Ether model

Michael 345 said:
More whence coming the Intelligence

Seems, and this is us Minions take - Intelligence - the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills - requires at least for something to be present to do the acquiring

It is a minor change in the Special Pleading
Everything must have a cause
god? Oh no god has always existed

Slightly different, same principle

something to be present to do the acquiring of knowledge and skills
where did such something come from? Well it has always been present

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To your last statement

Indeed .
 
To clarify my last Post (end of last Page), in my Ether Model, a key detail of the model of creation of our kind of world, out of an earlier etheric world, that I omitted, is that the particular kind of etheric radiational forces, that could have led to the quantum-scale kinds of forces needed to create our kind of world, would be that in one particular region of an earlier world where etheric-scale forces were fluxing and radiating, and in which quantum and atomic moieties,and Entity, could have first arisen, were in one "special" part of that ether-world where the radiating local etheric forces just happened to be very linear, due to random local factors.

In my Model, if the ether happened to contain an area where ether units were vibrating more linearly than in the other areas (where ether units were vibrating comparatively quietly and randomly), in that particular area, the more-linearly-vibrating ether units would have been aligning (therefore with their vibrations making more contact with each other, and thus entraining), at a higher level, this could have produced larger units, up to the size of quantum units and atoms, and in this "special" place in that ether-world, an area could appear where quantum, and atomically-structured, moieties, along with a creational Entity, could have appeared, for the first time.
 
A way to better conceptualize my model of the ether would be to think of it in a context of "the ether arose first-causally, so the ether exists everywhere."

One implication of this is the question of the nature of Time. -Theorists are not agreed on the nature of Time. -With my model of a universal vibrational ether, Time represents a Rate, specifically the vibratory rate of the elemental ether units, because the ether is everywhere, both inside and outside of everything.

Another implication would be the question of how light, such as beams of light from the sun, propagate. -Quantum physics, which rejects ether, claims that quantum units of light, called photons, travel through space to arrive at distant spots like earth. Photons in the area of a light beam can measure in the trillions. -A theoretic question that arises would be - how are these photons able to accomplish the "trip," when the source of the light energy is millions of miles away?

To apply my ether model to the question, one first considers the existence of an underlying vibrating ether existing throughout the intervening space. Then, once the light-forces are produced by the sun, their etheric components begin to interact with all the nearby etheric units in their vicinity. -These ether units, which had been in their normal state of vibrating quietly and randomly, now start to react to the linear energic forces originating from the sun. The spatial ether units react by aligning with each other, and as their vibrations interact, a vast profusion of underlying ether units in space begin to form a continuous transmissional connection with each other, which has a photonic type of vibrational pattern. -This, in my model for light propagation, is the basis of how the light gets transmitted through space.

Looking at how this would work at the level of the ether units, one would consider how etheric vibrations basically interact with each other. One would not picture each etheric unit to be entirely contiguous with other ether units, being vibrational, but they would nonetheless be able to form a continuous transmission through space, as their vibrations become linearly aligned with each other, due to the effect of the linear energies of the sun.

Thus, the picture of the way light propagates through space from the sun would be that the basic forces occur at the level of the ether, and the photons that we observe are actually being generated all along the path of the light beams, as ether units align and entrain with each other, forming larger and larger units, up to the size of quantal photons, all along a continuous path through space.

(The model for how larger units, like photons, get produced, from alignment and entrainment of ether units, has been given in previous posts. -The basic idea is that small ether alignments, exemplified by the depiction of "Yin and Yang" type unit-pairings, when they contact another matching pair, their matching vibrations cause them to "lock and link up," producing a tetrad, and so on, forming larger and larger energy units.)
 
So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that you have no real knowledge of science and just make up stuff that seems to make sense to you, but to anyone with any knowledge of science finds juvenile? That about sums it up.
 
origin said:
So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that you have no real knowledge of science and just make up stuff that seems to make sense to you, but to anyone with any knowledge of science finds juvenile? That about sums it up.
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I didn't "make the material up." If you look back at earlier posts in this Thread, I mention having used codebreaking of putatively-otherworldly sets of codes, which was where I got the basic ideas for this model of the ether..
 
Michael Anteski said:
The way I see it,at least, is that if the codebreaking method of inquiry happened to shed valid insights that conventional inquiries appear not to have, then it's worth looking into.
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Except that, without experimental verification, you have no way of knowing that it has 'shed valid insights'.
So what you are doing here is no different than divining horoscopes from the random positions of planets.
 
Michael Anteski said:
I didn't "make the material up." If you look back at earlier posts in this Thread, I mention having used codebreaking of putatively-otherworldly sets of codes, which was where I got the basic ideas for this model of the ether..
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All that is telling me is that the stuff you made up is from your delusions. It is still made up.
 
My opinion is that this Ether Model deserves to be considered a serious contender, if it were to get the attention of the Mainstream.
 
Michael 345 said:
Of course you do

What effort have you put in to draw mainstream to its existence?

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This Ether Model runs counter to the Consensus in mainstream quantum physics. Editors of mainstream publications have usually replied to my submissions (if there was a reply at all) with comments such as "I wouldn't know where to start" or even "where are your mathematics?"
 
Michael Anteski said:
This Ether Model runs counter to the Consensus in mainstream quantum physics
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I gathered that
Michael Anteski said:
Editors of mainstream publications have usually replied to my submissions (if there was a reply at all) with comments such as "I wouldn't know where to start"
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Guessed that would be a response
And if no mathematics you would get
Michael Anteski said:
"where are your mathematics?"
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If you send in only descriptive prose you, in essence, are asking the review persons to do the mathematics
Not going to happen
Mathematics can be checked, prose not so

:)
 
I just ran across this little gem by Roger Penrose.

What I gathered is that pre-BB size was of no consequence as compared to a permittive infinite backdrop.
Nor was time. Any moment in infinity is the"beginning".

 
Michael Anteski said:
Editors of mainstream publications have usually replied to my submissions (if there was a reply at all) with comments such as "I wouldn't know where to start" or even "where are your mathematics?"
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That is funny on so many levels. I can't believe you submitted these ideas of yours. Thanks for the laugh. I like the comment, "I wouldn't know where to start". I have the same thought when I read your posts.
 
I might go into further detail on one aspect of my Ether Model, its sub-model for "first cause" (which preceded a later, somewhat different process, designed creation of our quantum/atomic world.)

If we accept the possibility that otherworldly sources have left clues to cosmic mysteries, we could look at the well-known depiction of "Yin and Yang," as one possible example. It shows a pair of tear-drop shaped units joining together. -If it was intended to show a key process in the origin of our world, what could that be.

In my Ether Model, if an ether exists, it has to be universal. If universal, its origin had to be connected to a first-causal process. As I described in earlier posts, my Model proposes that the very first world-setting could only have been original space, and my Model proposes that since original space differed from present space, being more "pure," i.e., free from everything else, such as forces, it could have been extremely self-compatible. Space then could have "shimmered," with extremely-tiny, "elemental," point-like localities oscillating, reciprocally with the other elemental "points."

Then, my Model proposes, neighboring points underwent oscillatory fatigue, so that they moved toward each other, similar to the depiction of Yin and Yang. Moving directionally for the very first time, the two units then changed their shape. Previously, their "reciprocity" shape had probably been spherical. Now, besides changing shape, they also underwent a change in their type of orientation toward each other and toward the other elemental points. -Whereas they had been in a state of perfect reciprocal oscillation with other units, now the oscillatory motion changed from reciprocal oscillation to independent vibration. Now, their outward vibrations could interact through contacting each other. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals, for example.)

The way this fits into my Ether Model would be that then, wherever one such "couplet unit" contacted another identical couplet, their matching vibrations would lock, and link them up. Two couplet units would become one tetrad unit.

My Model proposes that this is a template for how how larger and larger units form in the ether matrix, up to the size-scale of protons and atoms.
 
Michael Anteski said:
I might go into further detail on one aspect of my Ether Model, its sub-model for "first cause" (which preceded a later, somewhat different process, designed creation of our quantum/atomic world.)

If we accept the possibility that otherworldly sources have left clues to cosmic mysteries, we could look at the well-known depiction of "Yin and Yang," as one possible example. It shows a pair of tear-drop shaped units joining together. -If it was intended to show a key process in the origin of our world, what could that be.

In my Ether Model, if an ether exists, it has to be universal. If universal, its origin had to be connected to a first-causal process. As I described in earlier posts, my Model proposes that the very first world-setting could only have been original space, and my Model proposes that since original space differed from present space, being more "pure," i.e., free from everything else, such as forces, it could have been extremely self-compatible. Space then could have "shimmered," with extremely-tiny, "elemental," point-like localities oscillating, reciprocally with the other elemental "points."

Then, my Model proposes, neighboring points underwent oscillatory fatigue, so that they moved toward each other, similar to the depiction of Yin and Yang. Moving directionally for the very first time, the two units then changed their shape. Previously, their "reciprocity" shape had probably been spherical. Now, besides changing shape, they also underwent a change in their type of orientation toward each other and toward the other elemental points. -Whereas they had been in a state of perfect reciprocal oscillation with other units, now the oscillatory motion changed from reciprocal oscillation to independent vibration. Now, their outward vibrations could interact through contacting each other. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals, for example.)

The way this fits into my Ether Model would be that then, wherever one such "couplet unit" contacted another identical couplet, their matching vibrations would lock, and link them up. Two couplet units would become one tetrad unit.

My Model proposes that this is a template for how how larger and larger units form in the ether matrix, up to the size-scale of protons and atoms.
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So a post full of speculation leads you to a scientific template for how how larger and larger units form in the ether matrix, up to the size-scale of protons and atoms.

Truly scientific approach

:)
 
Michael Anteski said:
I might go into further detail on one aspect of my Ether Model, its sub-model for "first cause" (which preceded a later, somewhat different process, designed creation of our quantum/atomic world.)

If we accept the possibility that otherworldly sources have left clues to cosmic mysteries, we could look at the well-known depiction of "Yin and Yang," as one possible example. It shows a pair of tear-drop shaped units joining together. -If it was intended to show a key process in the origin of our world, what could that be.

In my Ether Model, if an ether exists, it has to be universal. If universal, its origin had to be connected to a first-causal process. As I described in earlier posts, my Model proposes that the very first world-setting could only have been original space, and my Model proposes that since original space differed from present space, being more "pure," i.e., free from everything else, such as forces, it could have been extremely self-compatible. Space then could have "shimmered," with extremely-tiny, "elemental," point-like localities oscillating, reciprocally with the other elemental "points."

Then, my Model proposes, neighboring points underwent oscillatory fatigue, so that they moved toward each other, similar to the depiction of Yin and Yang. Moving directionally for the very first time, the two units then changed their shape. Previously, their "reciprocity" shape had probably been spherical. Now, besides changing shape, they also underwent a change in their type of orientation toward each other and toward the other elemental points. -Whereas they had been in a state of perfect reciprocal oscillation with other units, now the oscillatory motion changed from reciprocal oscillation to independent vibration. Now, their outward vibrations could interact through contacting each other. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals, for example.)

The way this fits into my Ether Model would be that then, wherever one such "couplet unit" contacted another identical couplet, their matching vibrations would lock, and link them up. Two couplet units would become one tetrad unit.

My Model proposes that this is a template for how how larger and larger units form in the ether matrix, up to the size-scale of protons and atoms.
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What of neutrons though ? Where do they come from .
 
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