Everything we see is happening right now, no matter how far away it is.

jalaldn

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Light has real-time energy transfer; let's explore whether this is true.

According to light—what does this mean?

It means everything we see is happening right now, no matter how far away it is.

According to current theory:
If the Sun appears suddenly (as we see it from Earth), it takes eight minutes for us to see it. Likewise, if the Sun suddenly disappears, it takes eight minutes for us to notice.

According to my theory:
If the Sun appears suddenly, it takes eight minutes for us to feel it.

But if the Sun suddenly disappears, we will feel it immediately.

Evidence:
In my theory, everything we see is real-time action, no matter how far away it is. (This means light takes time to reach the observer, but once it arrives, the observation is real-time.)

I decided to conduct experiments to prove this. Someone else had already researched this—Ole Rømer (1644–1710), who measured the speed of light.

He recorded the times when Jupiter’s moon (Io) became visible but did not note the observation locations because he didn’t need to. Let’s imagine this scenario: Look at this picture. https://shorturl.at/oqKNP

If we were closer to Jupiter, we would see the moon before it reaches position 1.

If light traveled with the event (carrying its history), we would observe the same delay from Earth. Ole Rømer would have seen no difference.

But he did observe differences:

When Earth was near Jupiter, the moon appeared at position 8.

When Earth was farthest from Jupiter, the moon appeared at position 9.

He used this discrepancy to calculate the speed of light.

Key Insight:
We only see Jupiter’s moon after its light reaches us—not its position when the light was emitted. For example:

We cannot see the moon moving from positions 0 to 7 because that light hasn’t reached us yet.

When the light arrives, we see the moon’s current position, not where it was when the light began its journey. click here

Full research paper - https://go.nature.com/4ev9sX6
 
Google how light propagates, and Maxwell's equations. Information cannot transfer faster than c. If something happens to the Sun, it will take us eight minutes to find out. Remember the speed of light is the same for all observers per the SToR...

 
If a hypothetical theory contradicts a real phenomenon, which side is wrong?
Is physics about knowing the specifications of an object, Or is it about preserving the words of scientists in this world?
I want your answer. Tell me, does it (real-time energy transfer) happen or not?

see link https://go.nature.com/4kEdFt7
 
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You need to define for us what you mean by "real-time." I am not sure it means what you think it means. Please post that definition here, without just pointing to a link.
 
Real-time energy transfer means. that the energy does not take any time to travel to its destination.
 
Real-time energy transfer means. that the energy does not take any time to travel to its destination.
OK but the sun's influence - in any form - light, gravity, etc. - takes 8 minutes to reach us.

So ... not real time energy transfer.


I think you are confused about what your theory purports. And I think you are confused about what a theory is.
 
OK but the sun's influence - in any form - light, gravity, etc. - takes 8 minutes to reach us.

So ... not real time energy transfer.


I think you are confused about what your theory purports. And I think you are confused about what a theory is.
Ole Rømer would have measured the speed of light and noticed some difference when Jupiter was close to the Earth and when it was far from the Earth. What difference did he see?
 
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The question that comes after this , I will reply again tomorrow morning after 10 am India Time.
 
The simple fact that radar works disproves your idea. In its simplest form, radar works by sending a radio pulse out and then waiting for it to return. But the main point is that the receiver is switched off as the pulse is transmitted, and isn't turned on until after the pulse has been sent and the transmitter is shut off. If your idea was correct, then the pulse would cease to exist the instant the transmitter shut off, and there would be nothing for the receiver to detect when it turns on. There has been no evidence to suggest that radio waves would behave differently than light in the visible range in this manner.
 
The simple fact that radar works disproves your idea. In its simplest form, radar works by sending a radio pulse out and then waiting for it to return. But the main point is that the receiver is switched off as the pulse is transmitted, and isn't turned on until after the pulse has been sent and the transmitter is shut off. If your idea was correct, then the pulse would cease to exist the instant the transmitter shut off, and there would be nothing for the receiver to detect when it turns on. There has been no evidence to suggest that radio waves would behave differently than light in the visible range in this manner.
( light takes time to reach the observer,) but once it arrives, the observation is real-time.

Maiyavadu , That is after I introduced it Others will be added. Now I have only included light, electricity and magnetism in my article. I am only responsible for answering that now.
 
[...] It means everything we see is happening right now, no matter how far away it is. [...]

Direct realists never seem to give up.

Whenever still functional, it takes circa 45 hours for NASA to send a signal to the Voyager 1 space probe and receive a minimal response back. The latter is not the immediate status of the craft, but over 22 hours before. EM waves -- both the visible and invisible ranges -- travel intervening distances at a finite rate.

Limits on the speed of information simply highlight how representation begins even before nerve impulses and brain processing. There is no direct or non-mediated contact with the original source of a sensory manifestation.
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( light takes time to reach the observer,) but once it arrives, the observation is real-time.

Maiyavadu , That is after I introduced it Others will be added. Now I have only included light, electricity and magnetism in my article. I am only responsible for answering that now.
If light takes time to reach the observer then so does the energy it carries. So energy is not transferred instantaneously.

You seem to be in a muddle here. What are you claiming?

And what is Maiyavadu?
 
[...] ( light takes time to reach the observer,) but once it arrives, the observation is real-time. [...]

The neural operations producing a visual experience are occurring within a period crudely analogous to "right now". But the external event that such a perception concerns still transpired in the deeper or non-immediate range of the past (IOW, earlier than the brain activity).
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The concept seems to implicitly bypass physics and suggest some kind of telepathic connection that forms visual imagery instantaneously after an initial arrival of an image that first traveled with physical constraints.

That or it's suggested that once light emitted or reflected from a given source reaches something that absorbs its, it creates some kind of entanglement-like instantaneous connection, and "optics" ceases to be limited by the speed of light somehow. The following images that would come with a delay somehow ceases to exist, instead of creating some kind of multiple/constant-exposure version of Olber's paradox.
 
Direct realists never seem to give up.

Whenever still functional, it takes circa 45 hours for NASA to send a signal to the Voyager 1 space probe and receive a minimal response back. The latter is not the immediate status of the craft, but over 22 hours before. EM waves -- both the visible and invisible ranges -- travel intervening distances at a finite rate.

Limits on the speed of information simply highlight how representation begins even before nerve impulses and brain processing. There is no direct or non-mediated contact with the original source of a sensory manifestation.
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1 light takes time to reach the observer,)
2 but once it arrives, the observation is real-time

This sentence talks about two speeds.

Second speed. No one would know that there is such a thing in this world.

In the future, real-time communications may take place without disconnecting.
 
If light takes time to reach the observer then so does the energy it carries. So energy is not transferred instantaneously.

You seem to be in a muddle here. What are you claiming?

And what is Maiyavadu?
First, tell me whether the event I posted in this post is happening or not,

And then tell me whether the same thing is happening or not by looking at the link below.
 
First, tell me whether the event I posted in this post is happening or not,

And then tell me whether the same thing is happening or not by looking at the link below.
Light takes a finite time to propagate through space. It takes time to send signals to satellites to earth and back. This is why GPS works the way it does.
There is no "real" time in the way you are using it.
There are "events" and the light from those events travel at C to reach us.
The light reflected from the moon takes over a second to reach us, the sun 8 minutes, days to voyager and years to the nearest stars in the milky way.
We are always seeing observing these events in the past.
 
So emphatically no, everything we see is not happening as we see it, it is happening in the past, if we are looking into space we are looking into the deep past.
 
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