pole-flip"

dont worry about climate change & pollution & new government regulations & housing and sea level rise ... why ? ... because pole-flip(say no to regulation because pole-flip & baby jesus

Links for you to browse

part of the variant generic centre of the road alien story around pole shift information via UFO networks which has been around for decades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

BBC scientific info studying pole shifts
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52550973

Scientific America scientific info studying pole shifts
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...field-flip-could-happen-sooner-than-expected/

these are the people the alt-right have been waging war against for the last 25 years
http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/ice-cores/ice-core-drilling/


these are the type of scientists who have been studying these things with rock drilling glacial drilling & sea bed core drilling
they are comprised of some of the most highly advanced scientists from around the world.

from the bbc article not the wobble off axis which gives earth its seasons & ocean circulation & is the probable reason advanced life exists on earth.
that wobble changes and is on a cycle somewhere between 20 & 30 thousand years
sculptor said:
your thoughts?
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(how a 40,000 year cycle relates to that is unclear if its deliberate miss information or if it is vague rough calculations attempting to use psychological associations of number values to attract certain types of thinking/people)
i may have a wee look into it if i remember to to see where the 40k number comes from assuming its not counter psyche to combat # association with Australian aboriginals & the current 40k history civilization time line media message[but my #1 priority is finding a job & a place to live].
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Earths axis wobble cycle
NASA
The cycle of axial precession spans about 25,771.5 years.
The cycle of axial precession spans about 25,771.5 years. ... There's also apsidal precession. Not only does Earth's axis wobble, but Earth's entire orbital ellipse also wobbles irregularly, primarily due to its interactions with Jupiter and Saturn. The cycle of apsidal precession spans about 112,000 years.27/02/2020
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https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/
 
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RainbowSingularity said:
lots of conspiracy stuff out there in the UFO area about pole reversals & extra terrestrials coming to earth to help humans survive them etc etc etc yadda yadda yadda

modern science was not entirely convinced such a thing was possible until only a decade or soo ago

the reality appears to signify a significant event
human fascists love a good biblical hysteria about the end of the world to sell more cool-aid

point of note
the war on science which has been waged by the alt-right for the last 2 decades to suppress climate change & pollution science from making it into the public media

this is the time when science was verifying magnetic pole shifts into scientific data.
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How true

sibling rivalry

cognitive dissonance

incorporeal hereditament

that's what they want you to think
 
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/

2000


soo it kinda looks solid
but ...
i recently read/watched some stuff on the cycle of the cycles
so the 25k year cycle is crossed with another cycle
so the potential massive change in climactic conditions may be subject to a certain amount of random variable inside a cycle of 25k years interacting with a factor of something else.
i stopped taking too much attention when they started discussing the variables as i realized it presented a statistical probability of randomness which appeared solid(to my general basic comprehension).

boiling it down a little
how does the circulation of the molten iron core correlate to the axis wobble shift cycle ?
is this a measurable cycle or a chance factor randomization ?


https://www.livescience.com/2897-earth-magnetic-field-flip-flops.html
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Every so often, Earth's magnetic field flips on its head, turning the magnetic North Pole into the South Pole and vice versa.

It last happened 780,000 years ago, and is predicted to occur again in about 1,500 years ... maybe. The overall frequency is hard to predict — there was one period in Earth's history when the field didn't reverse for 30 million years.
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RainbowSingularity said:
Links for you to browse

part of the variant generic centre of the road alien story around pole shift information via UFO networks which has been around for decades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

BBC scientific info studying pole shifts
_93037923_earth_s_stormy_heart.jpg

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52550973

Scientific America scientific info studying pole shifts
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...field-flip-could-happen-sooner-than-expected/

these are the people the alt-right have been waging war against for the last 25 years
http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/ice-cores/ice-core-drilling/


these are the type of scientists who have been studying these things with rock drilling glacial drilling & sea bed core drilling
they are comprised of some of the most highly advanced scientists from around the world.

from the bbc article not the wobble off axis which gives earth its seasons & ocean circulation & is the probable reason advanced life exists on earth.
that wobble changes and is on a cycle somewhere between 20 & 30 thousand years

(how a 40,000 year cycle relates to that is unclear if its deliberate miss information or if it is vague rough calculations attempting to use psychological associations of number values to attract certain types of thinking/people)
i may have a wee look into it if i remember to to see where the 40k number comes from assuming its not counter psyche to combat # association with Australian aboriginals & the current 40k history civilization time line media message[but my #1 priority is finding a job & a place to live].
_112413178_fa33792f-4f92-40f2-af28-6e2c816ec0a3.png


Earths axis wobble cycle
NASA
The cycle of axial precession spans about 25,771.5 years.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/
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from your linked
"Still, there is no evidence that a weakened magnetic field would result in a doomsday for Earth. During past polarity flips there were no mass extinctions or evidence of radiation damage. ..."
um
NO
 
sculptor said:
from your linked
"Still, there is no evidence that a weakened magnetic field would result in a doomsday for Earth. During past polarity flips there were no mass extinctions or evidence of radiation damage. ..."
um
NO
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i am not sure how well read you are into these subjects
i have years of experience & a fair amount of depth which gives me perspectives as tools.
1 of those is filtering out or translating splain sheople ass kissing comments.

mainstream media & many journalists including church writers, will include a sentence to write off the empirical alarmist nature of the truth.

some take it to artistic levels.
their fear is scarring people with their article so much people not only refuse to believe plain science, but they then vilify the writer.

thus the comment you have highlighted.
you have to de-code that & throw it away as required.

vague conclusive statements of emotional attachment by a writer is of no real scientific use for the hard science.
and it is hard science that is the only important factor.

the sentence de-codes as "i dont think it will be really that bad, i feel like i dont want to worry to much about things that are scary"
emotive splain cheer leading chant for emotional support as a fear response, possibly well curated to the audience they are imagining or intending to seek repeat calls from.

you have to reduce it to the simple options
you can spend all your time investigating their emotional conditions
or you can spend your time investigating the hard science

i didnt proof read the articles i linked for emotional bents & leanings or writers preference, just basic science data inclusion toward theme concepts & numerical values.

sculptor said:
"Still, there is no evidence that a weakened magnetic field would result in a doomsday for Earth. During past polarity flips there were no mass extinctions or evidence of radiation damage. ..."
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starting a science conclusion statement with "still" is a bit of a give away.

There is significant hard science data that suggests potential of significant changes to human based habitats from changes occurring during the changing of earths magnetic field.

"pole flip"
is a word like "jihadist"
it has about the same level of hard science value inside an American christian environment

Earths magnetic polarity recently "flipped" with little to no real hard human impact

but that doesn't sell clicks to religious Armageddon worshiping suburban liberals.

dont get drunk on the fumes of the cool-aid your trying to test for cool-aid properties
 
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ok
1st --- geomagnetic excursions are a tad out of my wheelhouse
that being said
I'm learning something new and having one helluva good time doing so.

A geomagnetic excursion ain't a complete nor long lasting pole flip, and they happen about 10 times more often than complete pole flips.
We have had the same poles (brunhes) for about 781,000 years (so far)(which seems to be longer than the average)
Meanwhile, there may have been 12(or more) excursions during that time.
From what I've been reading, there does seem to be some correlation between extinction events and geomagnetic excursions when earth's magnetic shield is weakened-----------much more study seems warranted.
 
sculptor said:
ok
1st --- geomagnetic excursions are a tad out of my wheelhouse
that being said
I'm learning something new and having one helluva good time doing so.

A geomagnetic excursion ain't a complete nor long lasting pole flip, and they happen about 10 times more often than complete pole flips.
We have had the same poles (brunhes) for about 781,000 years (so far)(which seems to be longer than the average)
Meanwhile, there may have been 12(or more) excursions during that time.
From what I've been reading, there does seem to be some correlation between extinction events and geomagnetic excursions when earth's magnetic shield is weakened-----------much more study seems warranted.
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nuclear/biological/chemical war
climate change
pandemics
render it all fairly pointless

i guess staying on point
large meteor strikes and/or volcanic eruptions combined with a excusionary event may suggest different outcomes

trying to filter through all the self interested "the end is nigh" religious self affirmational stuff is tedious & time consuming.
also their surrounding fan fair of those young n ignorant who simply increase noise tends to swing off search ability from search engines

makes me think of a good conspiracy thread to start
 
Michael 345 said:
Buy your Anti Magnetic Pole Reversal tin foil here

Guaranteed to keep your South Pole pointing south and the iron in your red blood cells flowing in the right direction

:)
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lol
fyi
what the unseen real risk is
the earth magnetic field shifting on its axis, which has been documented.
this then aligns it to not be as effective in keeping out the suns radiation
so it then radiates certain areas of the world.

on the rare occasion this might correlate with a sun flare CME coronal mass ejection(solar storm/wind/flare)
this would cause lethal radiation to which ever part of the world the hole was being orientated toward

there is circumstantial evidence to suggest that some cultures and people & their culture have normalised inside this reality
via deep cave like citys & cultures of wearing mud masks
recent re examination of cave drawings suggesting the ocra was used as a sun blocker.

it may well prove that these events of extreme radiation may be more frequent and un documented in any way.

so while its fun to lol about things & poke fun
those new solar monitoring satellites are not there for decoration

countrys like india & china having a large portion of its population outside
... in the worst case scenario
may end up with tens of thousands of 2nd degree radiation burns

this would simply be above & beyond their capacity to cope & i assume martial law would be installed & people would be put in camps to die by the thousands for lack of ability to treat them and to prevent wide spread collapse of modern society.
there is some suggestion that india may have used this ignorance is the only survival aspect toward covid19 & the real indian death toll may well be in the millions
probably only around 0.001% of the deceased will be getting covid19 tests

the above reality appears to have been carried out by several countrys the usa being one of them in their own way, simply ignoring the virus as it spread.

so keep in mind
as you joke about pole flip
i see the real death tolls of such leadership thinking & public support & actions
it helps to keep a sense of humor
most people cant cope with the reality
 
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RainbowSingularity said:
lol
fyi
what the unseen real risk is
the earth magnetic field shifting on its axis, which has been documented.
this then aligns it to not be as effective in keeping out the suns radiation
so it then radiates certain areas of the world.

on the rare occasion this might correlate with a sun flare CME coronal mass ejection(solar storm/wind/flare)
this would cause lethal radiation to which ever part of the world the hole was being orientated toward

there is circumstantial evidence to suggest that some cultures and people & their culture have normalised inside this reality
via deep cave like citys & cultures of wearing mud masks
recent re examination of cave drawings suggesting the ocra was used as a sun blocker.

it may well prove that these events of extreme radiation may be more frequent and un documented in any way.

so while its fun to lol about things & poke fun
those new solar monitoring satellites are not there for decoration
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I have replied to your word cytoplasmatories :)

:)
 
OK
I seem to have an advantage here in that: I have no desire to control nor change the world.
So, I can just enjoy the learning experience for what it is.
Meanwhile: It seems that during an excursion, the poles do not flip, they just meander about. And, where they meander seems difficult to pin down, as information from different sites seem to place the meandering poles in different locations.
I suppose that chaotic is as good a descriptor as any. What this means for the magnetic shield remains unknown.
this from:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley...html?file=/doi/pdfdirect/10.1029/2008GL034719

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sculptor said:
geomagnetic reversal, loss of magnetic shield, massive environmental disruption, extinctions

ok
headlines aside
was the magnetic reversal of 42000 years ago really as bad as portrayed in science
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-capture-last-collapse-earth-s-magnetic-field

or
are the authors exercising hyperbole?

your thoughts?
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For many years Dr. Albert Einstein took the rather scary assertions of his friend Immanuel Velikovsky rather seriously.

The building up of ice on Antarctica continuing until a polar shift occurs is logical and rather sobering.

This could help to explain why we have not yet seen significant ocean level rise in spite of all the melting off the world's glaciers plus off the land based Greenland Ice Pack????

"Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
miles of ice each year--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
the Gods, page 480).
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