First Doses of H1N1 flu vaccine shipping

um string your right that antibotics have no effect on viruses, they only work on bacteria (not fungal infections BTW, thats antifungal medication). However there ARE vacines for SOME bacterial infections, meningococcal is one example
 
Asguard said:
um string your right that antibotics have no effect on viruses, they only work on bacteria (not fungal infections BTW, thats antifungal medication). However there ARE vacines for SOME bacterial infections, meningococcal is one example
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Ahhh. So true. So true.

~String
 
nietzschefan said:
How in the fuck did we survive for 100000+ years without the flu shot?
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So in other words, were do these epidemics come from?
Well first off, there always were epidemics and people may have died en masse. But they would have been local. Nowadays, people travel the world and a global epidemic is not so far-fetched. Especially since we live so closely packed.
Secondly, a lot of viruses seem to originate from the jungles where they didn't have any contact with humans and they and their hosts have evolved a non-lethal relationship. Humans are invading more and more previously undisturbed areas.
 
well from what i have heard about H1N1, is that you are a at a higher risk of death if you have underlying immune problems. If you are a healthy person in the first place, your chance of death is like 10%.. Also, symptoms of H1N1 are mirror of the flu. except you get the runs on top of it all..

If i can remember right, when you are sick, you are advised to drink ALOT of fluids to keep you hydrated.. and if you dont, you could die... umm... this H1N1 is just like the flu.. both have a risk of death if you do not take care of yourself.

Ive had 1 flu shot in my life, and i went from feeling great, to 2months of feeling like crap. and I dont really think my daughter has ever had a flu shot....
 
EndLightEnd said:
Shocking side effect of this years flu shot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3JEVIblok0&feature=player_embedded#

At one point the new anchor says despite the flu vaccine, she still got the flu. Plus a whole host of debilitating symptoms that have changed her life forever. This is not the first, or last, time this happens.
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Lol, in my country the doc chamber actually doesn't support the flu vaccine. They say that it's way too dangerous as it's not been properly tested, and therefore they are not supportive of it. Docs themselves don't want to get this vaccine shot either, so...I think that says enough about the situation, and the chances of becoming an other Desiree Jennings are just way too high.
 
PsychoTropicPuppy said:
Lol, in my country the doc chamber actually doesn't support the flu vaccine. They say that it's way too dangerous as it's not been properly tested, and therefore they are not supportive of it. Docs themselves don't want to get this vaccine shot either, so...I think that says enough about the situation, and the chances of becoming an other Desiree Jennings are just way too high.
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What country are you from? I'd be interested in seeing/reading something from that chamber of doctors.

~String
 
it probly doesnt help that in our state we have yet to even receive the vaccine, and they say that 10 people have already died from it.. hahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

i knew i lived in the crappy state! we are low on all the good "statistics" but rank high on the bad ones!
 
Enmos said:
So in other words, were do these epidemics come from?
Well first off, there always were epidemics and people may have died en masse. But they would have been local. Nowadays, people travel the world and a global epidemic is not so far-fetched. Especially since we live so closely packed.
Secondly, a lot of viruses seem to originate from the jungles where they didn't have any contact with humans and they and their hosts have evolved a non-lethal relationship. Humans are invading more and more previously undisturbed areas.
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While that's true Enmos, I really doubt any primitive clans were wiped out by a flu virus.
 
EndLightEnd said:
Shocking side effect of this years flu shot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3JEVIblok0&feature=player_embedded#

At one point the new anchor says despite the flu vaccine, she still got the flu. Plus a whole host of debilitating symptoms that have changed her life forever. This is not the first, or last, time this happens.
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I know someone who died in a car accident. I don't know about you, but I'm walking everywhere from now on - driving just isn't worth the risk.
 
nietzschefan said:
While that's true Enmos, I really doubt any primitive clans were wiped out by a flu virus.
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There's more to existence than just "survival of the tribe". Parents with children who die from random diseases, like the flu don't, mourn less just because the species survives.

~String
 
superstring01 said:
There's more to existence than just "survival of the tribe". Parents with children who die from random diseases, like the flu don't, mourn less just because the species survives.

~String
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Well I'm going to put my faith in my fine Genetics than the hands of a lab rat and a petri dish.
 
brokenpower said:
I've never gotten a flu shot, and it hasn't made me less healthy.

These people need to take a daily vitamin

Vaccines are placebos, i don't believe they really have any real use but to make money from fear.
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It's use is to save the lives of pediatric patients, elderly, and the immunocompromised. Us being healthy, non-elderly adults are not at risk, which is why flu vaccines aren't recommended for everyone.

It's called being cognizant of medical science. I know this is harder for those of you not working in a hospital on a daily basis, but please do smarten up.
 
Czech physicans, in droves, deny the swine flu vaccination. They fear that they are not in possession of enough information concerning the effects of said vaccination. Around 160 thousand medics are supposed to receive said vaccination.
The hygienics are trying to disperse their doubts.

"I'm not willing to get a shot, " said a children's physician from Prague named Soňa Knéblová. She hinted on the unverified state of said vaccination. "I'll be honest, I will not use the possibility of a vaccination, " said one of her colleages, Petr Němeček.

In accordance with the executive headmistress of the pacient's organisation "Koalice pro zdravi" (trans. Coalition for health) Jana Petrenko, such a stance of the physicians could represent a danger for the patients. "When, for example, a physician gets infected with the swine flu, and he doesn't notice it immediately, then chances are that he'll infect quite a number of his patients, " cited her Lidove noviny.

This is also alarming for the ministry of health. "Physicians should realise, that they are responsible for their patients, and that this vaccination would mainly protect the patients. An ill medic could due to the close contact with the patients become a source of contamination, and like this disperse the pandemic flu virus even further, " warned the ministry.

The ministry is trying to confront the doubts of the workers in the medical field. They want to persuade them in various seminaries. For example, during the weekend, at a nationwide meeting of the medic coalition they're planning to deal with the dilemma.

The hygienics claim that the doubts of the doctors are unfounded. The hygienics rely on the notions of the World Health Organisation that the vaccines are just as safe as those meant for the seasonal(regular) flu. Around 7% of the populace receive a shot against the regular flu on a yearly basis, and after chief hygienic Michael Vita only 27 side-effects were reported last year.

But for the time being the resistance is quite strong. "In the contract with the Czech government the makers of the vaccination refuse to take accountability for the unwanted side-effects of the product. That is alerting. If the makers were sure of the product's safety then why do the include such a thing in the contract? (...) Nobody wants to be in the position of a test subject," said the president of the Czech medical chamber Milan Kubek.
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As I've checked on my source again, I had to admit that the linked page wasn't too clear about the article, and more filled with opinions, so I've made a personal primitive 5 min. translation of the following article myself: http://zpravy.idnes.cz/bojime-se-od...ce-puj-/domaci.asp?c=A091002_110113_domaci_jw

And honestly, I understand the doctors doubts, and fears concerning this product. If something goes wrong the makers of the product will not be held accountable. This is a definitive hint that the product is still just in testing phase.
 
WillNever said:
It's use is to save the lives of pediatric patients, elderly, and the immunocompromised. Us being healthy, non-elderly adults are not at risk, which is why flu vaccines aren't recommended for everyone.

It's called being cognizant of medical science. I know this is harder for those of you not working in a hospital on a daily basis, but please do smarten up.
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Actually 'healthy' people are being encouraged and in some cases pressured to take the vaccine, despite things like


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10640454

which indicates that one of the adjuvants, squalene, in the vaccine may cause severe immune system problems down the line.

The German military and government has decided to use a clean vaccine
http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/10/german-soldiers-to-receive-different.html

and it might be wise for people to question why they must take one filled with additives, many of which are problematic. When the vaccines were tested for safety, THEY WERE TESTED WITHOUT the various questionable additives. Further, since the effects of these additives can be long term rather than short term, the testing procedures - quick and sloppy - were not remotely adequate.

Another thing people should know is that the suppliers of these vaccines are facing a wide variety of criminal charges throughout the world: fraud, withholding of evidence that their products were damaging, illegal experiments on children, experiments on the homeless in Poland resulting in deaths, tax evasion, and more. Further Baxter Ltd. one of these companies supplied the Czech Republic with a vaccine that contained

both live virus AND live season flu virus...

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

which would, obviously, have spread the disease incredibly rapidly. At the very least this was incredible incompetence. Nevertheless this company continued to get contracts and is supply vaccines to millions and millions of people.

Large doses of vitamin D do just as well if not better than flu vaccines, without any of the short term and long term side effects.
 
superstring01 said:
Do you have children?

That question aside, I am curious, are you opposed to the Flu vaccine? The H1N1 vaccine? Vaccines in general?

~String
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No kids, but I do have a healthy (relatively) immune system.

I'm opposed to the flu vaccines, because it it in the hands of increasingly under trained, health professionals and developed and cultivated by corporations I do not trust one bit. It goes against my #1 creedo, a well known one. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
But no issues with other vaccines?

Well, you're not alone. A good chunk of the population avoids flu vaccines for the same reason. They just don't think it's needed.

~String
 
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