First Doses of H1N1 flu vaccine shipping

nietzschefan said:
No kids, but I do have a healthy (relatively) immune system.

I'm opposed to the flu vaccines, because it it in the hands of increasingly under trained, health professionals and developed and cultivated by corporations I do not trust one bit. It goes against my #1 creedo, a well known one. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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if you really think about it, unemotionally and rationally and without an agenda. then how can a flu vaccine hurt a human?

i have never had a flu shot, not sure why.
 
I wish more of the vaccines would get here. Area schools have been closed for a week (including my daughter's) due to illness.
On Monday my daughter walked into her 1st period science class which normally has 28 students, to see that she was one of 7. They canceled the rest of the week and have a cleaning service in.
One by one, area schools started closing, even area colleges.

Is it really that bad or just overreacting?
 
Orleander said:
I wish more of the vaccines would get here. Area schools have been closed for a week (including my daughter's) due to illness.
On Monday my daughter walked into her 1st period science class which normally has 28 students, to see that she was one of 7. They canceled the rest of the week and have a cleaning service in.
One by one, area schools started closing, even area colleges.

Is it really that bad or just overreacting?
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I live in one of the largest cities in the world and not a single thing has been closed down. I'm sitting in school right now. Some people are sick, but with nothing serious, just colds and the like. I wish they'd close school.
 
I didn't say it was. It's a one in a million chance with the flu shot (Congratulations!!), however since they have absolutely no idea why it happens there is no reason to believe it won't happen with with the H1N1 flu shot(which is really just another strain).

I play the lottery for MONEY about twice a year, not for Dystonia!

I'll pass on the flu shot thanks. I'm healthy. Unhealthy people can go ahead and get the flu shot if the flu would endanger their life, that makes sense. Everyone getting the flu shot is fucking stupid.
 
You're still playing the lottery. There are only two ways to become immune to the H1N1 flu - having the actual flu, or having the vaccine. Having the flu entails risk; it can be a serious illness, even in young people who were perfectly healthy prior to being infected. Even if you are perfectly healthy, the chances for serious complications from the flu are statistically much greater than the chances of complications from the flu vaccine. You could be lucky, and completely avoid being infected. But the news reports are confirming that the H1N1 is more virulent than most seasonal influenza, which means the odds of avoiding it completely aren't in your favor.

It's interesting that you have such faith in your immune system's ability to either prevent you from contracting the flu in the first place, or to keep it down to the level of a trivial sickness of no consequence, but feel at the same time that your immune system could be destroyed by the H1N1 vaccine.
 
Repo Man said:
You're still playing the lottery. There are only two ways to become immune to the H1N1 flu - having the actual flu, or having the vaccine. Having the flu entails risk; it can be a serious illness, even in young people who were perfectly healthy prior to being infected. Even if you are perfectly healthy, the chances for serious complications from the flu are statistically much greater than the chances of complications from the flu vaccine. You could be lucky, and completely avoid being infected. But the news reports are confirming that the H1N1 is more virulent than most seasonal influenza, which means the odds of avoiding it completely aren't in your favor.

It's interesting that you have such faith in your immune system's ability to either prevent you from contracting the flu in the first place, or to keep it down to the level of a trivial sickness of no consequence, but feel at the same time that your immune system could be destroyed by the H1N1 vaccine.
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It's got nothing to do with all of that really, I'm philosophically opposed to a dependence on drug companies from year to year (they'd like us to be on two shots year to year now...CHACHING!)

Also if you read the articles on that story, she ALSO got the flu virus. It happens more often then you'll ever see anyone with their hand in this money scheme admit. You get the flu shot and STILL get it. Waste of time, resources and possibly, health.
 
nietzschefan said:
I didn't say it was. It's a one in a million chance with the flu shot (Congratulations!!), however since they have absolutely no idea why it happens there is no reason to believe it won't happen with with the H1N1 flu shot(which is really just another strain).

I play the lottery for MONEY about twice a year, not for Dystonia!

I'll pass on the flu shot thanks. I'm healthy. Unhealthy people can go ahead and get the flu shot if the flu would endanger their life, that makes sense. Everyone getting the flu shot is fucking stupid.
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If you read the article you'd realize the following;
1. Whatever she has was very unlikely trigger by the vaccination.
2. It's not even dystonia.
 
nietzschefan said:
It's got nothing to do with all of that really, I'm philosophically opposed to a dependence on drug companies from year to year (they'd like us to be on two shots year to year now...CHACHING!)

Also if you read the articles on that story, she ALSO got the flu virus. It happens more often then you'll ever see anyone with their hand in this money scheme admit. You get the flu shot and STILL get it. Waste of time, resources and possibly, health.
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That is common knowledge, and no one makes any effort to deny it.
It is possible to get vaccinated and still get influenza. The vaccine is reformulated each season for a few specific flu strains but cannot possibly include all the strains actively infecting people in the world for that season. It takes about six months for the manufacturers to formulate and produce the millions of doses required to deal with the seasonal epidemics; occasionally, a new or overlooked strain becomes prominent during that time and infects people although they have been vaccinated (as by the H3N2 Fujian flu in the 2003–2004 flu season).[79] It is also possible to get infected just before vaccination and get sick with the very strain that the vaccine is supposed to prevent, as the vaccine takes about two weeks to become effective.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

Of course, the post hoc fallacy rules with that one. Message boards are full of anecdotes of people who got the flu vaccine, and then developed the flu anyway, and are now irrevocably convinced that the vaccination was responsible. "Some people, if they don't already know something, you can't tell 'em." - Yogi Berra

Sometimes people who make an effort to practice safe sex still become infected with HIV; does that make (for one example) condom usage a waste of time? In spite of seatbelts and other safety devices, people still die in auto accidents; does this mean that seatbelts and air bags are a waste of time and money?
 
Oooh now we are comparing to HIV.

Listen, they make an HIV Vaccine, I'll take it. Until then(and beyond for that matter), I won't fuck men or slutty bitches. Heck I actually practice an ancient custom of fucking one woman that I trust, to not be fucking people fresh off the boat from Africa or wherever.

So with the flu, which I have gotten ONCE in like 10 years (Yes the year I did try the flu shot - 2004), what I do is avoid people who have it, wash my hands and work out with gloves on. When I am sick I stay the fuck home. Anyone who fires you for staying home with the flu or having your kids stay home is not worth working for under any circumstances.

And yes we are ALL likely to eventually get H1N1, regardless of the flu shot for it or not. If not this year...then next year's strain or the next until it can no longer affect us because a large % of the population has an IMMUNE SYSTEM THAT CAN FIGHT IT OFF.

(Vaccine as in the disease is GONE...like say the polio vaccine, the flu "vaccine" is not really a vaccine IMO)
 
nietzschefan said:
Oooh now we are comparing to HIV.

Listen, they make an HIV Vaccine, I'll take it. Until then(and beyond for that matter), I won't fuck men or slutty bitches. Heck I actually practice an ancient custom of fucking one woman that I trust, to not be fucking people fresh off the boat from Africa or wherever.

So with the flu, which I have gotten ONCE in like 10 years (Yes the year I did try the flu shot - 2004), what I do is avoid people who have it, wash my hands and work out with gloves on. When I am sick I stay the fuck home. Anyone who fires you for staying home with the flu or having your kids stay home is not worth working for under any circumstances.

And yes we are ALL likely to eventually get H1N1, regardless of the flu shot for it or not. If not this year...then next year's strain or the next until it can no longer affect us because a large % of the population has an IMMUNE SYSTEM THAT CAN FIGHT IT OFF.

(Vaccine as in the disease is GONE...like say the polio vaccine, the flu "vaccine" is not really a vaccine IMO)
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No, I'm not comparing it to HIV. I'm talking about a risk/benefit analysis. That's why I also made the comparison of auto safety devices. You seem to be holding the flu vaccine to an unrealistically strict standard of acceptable risk, while downplaying the risk of actually being infected with the flu. You said that people sometimes still get infected with the flu after having received the vaccination, as though this proves it is useless. My point was that safety precautions are rarely 100% effective, and that in spite of taking sensible precautions against HIV, people still get infected - does that mean these precautions are useless?

The capability of fighting off the flu doesn't mean all that much. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Complications such as secondary infections like sinusitis, bronchitis and even pneumonia are not uncommon, even with healthy people. "That which does not kill you, makes you stronger" doesn't apply here.
 
Ahhh the Risk/benefit analysis, Seatbelts...an apt comparison, we see the not-so-invisible hand of corporate America behind this increasing imposing flu shot business and of course health insurance companies will soon demand insurers HAVE that flu shot. Less risk, less cost, perhaps even profit for the corporate machine. The cogs in the machine(you) stay at work more, cost less in maintenance/repairs per unit of production and well frankly lose a little more of their freedom. Oh well, we have a more efficient machine.

You know why they don't know why these side effects happen with the flu shot...there's no money in it. No one involved with the flu shot, gives a fuck about your health really.
 
nietzschefan said:
Ahhh the Risk/benefit analysis, Seatbelts...an apt comparison, we see the not-so-invisible hand of corporate America behind this increasing imposing flu shot business and of course health insurance companies will soon demand insurers HAVE that flu shot. Less risk, less cost, perhaps even profit for the corporate machine. The cogs in the machine(you) stay at work more, cost less in maintenance/repairs per unit of production and well frankly lose a little more of their freedom. Oh well, we have a more efficient machine.

You know why they don't know why these side effects happen with the flu shot...there's no money in it. No one involved with the flu shot, gives a fuck about your health really.
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Paranoia is a bigger risk than the flu, you've come down with that one...why didn't you take the necessary precautions? Such as read a book, talk to your doctor, listen to non-partisan people on the issue. If you ask them...most say it's a good investment...especially if you're at high risk.
 
CheskiChips said:
Paranoia is a bigger risk than the flu, you've come down with that one...why didn't you take the necessary precautions? Such as read a book, talk to your doctor, listen to non-partisan people on the issue. If you ask them...most say it's a good investment...especially if you're at high risk.
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Thought you had me on ignore...
 
Whatever Pal you directly replied my cheerleader turned-invalid story.

BTW it was Guillain–Barré syndrome that probably affected her. Not sure who told her it was Dystonia...whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain–Barré_syndrome
GGBS may be a rare side-effect of influenza vaccines, with an incidence of about one case per million vaccinations.[10] Other estimates suggest the incidence of GBS among those receiving the vaccine was one case per 105,000 and that the GBS was not directly due to the vaccine but to a bacterial contamination of the vaccine that triggered GBS.[11]

There were reports of GBS affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations in the 1976 U.S. outbreak of swine flu. Overall, there were about 500 cases of GBS—25 of which resulted in death from severe pulmonary complications— which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 swine flu vaccine. Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to GBS, though caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS.[12][13]
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I'm just hoping they be honest about the number affected this time...There have been several reported in Canada to the regular flu shot.
 
I agree with nietzschefan, it is a complicated ploy by the military, government, corporate elites to accomplish several things simultaneously.

First, they wish to make money. Their second aim is population reduction. Some of these links you will need to use a translator like google translate, as this information was only available in Czech. I wouldn't trust Baxter International with my life, that is for sure. And as for Novartis? Hell, their connections with the political elites run far, wide and deep. The naivite', and just plan lack of research into these issues, is, well, stunning.

Peoples willingness to trust the "authorities," whether they be medical, political, or corporate, is galling. The media can't be trusted. You need to do a little research, and never assume anything.

I thank EndLightEnd for raising awareness of this timely topic and trying to help humanity. For those seeking the truth, I provide the following links.
Welcome to vaccination education!

An american pharma Baxter vaccine against flu found contaminated by H5N1 virus in several European countries

In the Czech Republic got the vaccine infected deadly bird flu virus

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/rakouska-ptaci-chripka-sla-do-ceska-i-nemecka-fmn-/domaci.asp?c=A090303_214331_domaci_abr

http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/kontaminovana-vakcina-se-testovala-nejen-v-cr/363674

Inventory Uncovers 9,200 More Pathogens
Laboratory Says Security Is Tighter, but Earlier Count Missed Dangerous Vials

Novartis wants Chiron
$4.5 billion bid for biotech firm

September 20, 1991
INITIATIVE FOR ECO-92 EARTH CHARTER

Baxter To Develop Swine Flu Vaccine Despite Bird Flu Scandal

CLICIK HERE FOR SWINE FLU ODDITIES


I found this to be a VERY informative page. I have agonized over the decision to get a vaccination for a while. I have a seven year old I love very much, and this is a very serious issue. I don't want MY paranoia of the whole system to affect his life. I just want to be safe. Am I imagininging things?

But you know, in the end, I guess it all comes down to, what do the elites know? What are they doing? You know?

If this isn't something THEY wouldn't put into THEIR children, and into themselves? Why the hell would I want it in me?

October 8, 2009
First Daughters Not Vaccinated Against H1N1

President Obama's school age daughters have not been vaccinated against the H1N1 flu virus. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says the vaccine is not available to them based on their risk.

The Centers for Disease Control recommend that children ages 6 months through 18 years of age receive a vaccination against the H1N1 flu virus. At this time only children with chronic medical conditions are receiving the vaccination because their immune system is not strong enough to fight off the strain. The CDC also says a regular seasonal flu shot does not protect against the virus.
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http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vaccinated-against-h1n1/
 
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