Freudian Paradise.......?

[invert_nexus]

Gendanken,

Say it

Didn't I?
Oh. I get you.
Right.
I was suggesting it.
But I suggested it quite plainly.
Doesn't make a difference?

There's a problem here though. What I was saying there was based on what I thought you were saying. A misinterpretation.
But, I'll say what I was saying if my interpretation had turned out to be right.
It would mean that you don't have an avatar because everyone else does.
In other words, you'd be be guilty of defining yourself by not being something.
A goth.
But, my interpretation was wrong so I can't say that.

I think you're a stool-grooming toady with his head in the clouds,I think you're a moron with way too much couch-time, lord knows you have herpes or syphillis- worse- Psudophilositis or a Posturing-oma.

Ta-da. Just said it.

Ok. Then if this is true then that makes you a queen.
A posturing, toady-loving, arrogant queen.
And an ignorant queen at that.
I don't worship you.
Never have.
Never will.

And the gossipy smarm just keeps sendin' and sendin' their tripe about others and then whine about you never responding to it.
And it fills up yer box and you can't hit anyone.

And then the arrogant queen complains about the silence when the gossipy smarm doesn't overwhelm as she has grown accustomed to.

Xev,

You're SIMPERING. Stop SIMPERING.

Nope. Just admitting my faults.
What? Am I supposed to just deny it because they're faults?

And you quoting the twit-that-shall-not-be-named on how your purty gender was being "feminized"

Oh please don't deny it, I'll just find more quotes.

Why should I deny it? I didn't quote the 'twit-that-shall-not-be-named'. I merely said in passing that he made an argument about the subject once.
As to more quotes. Yes. You can find more, but none of them would be me bitching about how my gender is being 'degraded'. I spoke about a touchy-feely thing. And yaddah yaddah.
You're taking my words to extremes.
See the problems with extremes?

Well, you can, it's just that you do on a regular basis.

What do you mean by regular basis?

Gendanken's intrusion showed me a different dynamic.
But now I see several.

Exactly. Several.
No one is a one-dimensional image.

This goes back to what I was saying about 'sharing' and how we hadn't. Before Gendanken came in on her rampage I only shared myself one-dimensionally. Not being purposefully deceitful but rather just not going into exquisite detail.

However, to others who I've opened up in an honest manner I am not one-dimensional.

Interested? No. I posted how I damned well feel about the matter. Since I'm horny too much of the frickin' time, I've spent too much frickin' time thinking about the matter. I shared my opinion, and unlike some of us, I have no unseen motive for doing so.

Uhm. I wonder if you've got the wrong idea on what I mean by interested. I mean that you were interested in the conversation.

I think the quote was that it was a matter dear to your heart at the moment. Something like that.

We both had something to gain from this.
Understanding ourselves.
At least that was my 'unseen motive'.
(What has she been telling you? What is it that she thinks I'm doing here?)

I'm finding it stimulating to share my opinion, a bit helpful, and now I have to realize that there's some stupid hidden interpersonal dynamic here.

No, I'm still interested - maybe even more so. I find your character to an extent sympathetic, yet there's something here to unravel.

No. There wasn't a hidden interpersonal dynamic. This was about me. About my feelings. This interpersonal shit didn't come in until today.

My motives are simple. I have this feeling. I have a definite attraction. And I wanted to understand it. That's all it was.

As to you unraveling me.
Good luck.
My walls are thick and my honesty is probably just another brick in the wall.
I'm in the process of unravelling myself.

You see, if you hadn't thrown that vacuous "deep within the male psyche blah blah I'm a weakling and I need to grab my dick for validation" in there, I'd have commented on the knight thing. It's something else I've given thought.

It is, isn't it?
Embedded in the male psyche?
I don't go around wanting to be a knight in my intellectualism.
This urge rises from within.
It's an urge to build a house. Cut down a tree. Plant a field. Kill a kraut.
Have at thee!
Perhaps my wording was campy. It happens sometimes.

But see then you have to protect whatever interest you have in gendanken by jumping up and down squealing "I don't want Xev! I am just talking to her!", ah, great dude. Look I'm not interested in you either, but I sure as hell wouldn't dump a whole conversation because of it.

I didn't dump the conversation because of that. I dumped it because you jumped in ridiculing me.
I was in the process of responding to your post when I refreshed the page and saw you attacking me. It was this that led me to believe that you were no longer interested in the conversation.

 

[gendanken]

I can almost smell it, but not quite.

Keep this in mind, Invert Nexus.
Chivalry.

And then the arrogant queen complains about the silence when the gossipy smarm doesn't overwhelm as she has grown accustomed to.

Hardly- a causual inquiry on what may be wrong with you is complaining?

At any rate- I was referencing folks like- I'll leave her/their name out of it- but anyway, folks like so and so that like to send tons of messages saying

"Ugh- have you seen what Xev said about Wanderer? What do you know? Are they like a 'thing' and like, are you mad at me?"
Annoying.

Getting sleepy, night.

 

[Xev]

invert nexus:

Ok. Then if this is true then that makes you a queen.
A posturing, toady-loving, arrogant queen.
And an ignorant queen at that.
I don't worship you.
Never have.
Never will.

Drama!

Why should I deny it? I didn't quote the 'twit-that-shall-not-be-named'. I merely said in passing that he made an argument about the subject once.

Well, used his words. In between referencing this and that and this person and that person.
Argument still stands. You complain about how it's not natural for a man to be expected to be sensitive and sweet, and then you turn to mush yourself.

What do you mean by regular basis?

Throughout this thread. Don't bother telling me that I'm just jealous not to be the focus.

This goes back to what I was saying about 'sharing' and how we hadn't. Before Gendanken came in on her rampage I only shared myself one-dimensionally.

Her "rampage"?
Hurt that you're not getting any pussy out of the deal? So far's we know, she's never given it up.
You figure this out, and all of a sudden it's not a "oh, look at Gendanken mock that stupid person", it's "oh, my god what a bitch"

"She loved me for my brutishness, would make any excuse for it, as long as her precious person was secure!"
-Heathcliff, Wuthering Heights

You're attracted to a woman like that, although you'd mock any man who was honest about his reasons, because you think she could protect that pwecious sensitivity. That she wants to, and will do so if you hit the right keys. Because obviously she wants you. And doesn't her harshness inspire you? You'd be such a may-un to subdue that, to keep her from pushing you away.

As to you unraveling me.
Good luck.
My walls are thick and my honesty is probably just another brick in the wall.
I'm in the process of unravelling myself.

Oh jesus christ. I don't want to unravel you, I want to unravel this and to an extent, what you represent.

It is, isn't it?
Embedded in the male psyche?

"The desire to be a 'knight' is something that is embedded in the male psyche. I can't suppress the protective urges that rise within.
But, the sharing of self is far more fruitful."

What you said.

I didn't dump the conversation because of that. I dumped it because you jumped in ridiculing me.

Actually, look at the sequence. I started ridiculing you because I realized what was going on when you stopped replying to me and focused on appeasing what you thought was her jealousy.

 

[invert_nexus]

Gendanken,

I can almost smell it, but not quite.

Yes. That was definitely a part of the gestalt. I had hoped. Still hope.

Keep this in mind, Invert Nexus.
Chivalry.

I will indeed.

Hardly- a causual inquiry on what may be wrong with you is complaining?

Ok. So complaining isn't the right word, perhaps. But the point is that you like me overwhelming you.
Despite yourself. You fucking like it.

At any rate- I was referencing folks like- I'll leave their name out of it- but anyway, folks like so and so that like to send tons of messages saying

"Ugh- have you seen what Xev said about Wanderer? What do you know? Are they like a 'thing' and like, are you mad at me?"

Oh yeah. Cuz names are soooo out of it. Yes? This is one big anonymous party, yes?
Woohoo!! I'm totally naked right now!

Yes. I've said things such as this. And, when I do I often qualify it too, don't I? Don't I say something self-deprecating like "(Yes. Gossip. I know.)" Or something similar?

I do have a gossipy side, but it is the least prevalent of that which makes up Invert Fucking Nexus.

Hmm.
While we're at it.
Xev, you've had a fun little show here today. What is up with you and Wanderer? You hate him now? Has he ever been in you?
Yeah. Gossip. Gossip.
Fuck it.

I knew who neither of you were. You were absent all summer (or were you? ) But, so and so kept bringing them up in one form or another.
(Yes. You're right. Let's leave names out of it.)

Getting sleepy, night.

Goodnight, Gendy.

 

[invert_nexus]

Xev,

Drama!

Indeed.

Argument still stands. You complain about how it's not natural for a man to be expected to be sensitive and sweet, and then you turn to mush yourself.

No. My main point of discussion was about touching. The rest was all... incidental.
And, even if I did make it appear that I was not 'sensitive' at all in this manner, then that would merely be an aspect of my one-dimensional communication with you.

I've spoken the truth, but not the whole truth. And dotted in with joking half-truths and/or half-lies. All to defend my precious self down at the center.

I'm really a nice, sentimental kind of guy. I do have 'manly' parts about me. This is undeniable. But, just look at the things I've said in here. Men go for pussy not for mind.

I'm sort of an enigma wrapped in a mystery cloaked in shadow... or something.
Maybe I just need a shower.

Throughout this thread. Don't bother telling me that I'm just jealous not to be the focus.

Jealous? You know you are.
Kidding.

I've referenced Gendanken what... once? Maybe twice?
Fraggle once.

I suppose my memory is the fault here. I remember things. I listen and I remember. My brain connects things. I'm a pattern finder and it does this obsessively.

Her "rampage"?
Hurt that you're not getting any pussy out of the deal? So far's we know, she's never given it up.
You figure this out, and all of a sudden it's not a "oh, look at Gendanken mock that stupid person", it's "oh, my god what a bitch"

I call Gendanken a bitch at least two or three times a week. Sometimes a day.
My opinion of her really hasn't changed because of what's been said in here. She has made me angry and if she really sees me as a puppy (which I doubt) then I will really have to reevaluate my evaluation of her. Not because she's not putting out (I mean get real. This is the internet. There is no 'putting out'), but because I wouldn't even know her.

The Gendanken I know would kick a toady down the stairs and not mince words about it. If she has seen me in such a light and kept it to herself then that would mean that she's a Gendanken I don't know.

And that would mean that I've been wasting my time.

You're attracted to a woman like that, although you'd mock any man who was honest about his reasons, because you think she could protect that pwecious sensitivity. That she wants to, and will do so if you hit the right keys. Because obviously she wants you. And doesn't her harshness inspire you? You'd be such a may-un to subdue that, to keep her from pushing you away.

I'm a stupid man and don't entirely understand what you just said.
Something along the lines of the Taming of the Shrew?

What you say about hitting the right keys seems to indicate an artifice. A wearing of masks in order to win the day. To gain the goal.
That would be contrary to my interests.

Oh jesus christ. I don't want to unravel you, I want to unravel this and to an extent, what you represent.

Yes, you do. Here. There's a loose string here in my pocket. My hands are full, reach in and grab it for me, will ya?

Ok. I get you. Sorry. I am a man and many things have been said about the male ego and many of them are undoubtably true. But, I wonder if there is really such a difference to the female ego.

What exactly do you think this is and what I represent?

"The desire to be a 'knight' is something that is embedded in the male psyche. I can't suppress the protective urges that rise within.
But, the sharing of self is far more fruitful."

What you said.

Yeah. I don't deny that. I'm just saying that what's wrong with what I'm saying?
This instinct (or cultural imposition) is inside. I don't cause it to happen. It just does.

Actually, look at the sequence. I started ridiculing you because I realized what was going on when you stopped replying to me and focused on appeasing what you thought was her jealousy.

Well, I did concentrate on her post and then immediately posted while working on yours.
But, I understand what happened.
I thought you might have been upset that I called you a whore. I was joking as I thought was apparent.

I'll go back and respond to that post.
Tomorrow.
Or later tonight.
I've sat here and stared at this screen for far too long today and too many taxing things have occured while doing so.

 

[Xev]

invert nexus:

No. My main point of discussion was about touching. The rest was all... incidental.

*Shrugs*
Incidental or not, are you denying that quote - that it is not good to expect men to be sensitive, that doing so erodes gender barriers and harms society?

I've spoken the truth, but not the whole truth. And dotted in with joking half-truths and/or half-lies. All to defend my precious self down at the center.

How boring. You could be hurt by these little ascii?

I'm really a nice, sentimental kind of guy.

How boring times two.

But, just look at the things I've said in here. Men go for pussy not for mind.

At this point I wouldn't speak for men. Many men have told me the same thing, and I did what I usually do with such statements: took it at face value and didn't believe it.
You would really want sex with a flatchested, hook-nosed, acne ridden woman because of her mind? Sorry I do doubt that.

Maybe I just need a shower.

Might be me, apparently I produce noxious fluids in scent glands near my anus, which I can release if threatened.

I've referenced Gendanken what... once? Maybe twice?
Fraggle once.

Fraggle, Gendanken, water, someone besides that.

I call Gendanken a bitch at least two or three times a week. Sometimes a day.

You follow her around like a puppy, don't give me that.

Not because she's not putting out (I mean get real. This is the internet. There is no 'putting out'), but because I wouldn't even know her.

Putting out "mentally".

Now, I know she's using me for something in this, that I don't see the purpose of, but I have no clue what goes on here.

Ok. I get you. Sorry. I am a man and many things have been said about the male ego and many of them are undoubtably true. But, I wonder if there is really such a difference to the female ego.

Try harder.

What exactly do you think this is and what I represent?

Piece of a puzzle.

Yeah. I don't deny that. I'm just saying that what's wrong with what I'm saying?

I reiterate - those who claim the chivalrous urge are ugly. You've got her on her pedestal, but those you don't put on pedestals (pardon the pedestrian metaphor) you spit on. You'd hurt if you had half the chance, if you had the balls. But you're sweet and smushy and oh so sensitive (read: afraid) so you don't.

Chivalry appeals to enforcers, frightened souls who want to fight but don't feel secure combatting something bigger than themselves. So they align themselves with whatever seems biggest, and they go and they pick on whatever deviates from it.

"And it is not merely the despot's body to which the paranoiac lovingly aspires, but the body of capital-money as well, or a new revolutionary body, the moment it becomes a force of power and gregariousness. To be possessed by this body as well as possessing it; to engineer subjugated groups for which one becomes so many cogs and parts; to insert oneself into the machine to find there at last the enjoyment of the mechanisms that pulverize desire - such is the paranoiac experience"
-"Introduction to Schitzoanalysis, Deleuze and Guattari"

In the form of the Lady, sex and the Bigger Thing wed. You're fond of talking about your dick, so perhaps the Phallus is that archetypal "Bigger Thing", her lack of the phallus defining her and thus refining it. Certainly Freud would think so, because in the Bigger Thing of the Socius, the woman's penis envy and the man's rebellion are resolved - he says sublimated.

The SA were chivalrous, their chivalry homo rather than hetero romantic, but still the same. Every jock beating up a geek is chivalrous, his chivalry narcissistic but still the same. Chivalrous, chivalrous, fascist. It's all the same engrained authoritarianism that our species, rising from the chimps, is cursed with.

knew who neither of you were. You were absent all summer (or were you? ) But, so and so kept bringing them up in one form or another.
(Yes. You're right. Let's leave names out of it.)

I was away a lot, but I posted on occasion. Gendanken was here, wasn't she?
Sorry I have a life outside the internet, and don't need it to gossip.

Anyways I hope you're happy, everyone's watching the show. H-hmm, need a new flame war now.

 

[invert_nexus]

Xev,

First the new, then the old.

Incidental or not, are you denying that quote - that it is not good to expect men to be sensitive, that doing so erodes gender barriers and harms society?

I said that there is a good argument to be made for it. Not that I was making it. I was merely discussing possibilities that came into my mind as we were discussing cultural mores and instilling of values.
Do I deny it? That the argument is, in fact, a faulty one? I can't. Nor do I affirm it. I don't have enough information about it and haven't spent much time considering it in any kind of detail.
However, weren't you right there with me talking about weak men and paving forests?
I think you were.

How boring. You could be hurt by these little ascii?

Oh yes. Quite boring. After all, you tell everything about yourself. Yes? I know the whole Xev and nothing but the Xev?
Give me a break.
I've exposed more of myself here than most people ever even think about.

How boring times two.

Yawn.
Doesn't mean that I'm not a vicious, raving animal too though.
You think too one-dimensionally.
First you saw me one way. Now you see me another.
What of your quotes of whoever the fuck it was about raising his kids during the day and going off to be a killer at night? You don't find it difficult to imagine that and yet here you become 'bored'. X2 even.
I guess you can only be a sensitive killer in Norway?

/edit:
I really should qualify what I mean by being sensitive. I don't really think that I can lay claim to it. Usually. I do get emotionally close to some people some times. But generally I'm not very in touch with my emotions. I don't understand them and mostly ignore them.
And, I'm not a touchy feely guy.
But, I am a nice guy. Polite and all that.
Bah. It's too late at night to start going on about this shit. Suffice it to say that my claim of being a 'nice sensitive guy' is a bit complicated.
/end edit:

At this point I wouldn't speak for men. Many men have told me the same thing, and I did what I usually do with such statements: took it at face value and didn't believe it.
You would really want sex with a flatchested, hook-nosed, acne ridden woman because of her mind? Sorry I do doubt that.

See what I'm saying about extremes? I'm surprised you didn't bring in a thalydamide baby or some other hideous deformity.
What if I'm a skinny, hook-nosed, acne ridden man?

Anyway, I understand your doubt. And there is a point that even the most attractive mind can't make up for the sins of their body, and yet that point might be quite far along the road to ugliness. One can't say in advance how ugly one is willing to go. Only time will tell.

Fraggle, Gendanken, water, someone besides that.

Oh yeah. That's right. I mentioned Water because she always goes on about diachronic and synchronic states. So? She's the only one here that says such things so why shouldn't I associate the idea with her? The point was valid. You ignored it though, didn't you? Interesting. A piece of your puzzle.

And someone else? Hmm. You've made me curious now. Who else would I reference? I'm going to go look.
Ok. Just looked and found no one. You sure?

Anyway, each time that I reference someone else I do it because they are associated with the idea that I'm talking about. I suppose I should consciously stop and edit out any names from now on so that I can't be labeled a dirty gossip?

You follow her around like a puppy, don't give me that.

You could say that. But, that doesn't mean that I've not called her a bitch. Nor that I don't do it regularly.
Ask her yourself.

Try harder.

What you mean try harder? I understand your point. You told me that you didn't want to unravel me. And I made a joke about the male ego. What's to try harder about? Because I brought in questions of the female ego as a tangent?

Piece of a puzzle.

Have you found the secret pieces yet?
They're hidden where the wild ascot's grow.
*wink wink*

Anyway. this is the problem. Now it's a piece of a puzzle. Whereas before it was a conversation on sex with friends. A subject that was near to your heart. You were interested in one thing. Now you're interested in something quite different.
I won't last much longer in this regard, I'm afraid.
We've lost what we had in common in this thread.
Ah well. Like I said, I've worked out a few things in here. And even if you didn't, I thank you for your input.

I reiterate - those who claim the chivalrous urge are ugly.

Reiterate? You've said this before? Must have been some other thread?
Anyway, you make interesting points about chivalry and knighthood and I wonder if this isn't part of what Gendanken had in mind? Certain keywords are in place.
Keep this in mind. It wasn't I who spontaneously brought up the concept of knighthood. And I wasn't aware of all these points that you've brought up when I laid claim to having such instincts.
What I was talking about is more of a protective instinct for those you care about. Which is why I talked about building a house, and cutting down a tree, and yaddah yaddah.

I was away a lot, but I posted on occasion. Gendanken was here, wasn't she?
Sorry I have a life outside the internet, and don't need it to gossip.

Ok. If you say so. May'be i'ts j'ust anoth'er ru'mor. S'ome gossip from oth'ers. Some ca'nt do any'thing but gos'sip.

Anyways I hope you're happy, everyone's watching the show. H-hmm, need a new flame war now.

Yeah. I'm soooo happy. It wasn't me who opened the curtain and turned on the stage lights.



Out with the new and back to the old:

So you won't buy me furs?

No.
Well, maybe a coat made from cat fur or something. I know a guy downtown who can get them cheap. (Was that gossip? I just referenced the guy downtown. Uh oh. I just can't stop. His name is Fast Freddie, by the way. His sister's name is Gertrude. Her ass is huge and she'll let you suck it for a dollar.)

Damn men.

No. Damn women.

What's wrong with extremity? You only live once.

Extremity blinds you to the other extreme.
Extremity leads to fanaticism.
Extremity is a knee-jerk reaction.
Extremity is non-controlled.
A lack of options.
A lack of clarity.

Of course, there are many things in the world and some may benefit from extremity while others wouldn't.
So, even this distaste for extremes shouldn't be taken to extremes.
This leads to a sort of middle ground, relativistic stance, but even relativism is an extreme.

Judgement. That's what's needed. Case by case judgement. And extremity tends to eradicate judgement.

Oh, I wondered what Gendanken was about. I figured she was signifying that you were one of those troll-like creatures that try to engage me in conversation in the hopes of moving to private message and then maybe me flashing my boobies.[/quote[

Would you? Flash me your boobies? Love to see them. (Your real boobies, not the blue footed kind.)
Kidding.

In a way you are, I mean you are pretty damned social.

I suppose I come off that way. Under the right circumstances. And I've definitely been going on in this thread. But, it's because, as you've said, the topic is near to my heart at the moment.

I still deny that I'm hyper social though.
I'm sort of a mix. Caught in between states.

Her comment, not mine.

Of course, but the Cassanova statement was yours. And my earlier statement could easily be misconstrued to mean that I've been getting horny from this thread.

Nope. Curb your ego, will ya.

Negative. My ego knows no bounds.
(I was joking. Sort of.)

 

[Lava]

Are you deliberately obtuse or just stupid?

It seems so, I guess I was unrealistic to expect anything better.

Lava

 

[Xev]

invert nexus:

However, weren't you right there with me talking about weak men and paving forests?
I think you were.

Indeed. I was in favor of the hippies.
You didn't like their peace and love bullshit.

Oh yes. Quite boring. After all, you tell everything about yourself. Yes? I know the whole Xev and nothing but the Xev?

Nooo - why would you? I'm not here looking for love, apparently unlike you.
Change the user title to "needy".
"Needy needy needy, I want constant reassurence, that people care about meeee."
Gossipy, clingy, desperately trying to get Gendanken's attention, sensitive, neeeedyyy.

It's hilarious, both your need and your attempt to conceal it. "I'm not a touchy-feely person!" "I don't really understand people!"
So you go and you chat with whoever about whatever their pet theory is, and oh by the way did you notice that so and so said such and such a thing? My, we're such intellectuals! We have pet theories, and we backstab like Southern Europeans, and then we talk about wildly misconstrued scientific or philosophical ideas! Hell, we're so special! And omg Jenny did you see that so and so said such and such to so and so?

You understand people just fine.

Give me a break.
I've exposed more of myself here than most people ever even think about.

And...I'm supposed to respect you for spilling your guts on some forum?
Yech.

What of your quotes of whoever the fuck it was about raising his kids during the day and going off to be a killer at night?

Varg Vikernes. Do you spend all day reading other people's posts?

You don't find it difficult to imagine that and yet here you become 'bored'. X2 even.

Umm. Well, first off, well like fifteenth time off:

I. Don't. Give. A. Shit. About. You.

You're starting to sound like those Emo kids who threaten suicide on their Livejournals. Err....yeah. You spilled your guts, you're a brooding sensitive type, I care.

But, I am a nice guy. Polite and all that.

Jesus, if you get brownie points for being polite things have really gone downhill.

Being polite doesn't make you nice. It doesn't make you sensitive. It doesn't make you a "good person". You are SUPPOSED to be polite. It has nothing to do with being sensitive.

See what I'm saying about extremes? I'm surprised you didn't bring in a thalydamide baby or some other hideous deformity.

I was thinking a cleft palate

You could say that. But, that doesn't mean that I've not called her a bitch. Nor that I don't do it regularly.
Ask her yourself.

Why?

Reiterate? You've said this before? Must have been some other thread?
Anyway, you make interesting points about chivalry and knighthood and I wonder if this isn't part of what Gendanken had in mind? Certain keywords are in place.

Why don't you just bloody well confess your crush, let her kick and mock you, pick up the pieces and go get a real life?

Ok. If you say so. May'be i'ts j'ust anoth'er ru'mor. S'ome gossip from oth'ers. Some ca'nt do any'thing but gos'sip

Apparently.
It's hideously amusing that you've been gossiping about me via private message and yet where I can see you, you're such a polite, respectful thing. "Oh Xev, what a good point, thanks for sharing"

Typical "nice guy". Passive-aggressive little shmuck, around you he's just such a ball of shy polite niceness that you feel kinda sorry for him. Of course behind your back he's a snarky little shit.

"But women don't like nice guys, they only date assholes! Unlike me, I mean sure I chatter like a sophomore and backstab like a sleaze, but I'm so nice in front of them, why do they see through me?"

You know I once made the mistake of taking a coworker out, cute enough guy, bored me to death, found other means of entertainment. Spent the next three months hearing from people I didn't even know that I'd slept with him.

Nice guy and all. Has a good network of other nice guys spreading the rumours like pigeon shit. Sound familiar, eh?

Extremity blinds you to the other extreme.

Wow, that's stunningly original.
It can also be - fun. Anyways we were talking about love. Who wants to have sex half-assed? Oh, right, "nice guys".

I still deny that I'm hyper social though.

Don't bother, you just admitted to gossiping with other forum members.
How fucking pathetic is THAT? I sneer at the people at work for gossiping about our coworkers, you're gossiping about people who don't even EXIST. Holy shit you are lame.

Of course, but the Cassanova statement was yours.

Yup, and it appears I was right.

And my earlier statement could easily be misconstrued to mean that I've been getting horny from this thread.

It could be - if anyone CARED.

Negative. My ego knows no bounds.

Typical of needy people.

 

[invert_nexus]

Xev,

Nooo - why would you? I'm not here looking for love, apparently unlike you.

Wrong about that. I'm not looking for anything other than myself. I've already told you that I don't know what love is. I would like to understand it. But I don't. And, the things I have found I found without looking.

Change the user title to "needy".

I'll cut you a deal. Needy Pornosopher. How's that?

It's hilarious, both your need and your attempt to conceal it. "I'm not a touchy-feely person!" "I don't really understand people!"
/.../
You understand people just fine.

So, now I've been lying this whole time? If you want to believe it, then believe it. So much easier that way.

So you go and you chat with whoever about whatever their pet theory is, and oh by the way did you notice that so and so said such and such a thing? My, we're such intellectuals! We have pet theories, and we backstab like Southern Europeans, and then we talk about wildly misconstrued scientific or philosophical ideas! Hell, we're so special! And omg Jenny did you see that so and so said such and such to so and so?

With whoever? No. Not whoever. I will discuss things with people when I'm interested in what they've got to say, but I don't just chat with whoever.
I talked in here so much because the matter was near to my heart.
That's all.

And, who am I backstabbing? You?
How so? By the occasional gossip?
Extremes. See how they get in the way?

Also, I like the part where you disparage my intelligence. That I talk wildly about misconstrued scientific or philosophical ideas. That was good. Do it again. That really got to me.
Know what's funny about it?
Two days ago you apparently felt completely different about the situation.
This sudden shift thing is amazing.
Does this happen to you often?

And...I'm supposed to respect you for spilling your guts on some forum?
Yech.

Interesting. So, first she says I'm boring because I'm scared of ascii and then she says theres nothing to respect in being open.
I didn't spill my guts. I've already said this. You know barely anything of me. But, even that little amount is more than most would 'spill'.

Hmm. I'm tempted to still try to continue the conversation in a productive manner, even though I know it won't work.
I'll say this. I've said that this thread has served a purpose for me. That I had something that I wished to understand about myself. So, I 'spilled my guts' just enough to feed the conversation to feed back to me in such a way that I might consider my problem better. I spilled my guts for myself. Not for you. Or for anyone else. I did it for me. And if you don't like the things that I've spilled, then meh. Doesn't matter. I didn't do it for you. Although, we once had a mutual interest in the subject before you lost the path.

Do you spend all day reading other people's posts?

No. I only read my own posts. That's what these forums are for, aren't they? So that you can so your name (pseudonym though it may be) on the screen? I mean, come on. You think I've read anything here but my own posts? Pshaw.

Seriously, was your post supposed to be private? Should have put the clothes hanger on the door knob, I guess. Or did I just miss it?

And then "yak yak yak, did you hear what Xev said about Varg Vikernes? OMG! He's like, a Nazi and all that. That must mean Xev is a Nazi, omg lol wtfbbq111"

Interesting. I make a point about man not being a one-dimensional being by referencing your own words and you simply ignore the point and think that I'm calling you nazi.
You don't like being labeled a nazi. Do you? You've mentioned this before. And here you are applying this label of labeller to me. As if I cared. Nazi or not, it doesn't matter. You've said interesting things in here. A pity that it's over. Oh well, as I've said, I've learned some things. Couldn't ask for more really.

Hmm. I wonder if I should mention that I only pm one person on these forums. And she's not into gossip. So, who am I gossiping all this to? Nobody.
Nah. That would be pointless. She'll never believe me. After all, I'm now hidden behind the mask that she's crafted for me. The one-size-fits-all mask that she keeps in her purse next to her mace.

Umm. Well, first off, well like fifteenth time off:

I. Don't. Give. A. Shit. About. You.

Why do you keep repeating the obvious?
I've also said this. This isn't a revelation.

You're starting to sound like those Emo kids who threaten suicide on their Livejournals. Err....yeah. You spilled your guts, you're a brooding sensitive type, I care.

Nope. I was making an honest effort to continue the conversation. My mistake. Should've known better. Stereotypes have now become prevalent. Interesting. We were talking about stereotypes in here once upon a time. Before the subject moved on.

Jesus, if you get brownie points for being polite things have really gone downhill.

Not asking for 'brownie points' nor am I wanting them. I'm merely stating facts.
It doesn't matter anymore. You've moved on.

Being polite doesn't make you nice. It doesn't make you sensitive. It doesn't make you a "good person". You are SUPPOSED to be polite. It has nothing to do with being sensitive.

Should have known better than to throw that in quickly. I said it was late and I made it plain that I wasn't expressing it properly and that it was complicated. I know that polite, nice, and sensitive are all different things. I meant it more like, "I'm a nice, polite guy." As in two adjectives. Didn't mean polite to be expressed as a subset of nice or vice versa.
And, as far as 'sensitive' goes, that's the point. That it's not so simple.
Anyway, shouldn't even be spending this time on it. And I probably wouldn't if I wasn't still interested in the topic at hand. Still being selfish and putting forth information so that I can chew on it.
And, I just realized that I didn't even need to qualify the original statement. I had been thinking I said "nice, sensitive guy" when I actually said "nice, sentimental guy". So, I didn't need to explain that I'm not in touch with my emotions.
Oh well.

I was thinking a cleft palate

Wouldn't that be weird? Surgery can fix that right up though. Although speech therapy is required and if done late in life would probalby not be very effective.

Oh, I was thinking of the "a certain Slovenian". I mean hell, you even know she's interested in blah blah blah?

Ahh. Duh. Yeah. You got me there. That is straight gossip. All the rest is on topic but this was extraneous.
Water is from Slovenia. I was referencing another thread where we talked about Bill Gates. So, still on topic. Somewhat.
So the score is Gendanken several times.
Water twice.
And Fraggle once.

Why?

No reason.

Why don't you just bloody well confess your crush, let her kick and mock you, pick up the pieces and go get a real life?

Confess it to who? You? Pshaw.

It's hideously amusing that you've been gossiping about me via private message and yet where I can see you, you're such a polite, respectful thing. "Oh Xev, what a good point, thanks for sharing"

First of all, I'd like to say that the impression you've received is a bit misleading. It's been made to sound like I spend all day chatting about the doings of Xev and Wanderer. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
However, I do admit to asking questions about you on occasion. To pointing out certain threads and certain comments.
But, this is certainly not an every day thing. Or even a weekly thing. Or perhaps even a monthly thing. I sure as hell don't fill up any inboxes with chatty gossip about you.
Don't get caught up in the hyperbole.
Or do. Whichever trips your trigger.

And as for this "good point" bullshit, my occasional gossipy comments about you do nothing to detract from the conversation we've had. You've made many good points. Many things that have helped me. And I do thank you for sharing. (Although it should be stressed that this is a different type of sharing referenced earlier.)

Typical "nice guy". Passive-aggressive little shmuck, around you he's just such a ball of shy polite niceness that you feel kinda sorry for him. Of course behind your back he's a snarky little shit.

"But women don't like nice guys, they only date assholes! Unlike me, I mean sure I chatter like a sophomore and backstab like a sleaze, but I'm so nice in front of them, why do they see through me?"

Yes. Now you've got it all figured out.
Everything is so simple now, yes?
I like how you place these words in my mouth for you to ridicule.
I like how when I made the original statement which was a far more subdued and tentative version of the first sentence in your 'quote' you didn't even blink.
I like how suddenly everything is different.
Interesting.

Nice guy and all. Has a good network of other nice guys spreading the rumours like pigeon shit. Sound familiar, eh?

Not really. Sorry to disappoint. You don't believe me, of course.
I'm sorry you've had this bad history with nice guys and blah blah.
I don't appreciate you placing their masks on me though.

Wow, that's stunningly original.
It can also be - fun. Anyways we were talking about love. Who wants to have sex half-assed? Oh, right, "nice guys".

Oh. I meant to stun you. I didn't succeed? Drat. I'll try harder next time.
And, we weren't talking about sex. We were talking about being open and honest. Need a refresher?

I would say that the contact with another mind is stimulating. On the other hand one requires personal space. It's not an all or never type thing.​

Ring any bells? I'll give you a hint. You said it. And I replied that you made a good point and that one should be wary of extremity.
I shouldn't be so sarcastic. That was from the old post. Shouldn't expect you to remember what you said earlier in the day after all the added bullshit.

Don't bother, you just admitted to gossiping with other forum members.

No, I didn't admit to that.
As I've said, I only talk privately to one forum member.
Well, I did have some correspondence with one other upon a time, but it wasn't really... there. Turns out that everything we needed to say to each other could be said quite easily in the forums.
.

How fucking pathetic is THAT? I sneer at the people at work for gossiping about our coworkers, you're gossiping about people who don't even EXIST. Holy shit you are lame.

Hmm. Maybe we do have something in common in this thread still.
Another piece of a puzzle.
You're an alter ego then?
If so, then all the things that you've said about your real life and relations with men are spurious as they don't connect with you. They connect to some other person. You are a personality and not a person.
Thanks for telling me. That does have an effect. I had, of course, been figuring for the walls, but not for a completely manufactured personality. What are you like in real life? Care to tell me? You don't need to go into extreme details. Just your general personality and how it compares to your online persona.

Yup, and it appears I was right.

Not quite.

It could be - if anyone CARED.

You did once.
No. Not about me.
But about the conversation.
It's really a pity that it ends like this.
But thus is life.
Perhaps you can get over your newly acquired vision of me and we can participate in some other thread some other time?
If not, then I do sincerely hope that you've gained something from this talk ather than just a bad impression of me. I hope that you've found something to add to the thoughts you've been having over your own difficulties in life.
If not...
I really don't care.
(Yes. So original, right? The non-caring thing is tactic #37 in the forumites handbook I believe. What's interesting is that it's obvious that you don't care and you don't need to belabour the point. It makes it look as though you do. And, yes, I realize that this is tactic #38 in the handbook.)

Oh. By the way, I hope that you weren't expecting more from me along the lines of a flame war or anything. It's not really my thing. And I'd only devote myself to such for someone I do care about.
Ah. Here. I'll throw in one juicy guttural obscenity.
You Cum Guzzling Queen!!!!!
There.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Wow! I never thought this thread would be that good! 89 posts and 1,402 views!
Shocking! I guess lots of people are interested in the subject....

 

[gendanken]

*this is fucking hilarious*

Really- poor Invert has not only suffered a Manchurian incident in this thread but he's banned as well.
No wonder one feels an ogress at times.

Jig's up Invert:
Only making you squrim, we both are- if you've taken it to heart, suck and get over it.
My apologies (really).

Yet you are what happens with those who claim the "nice guy" routine- you swear on your mammy your gender's been all emasculated, that you role play, suppress, or "become" and blame ethics for your squalor but truth is that when cornered to prove it you can't even spit

But you'd like to- even better if someone else does, but not at you. Looky, so courteous and kind yet salivating for "Gendy” to log back on after the weekend to maul an offense from some forum member.
"Let's get 'em', gendy- " no, how's this "Damn that's disappointing, thought she'd bite his head off"- sound familiar?
That get you hard?
Those in the Springer audiance getting off on women hitting each other, how are they any different from these 'intellectuals' that like 'feisty' intellect?

And for "nice" guys who just want to "protect", secure, help, and love (and Invert I dare you to do like an idiot and project yourself in the following, I'm speaking in general):

One) quit saying you want to give security, asshole- say security guard
There is a reason why "Unlawful Entry" was sinister.

Two) the most powerful- in fact only- weapon on a nice guy is flattery which means he can only snag those prone to it

Which also means it makes those not even more appealing, because like all the needy they gauge their worth by their inventory- some would use the euphemism of “male instinct” but we’re not going there.
They’re nice guys and use the oh-so friendly language of trust and commitment, as the virtuous would when frustrated:

Even that is a form of control- you can think of "trust" as most people do, or you can think of it in terms of what its nature is.
It is a reliance on the 'good' nature of others in the hope that they will not exploit your vulnerability.
I always picture a timid boy petting a wolf- he's saying "I know you're a good boy, yes you're a good boy, right? You're not the savage beast from Grimm, right? I know you won't eat me, you're my friend"- yet he's trembling because the transaction is leaving him vulnerable.

You tame others for your aspirations in this way:

Its done by softening the mechanism of control with friendly words like 'trust'.
Say I 'trust' you to someone and you've limited their mode of actions- now they must take you into consideration where none was before.

You let a man know that you prize him in giving him this thing you yourself prize and you've struck a bargain that manipulates his thinking.
Since its forged in emotions, not reason, its supposedly trickier to betray or get rid of."- Gendanken

That's where one is compromised- show some claw or- worse- indifference or reluctance and he's suddenly reminding you of past favors with that nice attitude of his insisting that you 'trust' him.

“Right, fair, decent” said Peter.” Either the person saying them believes in those concepts or not. If not, then those words mean that he’s got somebody standing behind me with a knife in his hand. And if he does believe them, then those words mean that I’m winning and they know it”

And it isn’t even a gender issue- most people are like that, which is why people are shit.
Keep it nice and humble, a few friends or so, one even- where you don't have to put up with these fucking games of snooping out an agenda or getting duped by one for being an idiot.

Truthseekr:

Wow! I never thought this thread would be that good! 89 posts and 1,402 views!
Shocking! I guess lots of people are interested in the subject....

You're fresh air but its not the subject they’re interested in..

 

[Lava]

This thread seems revealing, not re the original topic, but re how human interactions tends to lead to complete disrespect all round.


Lava

 

[an>roid.v2]

This thread seems revealing, not re the original topic, but re how human interactions tends to lead to complete disrespect all round.

MMmp-mmmp, sister. Isn't it delicious! American burlesque at its finest, with absolutely *no* climax!

 

[TruthSeeker]

This thread seems revealing, not re the original topic, but re how human interactions tends to lead to complete disrespect all round.


Lava

Yeahh.... a lot my threads are like that....