TimeTraveler said:Read the URL. Just because blacks...ictims also report their assailants are Black
TimeTraveler said:Read the URL. Just because blacks...ictims also report their assailants are Black
Are you white?
Yes I would treat you different, I would also understand you better.James R said:Would you treat me differently depending on whether I was black or white? I'm sure you would.
Do you treat men different then women?
I did not ask you if or how you treat women the same.
I asked you: "Do you treat men different then women"?
James R you have stated many times that you are in favor of Affirmitive Action programs, Right?
Affirmitive Action programs treat blacks differently.
Does not the color of their skin represent to you a disadvantaged person?James R said:Yes, but not because of the colour of their skin.
Does not the color of their skin represent to you a disadvantaged person?
Chiraque said:Hey a stupid idea!!!!! Blacks and whites aqnd hispanics and asians and indians and arabs are different breeds!! Like ya know there are a crapload of different breeds of cats, and they have slightly different physical characteristics and personalities, but they are all part of the same species.
James R said:Maybe you should try to be more specific in future. In one situation, I might act differently towards women than men. In a different situation I might act the same towards both. You need to ask what you really want to know or all I can give you is a vague answer.
Depends on the programme.
Yes, but not because of the colour of their skin.
D'ster said:Blacks do not "commit all crimes".
That is why I posted these facts:
Blacks are 50% of all arrests for assault and murder and 67% of all arrests for robbery. Fifty percent of all crime victims also report their assailants are Black
TimeTraveler said:Why do we always ignore personality and character in exchange for gender and race? ....., I judge them 1 at a time, based on their character and personality.
TimeTraveler said:Good women are so rare these days, ...
Baron Max said:And out of the perhaps millions around you, just how many of them do you think you can get to know based on personality and character? 25? 50?
So ...what of the other gazillion-minus-50 people? What do you do about them? Surely you don't base you judgement on those 50 that you actually know? ...cause if you do, then that's being judgemental in the same way, ain't it?
I judge the people I've met. I don't judge the people I haven't met. I view the world in good and bad, or compatible and not compatible, so I do have a type of prejudice, but it's not based on appearance. I'm not basing it on ideals, it's realism, I'm saying the good people come in all appearances and the bad people come in all appearances and thats real. I don't really care to seperate the bad by a color system or race system, and I don't seperate the good, these things just prevent good people from meeting each other.
Personally, I give you a high grade in "idealism", but a damned poor grade in "realism".
I'm a realist, I know that I'm not the majority, I know most people aren't "quality" personalities, or capable of being my friend. It just has nothing to do with race. It's not that I'm basing my opinions on ideals, because I know most people arent like me, I'm basing my opinions on my view of reality which is different from the view of some others. The racialized view of reality is a limited view, you only get to know the good people in your own race so you limit your potential friendships. If you are a good person, why limit yourself? Bad people don't limit themselves, they go global. If you look at what we can call criminal organizations, almost all of them are global, and they arent racially based. Yes the big boss may be a certain race, but the overall organization is not race based. What I'm saying is, you'll have a more accurate view of the world if you have friends and family of every race and appearance.
Ahh, so you're judging all women based on the personal observations of only a few women? Hmm, I need to think about that some ....perhaps you should, too, huh?
I never judge "ALL" women. I cannot possibly judge them all before I've met them all. I can have speculation based on my experiences and I do, but my conclusions are not set in stone. I do not for example say all women are bad, I might say most women are bad, but I also might say most men are bad, therefore most people are bad, but because I'd know what the bad looks like I can more easily recognize the good. It's natural to judge individuals, it's natural to speculate, but I never take it to the serious nth degree where I judge millions, billions, or the entire species. I know there are good women in every race because I've seen them. I don't really care about the percentages based on race because this is just a divisive scare tactic. What I look for are characters and personality types I know I'm compatible with and this is what I call (good), but to verify, I also look at how they behave and treat the environment and people around them. Some people just aren't my type, and thats just how it i with everyone, but I'd never look at a person and come to that conclusion based on one external measurement, and I don't group people into boxes except the boxes they place themselves into by their behavioral profile.
What would you say if I judged all black men by that same logic??? Hmmm?
If you judge all violent black men, I'd be with you on judging them. If you judged all violent white men I'd be with you on judging them. If you judged all violent asian men I'd be with you on judging them. I do not see race, I see personality and character only. I don't care what the entity looks like, if it's dangerous it gets viewed as dangerous. Black is not something that reveals the character about something, violent however does reveal a trait.
Baron Max
TimeTraveler said:A violent white man, is the same as a violent black man. A white rapist is the same as a black rapist.
TimeTraveler said:There is no difference among the races in character or personality type,....
TimeTraveler said:It is possible to have friends of all races, so why not take advantage of that possibility? Why limit yourself?
Baron Max said:Hmm, perhaps. But it seems, percentage wise, that there are more violent black men than white men. Most all of the crime stats prove that, don't they? Blacks make up only about 12% of the population, yet they make up some 60% of the violent convicts in the USA. So...?
Most wars are started by white men, most serial killers are white men, most violence historically has been commited by white men. I don't know how you can disagree with those facts even if you are a white man, you know white men are the most dangerous because they have the most power.
How do you know that ...if you don't know each and every one of them personally? Again you seem to be judging people that you DON'T know, based on the few individuals that you DO know. And that's no different to how a racist judges people ....your way just sounds/seems better, but it isn't!
I don't judge them, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldnt be nervous approaching a group of guys.
Maybe they don't want to ...and yet you're judging them because of it. That ain't nice of you, is it? If a person doesn't want to get to know black people, then that's his right and freedom to do so .....and you shouldn't be telling him what he should do or how he should think.
It's their problem, but it's completely irrational thats all I'm saying. Diversification is rational, for all sorta of reasons, for economic reasons, for security reasons, for the simply fact that knowing many different people makes you better than if you only know the same people your whole life. Some people never want to meet anyone new, thats their choice.
Baron Max
TimeTraveler said:I'm not telling anyone what to think. I'm simply stating what is rational in the scientific and economic sense,....
TimeTraveler said:Look, if you want to limit yourself, if that makes you happy, fine, talk to only people who look like you, I'm not really going to care.
TimeTraveler said:Ok these "facts" of yours are so ridiculous that I cannot make sense of it. Blacks only make up what, 12% of the population? It's impossible for 12% to commit 50% of the crime.
Count Sudoku said:Why is it impossible for 12% of the population to commit 50% of crime? 50% of the population (men) commit about 95% of the murders.
http://www.amren.com/newstore/cart.php?page=color_of_crime
The Color Of Crime
Major Findings:
• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.