French newspaper attacked by Muslims!

[Asguard]

i find it facinating that the americans here are critising another culture constantly over there reaction to disrespect but you dont hear them jumping up and down over THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment

oh and theres this of course

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/68604/DEATH-TO-ALLEGED-SUSPECTED-FLAG-BURNERS.html

 

[Asguard]

and more

" Dear Ali,

I would hate to see the day arrive when someone could burn and stomp on the American flag in a United States city without receiving a punch in the nose from some passerby..."

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/burning/flag-burning.html

 

[spidergoat]

i find it facinating that the americans here are critising another culture constantly over there reaction to disrespect but you dont hear them jumping up and down over THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment

oh and theres this of course

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/68604/DEATH-TO-ALLEGED-SUSPECTED-FLAG-BURNERS.html

We might if it was a REAL THING. But it isn't. There is no law prohibiting the burning of flags or for that matter, writing about how burning a flag is really annoying.

 

[GeoffP]

find it facinating that the americans here are critising another culture constantly over there reaction to disrespect but you dont hear them jumping up and down over THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment

oh and theres this of course

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...G-BURNERS.html

Except of course that there's already an equivalent in most countries including Saudi Arabia. The religious issue arises in addition to laws against flag-waving: no one is required to treat any religious figure in some deferential or respectful way, and there is no reason they should be. If I want to wipe my rear end on a Torah, a Bible or a Quran, who is to say that I cannot?

Perhaps you could show some kind of equivalent hysteria in the American population after the burning of an American flag. Which riots did it start? Which newspapers were burned down?

 

[GeoffP]

Actually, I'm going to give this one another kick, because it deserves a little footy time: so Americans, individually, bitch about people burning flags (the actual act, as SG points out, not being illegal). This is equivocal to burning a newspaper out?

 

[Michael]

I for one completely reject that (Muslims should get used to seeing Islam made fun of), and I hope that vast majority of Muslims in the West are of the same opinion.

That stuff about assimilation is just bullsh.t.

Muslims are supposed to accept people trampling over what we hold sacred?

Yes. I suppose the best argument I can make is: Suck It

Islam hurts Fundamental Christian's feeling every single time it suggests Jesus was not the Messiah God. Let's make sure you understand that:
Islam hurts Fundamental Christian's feeling every single time it suggests Jesus was not the Messiah God. So? What are Christians to do? What is your response? It's this: Suck It.


It basically works like this: Muslims will get used to it. Just like their nutty funddie Christians cousins So, suck it up baby, because you're going to see more and more people poking fun of Baby Jabeezus and his playmate Mo Mo.

 

[Asguard]

Except of course that there's already an equivalent in most countries including Saudi Arabia. The religious issue arises in addition to laws against flag-waving: no one is required to treat any religious figure in some deferential or respectful way, and there is no reason they should be. If I want to wipe my rear end on a Torah, a Bible or a Quran, who is to say that I cannot?

Perhaps you could show some kind of equivalent hysteria in the American population after the burning of an American flag. Which riots did it start? Which newspapers were burned down?

and americans became an opressed people when?
Of COURSE people who are opressed are going to act out more than people with power

 

[quadraphonics]

What doesn't empower it?

Not treating it like some kind of major geopolitical event that needs to be countered with violence, for starters.

If people could summon the maturity and self-assurance to simply blow stuff like this off, then there'd be little incentive for its authors to create and disseminate it.

I remember reading somewhere that Europe barely shakes off the blood from its boots before venturing on yet another bloodbath.

Pretty much, yeah.

The irony of Europeans preaching nonviolence is just too hard to swallow.

It's an ego-defense reaction to living in the shadow of US military dominance. These guys ran the world for centuries, and now instead of admitting that they're weaklings they dress it up as a choice on their part that represents moral enlightenment relative to the USA.

 

[quadraphonics]

So once again, I have to ask, when Europeans talk about assimilating with the country you move to, which one of their successful examples of assimilation are they referring to?

USA would be an obvious example. Also, Canada and Mexico.

 

[quadraphonics]

I just find it highly offensive that the French use their so called secularism as an excuse to further marginalise Muslims in their society and other morans who are only too trigger happy where Muslims are concerned are happy to jump in with their standard free speech catechisms, which btw, are nowhere to be seen when it comes to the right of people to live without persecution as minorities in western countries especially when the economy of such countries is driven by a full time occupation of bombing Muslim countries for frivolous reasons.

You're talking about the same France that vocally opposed the invasion of Iraq, leading to the "Freedom Fries" spectacle?

You seem to elide between "the west" and specific countries in a particularly cheap way, often to the point of making a hash of the situation.

So yeah, I am not impressed with the French freedom of speech at all, I don't think they set a good example of religious tolerance that anyone would want to follow.

I'm pretty sure that the French are all about setting an example of secularism, rather than "tolerance" or even "multiculturalism" as such.

 

[GeoffP]

and americans became an opressed people when?
Of COURSE people who are opressed are going to act out more than people with power

Oh, really? Like the Copts in Egypt, perhaps, who became so oppressed that Egyptian soldiers had to drive APCs over them.

I don't accept this position, Asguard: the actions of these religious sensitivities towards Charlie Hebdo are no different than those of religious reactionaries in Islamic nations, where they are certainly not oppressed by their religious minorities. It indicates that this has nothing at all do to with "oppression" and much more to do with religious hatred and intolerance on the part of the (probably Islamic) firebombers.

Simply put, it is not for religious fundamentalists to dictate the actions of people inside or especially outside their faith. Sam feels differently, I know: namely, that might makes right. I hope you don't subscribe to the same ethos.

 

[cosmictraveler]

Aren't religions a really fun thing to be involved with.....:tempted:

Makes everyone just want to run out and join something doesn't it....not.

 

[chimpkin]

If you actually burn a flag Officer Friendly will charge you with arson.

 

[adoucette]

i find it facinating that the americans here are critising another culture constantly over there reaction to disrespect but you dont hear them jumping up and down over THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment

Which of course didn't pass the Senate so it never come close to becoming an Amendment.

But the issue isn't that, they firebombed the building, and the last cartoon caused the deaths of 50 people.

Try to keep some perspective.

oh and theres this of course

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/68604/DEATH-TO-ALLEGED-SUSPECTED-FLAG-BURNERS.html

Ah, Dave Barry writes HUMOR pieces.

There is no one calling for the death penalty for burning a flag Asguard.

Arthur

 

[S.A.M.]

Irrelevant.

How about this one then? And yup, still not the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia [or David] still the secular USA publicly funded bus system

Riding Together on Sex-Segregated Bus
Men and Women Divided by Curtain on Ultra-Orthodox Routes

The public commuter bus between Brooklyn and the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community of Kiryas Joel has cushioned seats, small televisions and another, more unusual feature: a heavy blue curtain that hangs from the ceiling and separates male and female passengers.

On a bus ridden by reporters from the New York World and the Forward, men and women walked and sat on opposite sides of the divider which runs nearly the length of the center aisle. And a female reporter who sat on the wrong side of the divide was asked to move, though left alone when she declined.

The commuter buses are operated by Monroe Bus, a private firm that received nearly $1.6 million in government funding from the New York State Department of Transportation between 2009 and 2010 to operate commuter lines to and from Kiryas Joel in Orange County, N.Y. The sex-separated seating arrangements on publicly subsidized commuter routes — viewed by many of the ultra-Orthodox riders as an accommodation to Jewish modesty requirements — are said by one advocate to violate civil rights laws. Yet the details of how they are enforced may be crucial in assessing the practice’s legality.

“That practice is unlawful,” said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, of the curtain separating men and women on a public bus. “You can’t require separate sections for men and women any more than you can based on race or national origin.”


Read more: http://forward.com/articles/145607/#ixzz1cnf0qBLc

I can just imagine the media if it was Muslims doing this. In New York

 

[S.A.M.]

USA would be an obvious example. Also, Canada and Mexico.

Ah yes. Of course.

Would you recommend the American model of assimilation to the Muslims in France?

 

[James R]

Moderator note:

This thread was troll bait from the start, and sure enough all the usual trolls have turned up to take part in a new round.

Closed.