Discussion in 'World Events' started by spidergoat, Nov 3, 2011.
SAM you jump around too much, impossible to have a discussion with you on this topic(s).
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??? I have said this innumerable times. I won't bother to search for it, since like the last time I searched for it, it has left the colander that passes for your brain. Suffice to say that the French immigrants in Algeria inspite of a looooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnggggggggggg sojourn there, did not assimilate to any great extent. Like Europeans everywhere else, they expected the people of the land they immigrated to, to speak their language, follow their religion and obey their laws. So once again, I have to ask, when Europeans talk about assimilating with the country you move to, which one of their successful examples of assimilation are they referring to?
SAM has clearly lost it and has gone from Trolling to hurling insults.
I think you need a nap.
?? Actually you were quite evasive about it at the start. It's just to get it cemented. And that, I think, just about does the argument. As in it does it in for you: your comments are poison fruit from a poison tree.
I deleted the rest since it was just more argument-hopping.
I'm never "evasive" about my opinions, far from it. Its not my problem that your brain reboots every night so I have to repeat every argument because you don't remember making it before
I just find it highly offensive that the French use their so called secularism as an excuse to further marginalise Muslims in their society and other morans who are only too trigger happy where Muslims are concerned are happy to jump in with their standard free speech catechisms, which btw, are nowhere to be seen when it comes to the right of people to live without persecution as minorities in western countries especially when the economy of such countries is driven by a full time occupation of bombing Muslim countries for frivolous reasons.
Do these people look like they could use a mosque?
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The reason they are "hampering" traffic to "block those streets completely off" is because other morans who object to mosques have had their nearby mosque - which accomodated 4000 of them - closed off.
So yeah, I am not impressed with the French freedom of speech at all, I don't think they set a good example of religious tolerance that anyone would want to follow.
next: the suitcase or the coffin?
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The only "moran" appears to by you SAM.
The article simply says the Mosque closed.
Nothing SINISTER in that statement and no suggestion that the French Government had anything to do with the closing of the mosque either.
Nor does anything justify blocking off the public streets just because they wish to practice their religion.
Clearly with a little common sense and a bit of respect for others who don't share their religion they could pray and not do so.
Like I said, you need a nap.
The sentence ends at the period
Oh who closed it then? Could you let us know?
Apparently what I need is a mind filter which only reads partial sentences
The good news is that the Muslims got together and bought a disused fire station nearby and will invest 80,000 euros in converting it to a mosque. That should keep them off the streets, yes? And it won't even be as big a mosque as those numerous churches in India
And just FYI, I am waiting for the cops to declare who firebombed that newspaper. Cos like the title of this thread, the conclusion is still preemptive. Of course, the fact that they don't know who did it, shouldn't stop the newspaper from making fun of Muslims. Thats what Muslims are for in France, to be the general subject of ridicule
Yeah, I know.
But the part after the comma just explains why they are upset.
Because they are blocking the public street.
Is THAT so hard to understand?
That public streets aren't to be closed down just because you want to pray?
Who closes ANY church?
The people who operate it and normally because they can't afford to keep it open.
Which unless you have OTHER information to the contrary is the most logical presumption.
No, you need to understand what you read.
NOTHING in that sentence indicates that anyone but the Muslims who ran the mosque closed it.
Yup, but in the mean time there is no justification for blocking traffic.
If you can find any relation at all between these two subjects please let the rest of us know.
Well, your conclusion is certainly pre-emptive, and biased. Troll off. Thanks.
Now, back onto the real discussion: what does this mean for dialogue and free critique in France? Will it serve its purpose - to close off criticism of a particular religion's more extreme and unreasonable tenets - or will it largely be ignored? Will other religions follow suit? What is the appropriate response to an attack on the freedom of the press in France, such as it is?
BBC coverage describes the publication as a 'celebration' (tongue in cheek) of the victory of Islamist parties in Tunisia. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ironic, in a way.
The only line that can be drawn between that and the attack per se is in attitudes, naturally: a plurality of opinion in France, probably.
Edit: interesting comment here:
Clearly, rather, it's fascism.
I'll be looking out for issues of that newspaper making fun of Jews, blacks and gays then. In the interest of freedom of speech, that is - don't want them to feel "left" out do we?
Have they done an issue on the French flag ie NOT the contraceptive, yet?
Looks like the French are pretty particular about their own symbols, ja?
Oh. Did you mean like this? Let me know if you can't wade through any of the big words.
And definitely let me know when one of those groups burns that newspaper to the ground for them doing that, ok? And make sure that whatever they make fun of, it's related to the victory of Jewish, black or gay supremacist groups elsewhere. Because then you'd have a parallel.
Because no other nation - including Saudi Arabia, say - is. And fortunately they're not terribly religious about it.
Oh, wait: nein.
Because we can't do two things at once!!!!!
No one trampled your mosque, only your precious feelings.
How about Muslims just stop lashing people for things that should not be crimes? ...Like getting raped?
I knew they had rabbinical courts in "secular" France but I did not know they had incorporated sharia courts based on their BFF Saudi Arabia as well.
Meanwhile, you might take a dekko at the gender segregation in buses in Brooklyn NY.
All these secular countries with rabbinical courts might want to inform themselves on what separation of church and state means
Nope, that's a private firm and their "rule" is not a law.
Women can legally sit anywhere they want on any bus in the country.
Piss Christ was vandalized recently:
That's true. They didn't burn the artist out of his home, mind, but it is more than letter-writing.
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