Existence of god

Discussion in 'Religion' started by shivansh, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Pan = Wholistic Integrity = UNIverse = God = Occupied Space = Complex

    If you mean one God as Uni-verse, they I agree.

    It is not clear here if your stating that Pi and soul 3 are synonyms are if your trying divided Pi by soul 3. You also do not give any explanation for what your "soul 3" is. You far short on the clarity I offer.


    part truth and part ridicule/troll/mental block/lack of integrity/nonsense/gibberrish/etc...

    Cows are on Earth the Earth is flying around the sun and all in Universe.

    If cow is in cargo plane it flys in relationship to Earth.

    Your going to have dig deeper into you intellect base if you want to offer us true ridicule/trollisms and lack of integrity. I'm sure you can do it if you allow your ego to go much wilder.

    So it appears your "God 1" is speaking to you with short phrases ex "go forth". Where else would your "God " 1 expect you to go except IN Universe. I mean, duhh.

    We can not get outside of Universe, except as a metaphysical concept. This is a human special-case ability. Well at least for some humans.

    Yeah unlike the trolls around here, I have not much trouble with English. Even when spoken by a troll, English is still English, even when it is ridicule and lacks sincerity of heart.

    Spirit-1 = physical/energy = fermions( matter ) and bosons( force )

    Spirit-1 = metaphysical intention ergo directed mind/intelligence

    Soul-1 = biological

    Soul-2 = pattern/geometry ex spiral, triangle, plaid, square, mobius,

    God( ess ) = Universe = our one, finite occupied space

    Ess = gravitational spacetime ergo the essence our existence stems from and returns too, gravity.

    Gravity aka mass attraction is a contractive pulling-IN force/phenomena that induces pushing OUT force.

    Gravity is likened to a womb/membrane that surrounds/embraces every particle and contains the our finite Universe as integral whole.

    Contractions IN cause a poping OUT of babies, fermions and bosons.

    IN-spirited = our initial IN breath after existing the womb and birth canal.

    OUT-spirited is our last breath OUT in death.

    IN is the ESSential force of Universe as it is what contains our Universe( occupied space ) as integral finite whole,even at entropic heat death ending, all is not lost/destroyed, nor is addditional physical/energy created.

    I never hold my breath waiting for any around here to offer any ratiaonally logical comments that invalidate most of stated.

    That is becuase once we arrive at truth, or near too it, it becomes harder and harder to refine it and to state any rational logic that has intellectual integrity to invalidate what appears as obvious truth.

    Pan = all inclusive ergo wholistic integrity.

    It appears to me, that most around here are more concerned with the personal ego than they are with a greater integral whole. Go figure.

    r6
     
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  3. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Again, I appreciate your openness. In truth, one of the reasons that I clung to Christianity was because of my father's beliefs. He died when I was a kid, and to 'honor' him, I stuck with the religion. Abandoning Christianity, and now taking a more agnostic view, has often times left me feeling like my dad died all over again, as if it just happened yesterday. Not until I left it, did I realize how much I viewed faith and Christianity through his eyes, and not mine.

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    Count your blessings (no pun) that you never succombed to the pressure of those around you, who wished for you to follow a particular religion. I'm not saying an atheist's life is a bed of roses, but being brought up in a faith not of one's choosing, can create a lot of unnecessary issues later in life, should that person start applying logic and reasoning against religious dogma.


    No, I didn't know that. He seemed incredibly authentic in everything he did, and believed, from what I've read about him. A crying shame we will never have the opportunity to meet him.
     
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  5. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, clearly, I have a mental block. That is obviously the only possibility!
     
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  7. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Wow... scratch what I said, looks like you have no clue...

    The issue was not one of definition. The issue is that you are failing to elaborate on the subject.

    A 10 year old would think you are full of shit and that you are unable to use simple syntax, grammar and proper essay composition.

    I wouldn't say so, but you certainly have a mental block even when someone actually agrees with you. But now I changed my mind, I don't think you have a clue what you are actually saying.

    Oh please, great master, do enlighten me!

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    Sciences do overlap. I still haven't observed you actually elaborating on that. Which now makes me think you are full of shit.

    Unfortunately, your comments as stated do not make any rational sense whatsoever. It is not that they can't possibly make any rational sense... no... I'm not like the others in this thread who just listen to you and laugh at you, for very good reason, may I add... I can see what you are saying... but I don't think you can see what you are saying, which makes this conversation rather... intriguing... but sad. Seriously. You have to elaborate. It is not my job to do that, it is yours. It is your burden of truth.

    Probably not for someone who has been speaking for 12 years and also studied etymology, some Greek and some Latin. Probably...

    I'm curious to see how you actually do that, because so far you failed miserably with everyone in this thread, including someone who actually agrees with you. And you seriously don't know what pantheism is? Seriously?

    Yes, you mean that there is only One form of existence which is God, that is, God is the universe itself. Try using English properly.

    I appreciate you trying to use math as a linguistic device, but you still need to be more clear. You can't just simplify your equations without showing your work. Let me underline and bold that for you.

    You can't just simplify your equations without showing your work.

    Good luck with that. People have different subjective understandings of what "god" is. Many will think you are talking about some old dude in the sky.

    Elaborate. Don't just say that, you haven't proven anything. You haven't proven that what you call "spirit-1" is what you call "physical/energy" (incidentally, do you mean "physical divided by energy" or "physical or energy as two different aspects of the same substance")

    Learn to spell "dictionary" before saying that to someone.

    I'm starting to think you have a loooong way to go...




    Btw, if you don't understand me, when you get to a word you don't understand, either consult a dictionary or ask me.

    And show your work or I am calling shenanigans on your sorry high ass. :m:
     
  8. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Mentally Blocked Troll Abundance Running Loose

    Oops, some one(s) ego is hurt.

    God = Universe( occupied space ) is simple not complex unless your have ego blocked mentality.

    Universe = God( ess ) is simple concept

    Ess = essential phenomena of Universe called gravity. is simple, not complex concept.

    Spirit-1 = physical ergo energy i.e. fermions and/or bosons is simple not complex concept.

    Spirit-2 = metaphysical mind / intelligence ergo conscious intentions is slightly more complex concept. Maybe 14 year old have easier time of it.

    Soul-1 = biological and here you may need a dictionary once again to understand what a biological is.

    Gravity is likened to a womb / membrane that surrounds / embraces every particle and contains our finite Universe( occupied space ) as an integral whole.

    Contractions IN cause a popping OUT of babies, fermions and bosons etc....

    IN-spirited = our initial IN breath after exiting the womb and the birth canal.

    OUT-spirited is our last breath OUT in death ensues / follows.

    IN is the ESSential force of Universe as it is what contains our Universe( occupied space ) as integral finite whole, even at the Universe's entropic heat death ending, all physical / energy is naught lost/destroyed, nor is naught addditional physical / energy created.

    IN is the primary force / phenomena of Universe Contractive IN phenomena lead to all expansive / dispersive, pushing-OUT phenomena. The sun is believed to have come into being as a result of gravitationally contractive IN forces and the sun is expanding in two differrent ways;

    1) photons being emitted ergo disperseive OUTward,

    2) it will become a red giant(?) or something like that, before it eventually becomes a smaller diameter piece of iron rock.

    These are truths are fairly obvious to those who are sincere in there hearts, in their search for truth.

    Please share if you have comments that would invalidate any of my comments as stated. To date no one has done that.

    I have certainly enraged a lot of troll egos with these truths tho....

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    Please, no trolls with their ridicule and enraged ego's need apply. Please try and help the make the world to be a better place.

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  9. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    That looks like an assertion of pantheism. What justifies belief in pantheism?

    What does the word 'God' mean? If it just means 'universe', then the assertion would seem to be circular.

    I assume that 'uni' is highlighted to emphasize the idea 'one'. Are you suggesting that God is supposedly one and that there is supposedly only one universe, so God must equal universe? Even if we embrace both the monotheistic assumption and the implicit rejection of multiverse possibilities, why should we assume that all unique objects are in fact the same object?

    Universe equals both 'God' and "Goddess'?

    The linguistic suffix that distinguishes female divinities from male is gravity?

    What does 'spirit' mean to you? The word has had several different uses in the history of ideas. What is 'Spirit-1' supposed to mean? Are you trying to perform mathematical operations on spirit? And what does any of this have to do with the fermions and bosons of physics?

    Are you subtracting 2 from spirit? Or are you trying to suggest that there are different kinds of spirit that you are labeling one and two? What is 'metaphysical mind'? Why should people believe that there is such a thing? Are you equating 'metaphysical mind' with 'intelligence'? And what does 'metaphysical mind/intelligence' have to do with fermions and bosons?

    Many of us know how biologists use the word 'biological'. The problem here is knowing how you are using it. What does the word 'soul' mean? Are you subtracting the number one from soul, or labeling this 'soul type 1'? And what does soul have to do with biology? Using an equals sign doesn't really clarify anything.

    The preceding assertions look like ideas taken from western monotheist religious tradition being associated with words seemingly lifted from science. Perhaps the author imagines that they are analogous or something. If so, they might be analogies that only he can perceive.

    As far as I'm concerned, none of this is interesting or remotely informative at this point. It might come across better if each step received some plausible explanation. Right now, it's only bizarre.
     
  10. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    If you click back a page Yazata, I mentioned Pantheism, and rr6 scoffed at the idea. lol Just wanted to save you the trouble of going down that road.
     
  11. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, I saw that. I think that you were right, that rr6 is imagining some kind of pantheism. He just seemed to be reluctant to embrace the idea because he was apparently unfamiliar with the word. (English might not be his first language.)

    His initial assertion that 'God = Universe' is about as clear a statement of pantheism as could be imagined.
     
  12. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, he is pantheistic, but that is not good enough for him because he wants to have this amazing original idea which nobody ever thought of before, and if you say this idea already existed and someone thought about it before, then he immediately rejects it because it doesn't make him special.
     
  13. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    hahaha.

    "talent borrows, genius steals" - oscar wilde

    A person can't be a genius if they admit their sources then, hahaha - but the geniuses have at least studied enough to see that everything we discuss is derivative, because the language we use to describe a concept is derivative and shapes communication of it. We can really only ask "how" original something is, not whether it is original.

    In the case of this "god =" theory being presented, i think it is safe to say that EVEN the language being used to describe the concept is not derivative, but is mostly original, haha.
     
  14. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    You guys actually read what rr6 is saying??!
     
  15. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately, I did. Do you know if there is a way to wash away the horrors that are now permanently imprinted in my brain?
     
  16. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    This too shall pass, my son, this too shall pass.
     
  17. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Differrent Strokes For Differrent Folks

    Fuller approximation] .." Since 1927, whenever i am going to sleep, i always concentrate my thinking on what i call "Ever Rethinking the Lords Prayer" (Richard Buckminister Fuller)

    I am confident as specifically argued, my following declaration constitutes a scientifically meticulous, direct-experience-based proof of God.

    "Ever Rethinking the Lord's Prayer July 12 1979

    To be satisfactory to science
    all definitions must be stated
    in terms of experience.

    I define Universe as
    all of humanity's
    in-all-known-time
    consciously apprehended
    and communicated (to self or others) experiences.

    In using the word, God,
    I am consciously employing
    four clearly differentiated
    from one another experience-engendered thoughts.
    Firstly I mean:_ those experience-engendered thoughts
    which are predicated upon past successions
    which are unexpected, human discoveries
    of mathematically incisive,
    physically demonstrable answers
    to what thereto fore had been missassumed
    to be forever unanswerable
    cosmic magnitude questions
    wherefore, I now assume it to be scientifically manifest,
    and therefore experientially reasonabl,e that,
    scientifically explainable answers
    may and probably will
    eventually be given to all questions
    as engendered in all human thoughts
    by the sum total of all human experiences;

    wherefore my first meaning for God is:-
    all the experientially explained
    or explainable answers
    to all questions
    of all time-

    Secondly I mean;-
    The individual's memory
    of many surprising moments
    of dawning comprehension's
    of as interrelated significance
    to be existent
    amongst a number
    of what had previously seemed to be
    entirely uninterrelated experiences
    all of which remembered experiences
    engender the reasonable assumption
    of the possible existence
    of a total comprehension
    of the integrated significance-
    the meaning- of all experiences.

    Thirdly, I mean:-
    the only intellectually discoverable
    a priori, intellectual integrity
    indisputably manifest as
    the only mathematically stateable
    family of generalized principles-
    cosmic laws-
    thus far discovered and codified
    and ever physically redemonstrable by scientists
    to be not only unfailingly operative
    but to be in eternal,
    omni-interconsiderate, omni-interaccommodative,
    governance of the complex of everyday,
    naked-eye experiences
    as well as of the multi-millions-fold greater range
    of only instrumentally explored
    infra- and ultra-tuneable
    micro- and macro-Universe events.

    Fourthly, I mean;-
    All the mystery inherent
    in all human experience,
    which, as a lifetime ratioed to eternity,
    is individually limited to almost negligible
    twixt sleepings, glimpses
    of only a few local episodes
    of one of the infinite myriads
    of concurrently and overlappingly operative
    sum-totally never -ending cosmic scenario serials.

    With these four meanings I now directly address God.
    "Our God- Since omni-experience is your identity
    You have given us overwhelming manifest:-
    of Your complete knowledge of Your complete comprehrension
    of Your complete concern
    of Your complete coordination
    of Your complete responsibility
    of Your complete capability to cope
    in absolute wisdom and effectiveness
    with all problems and events
    and of Your eternally unfailing reliability
    so to do Yours , dear God,
    is the only and complete glory.

    By glory I mean the synergetic totality
    of all physical and metaphysical radiation
    and of all physical and metaphysical gravity
    of finite but non-unitarily conceptual scenario Universe
    in whose synergetic totality
    the a priori energy potentials of both radiation and gravity
    are initially equal but whose respective behavioral patterns are such
    that, radiation's entropic redundant disintegratings
    is always less effective than gravity's non redundant syntropic integrating.

    Radiation is plural and differentiable,
    radiation is focusable, beamable, and self-sinusing, is interceptible, separatist, and biasble- ergo, has shadowed voids and vulnerabilities; Gravity is unit and undifferentiable.

    Gravity is comprehensive inclusively embracing and permeative
    is non-focusable and shadowless, and is omni-integrative;
    all of which characteristics gravity are also the characteristics of love.
    Love is metaphysical gravity.

    You, Dear God,
    are the totally loving intellect ever designing
    and ever daring to test
    and thereby irrefutably proving
    to the uncompromising satisfaction
    of Your own comprehensive
    and incisive knowledge of the absolute truth
    that, Your generalized principles adequately accommodate
    any and all special case developments, involvement's,
    and side effects;

    wherefore Your absolutely courageous,
    omni-rigorous and ruthless self-testing alone,
    can and does absolutely guarantee,
    total conservation of the integrity
    of eternally regenerative Universe

    Your eternally regenerative scenario Universe
    is the minimum complex of totally inter-complementary
    totally inter-transforming non-simultaneous,
    differently frequenced
    and differently enduring
    feedback closures of a finite
    but non-unitarily conceptual system
    in which naught is created and naught is lost
    and all occurs in optimum efficiency.
    Total accountability and total feedback
    constitute the minimum and only
    perpetual motion system.

    Universe is the one and only
    eternally regenerative system.

    To accomplish Your regenerative integrity
    You give Yourself the responsibility
    of eternal, absolutely continuous,
    tirelessly vigilant wisdom.

    Wherefore we have absolute faith and trust in You,
    and we worship You awe-inspiredly,
    all-thankfully,
    rejoicingly,
    lovingly,
    Amen." ..."
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Unfortunately it's rather difficult to accuse someone of trolling in the Religion subforum, since religion itself is, basically, trolling. So we Moderators don't have a lot of power here.

    For all we know, that gibberish might be copied directly from his religion's holy book.
     
  19. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    That was religion!? :bugeye:
    I could swear it was fancyscience...
     
  20. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    I will therefore assume you carefully read every post in the religion subforum, and are knowledgeable of all the scriptures of the world's religions, down to chapter and verse.
     
  21. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    i was going to say something about that, but the above is not really worth a response
     
  22. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    I am very sorry for your misfortune. Religion and spirituality are supposed to lift the spirit into joy. Unfortunately, when you mix science with religion, you get this goopy headcase mess. God created the universe and created certain laws of physics that are observed by the scientific community. The Holy Bible and other religious texts were meant to ease suffering and raise the spirits of believers into levels of joy.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Holy Bible and other religious texts were meant to ease suffering? Or was it to establish order?

    Science and other creative logistics are the actual expressions of the amount of joy and suffering of peoples and the causal forces.
     

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