"Emotional Wargame"?

Guyute

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Well it is very late and it is time for me to go to the eternal land of slumber(my bed)....But i would to leave you all somthing to ponder.I wrote this down today on a peice of paper and i dont know if it makes anysense.....well here you go


Emotion fucks up everything, would we be better off without it? "Being hurt"....the only defense from it is to be alone, but being alone also breeds hurt and pain in itself. It is an endless cycle..."Is There No PEACE!!!?" Is there no state in wich people can be content in. Is there any state of being without there being pain and suffering. Emotions cause this pain, Do they not? Love, solutiuon or problem? It may bring a feeling of euphoria to the couple but it also breeds the emotion jealousy the some other people and that causes pain and problems, Does it not? I there anything to control these impluses? EMOTION+INDIVIDUALITY=HUMAN BEING....No?..... in order to elimate emotions we must eliminate individuality, Dont we? We want peace and to end all pain, but we also dont want to lose indivuality. What are we to do?

"Trigun"A butterfly is cought in a spiders web. You want to save the butterfly but at the same time you dont want to harm the spider, so you scoop out the butterfly and let it go. You did this and you didnt harm the spider, or did you. There is no equal state.....in saving the butterfly you killed the spider by taking its food away and starved it. But if you didnt do anything the spider would have survived but the butterfly wouldnt have.......you cant save bolth....sacrifices need to be made. we must choose what matters more to us.......indivuality or emotions(pain, Suffering)

Well, if that made any sense please write, even if it didnt write anyways..........God my head is messed up......well goodnite....:D

-Guyute-
 
we play the game because we want peace or say we want peace and playing the game is the only way to get there even though it takes you through all the pain and suffering. but once you get peace, what else is there? emotions make you feel alive. it is an endless struggle to acheive balance (peace) but you never get there or want to get there until it is time for you to die. death is the only peace i know of.
 
Let me first just say that, yes, emotions can hurt very bad at times, but don't discredit them. Without emotions there wouldn't be much of a human in you. When they get out of control, however, they can cloud judgement, make you more impulsive, etc.

In my field there's a diagram. I've attached it to this post (mind.gif). It shows two circles, one representing the emotional mind, another representing the rational mind. Each one has it's benefits and downfalls. It's when these two are balanced, you get what's called the "wise mind" (where the circles overlap). This is when we are most level-headed, and connected with our worlds.

It sounds like you are going through a lot emotionally Guyute. I imagine it might be about what we were talking about a week or so ago. I sense this from the style of your post, but maybe I'm wrong.

Take Care,
Xenu
 
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A world without emotions

You say that emotions mgiht be horible things because of all the pain they cause. Even when they are emotions of joy, you link it back to pain. And, what you have said it true. The problem is that without emotions, we don't become mindless, we just don't care. Individuality would still exist, because we would still have different experiences, from which we would develop different ideas of 'normalicy'. We would still have differing intellects and educations.

Ever been on alot of prozak or similar antidepressants? They don't make you happy. They make everything grey. Everything becomes this boring place where nothing excites you, because in addition to not hitting the extreme lows, you also do get the highs. You don't like the emotion, there you go.

Besides, pain can be a good thing. A SO leaves you. Sure you might be sad/ depressed/upset at first, but there is a good chance that later you will get angry at then and, to spite them in a sense, live your life to the fullest. Pain driving you to enjoy yourself.

Point being that why the negative side of feeling sucks, you need it to appreciate the positive. Its the whole eastern duality, you know? If we were happy all the time, would it really be all that great?
(and don't blindly say 'yes it would". ) Being happy is an emotional high from our everyday life. if it was our everyday life, it wouldn't be happiness, it would be existing. Joy and pain only have meaning when compared to one another.
 
Y'all are missing the point. Guyute isn't saying that he wants to be happy all the time, he's saying something much more profound:

Emotion fucks you up. Whether it's pleasant, unpleasant or pleasently unpleasant, it's disruptive and unwelcome

But what can you do?
 
Originally posted by Xev
I swear to fucking god, I live for the day they learn how to do that.

Al Gore would make a good teacher for you.

Emotions are overrated...specially love....i am getting tired of people making threads about how they are having problems with love....why can't people just fuck around with each other and go back to their beds happy and guilt free...no connections and no shit.
 
Thnaks

Well im back....and thank you all for your help(espically you xenu, you hit the nail on the head)....i realized that emotions are to important to get rid of......with out them we would be reduced to mere animals.....well, thank you all for your help, i feel alot better now:D
 
i realized that emotions are to important to get rid of......with out them we would be reduced to mere animals.....
Well, w/o them youd be left as something not human, not organic i'd say. W/O rational mind, you'd be an animal. But as long as you got the main idea you're good to go.

Sarge, why, why do you always describe something so chaotic?! Please do look at Xenu's diagram! He's a very smart boy, his 2 cents really are valuable...
 
anger is the only emotion that matters, the rest come and go with no great effect, not to say that they are totally unimportant, I like anyone else likes to feel joy, but in the end it is the way you harness anger or are harnassed by it that will determine your fate.
 
Originally posted by whitewolf

Sarge, why, why do you always describe something so chaotic?! Please do look at Xenu's diagram! He's a very smart boy, his 2 cents really are valuable...


I respect his opinion very much indeed. I however find emotion to be more harmful than benefeciery but do not mind my excessive cynicism, i am just that way i guess....blame my emotions???:bugeye:
 
my excessive cynicism, i am just that way i guess....blame my emotions???
UGH... Due to your emotions, you are as sweet as you are. Remember, Kindness is also an emotion. Dont forget Sense of Humor is one of those too. The list can go on.
 
The diagram that I posted isn't law, but a basis. Actually, without emotion, we'd be "less" than animals (actually animals are very emotional creatures), we'd probably be vegetables.

I say this because after studying the brain I've found emotional centers and rational centers work hand and hand. From what I understand of emotion, aside from reflexive responses, they are what give us energy to do practically everything in our lives.

Also, conviction is an emotion, which is extremely important for rationality.

For instance...

reason tells us 2 + 2 = 4
emotions (conviction) tell us that the expression 2 + 2 =4 is correct.

The numbers are arbitrary, conviction is needed to have faith in these expressions.
 
yes. anger is the most important. for its when your swayd by anger that you make big desicions and when you cause the most havoc.
 
Emotions are overrated...specially love....i am getting tired of people making threads about how they are having problems with love....why can't people just fuck around with each other and go back to their beds happy and guilt free...no connections and no shit.
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so true. i cant see how any1 can love any1. its merely for the sex and perhaps practical perposes, having a companion to help survive. but at this point humans have no real enimy other than eachother so it would make more sence to be solitery animals and simply interact out of nesesity and to breed.

who was it a long time ago that said

"observing humans is like comenting on the hiarchy of a lion pride then squabling for w/ them over meat" or sumthin like that.
there is no practical point to love. or to have friends for that matter. way back when we needed friends to help us hunt and such. w/ technology that is obsoleet. we are more eficiant being emotianaly solitary and only coming together to work and breed.

yah im fucked up like shit. dont even bothewr telling me.
 
Emotion is everything

Why do we do anything? Clearly we have motivation in some borader sense. If we had no set of what I call emotions and instincts, then we would remain utterly motionless.
 
Originally posted by cthulhus slave
there is no practical point to love. or to have friends for that matter. way back when we needed friends to help us hunt and such. w/ technology that is obsoleet. we are more eficiant being emotianaly solitary and only coming together to work and breed.

To survive nowerdays, perhaps the social emotions are obsolete. But they are still there and will influence us whether one likes it or not.
 
/Emotion fucks up everything

It is also the only reason things are worthwhile. Your problem is your choice of perspective.

/would we be better off without it?

OMG no. No no no. Life without emotion isn't meaningful, it's just data collected and analyzed by a mechnism. Completely hollow.

/"Being hurt"....the only defense from it is to be alone, but being alone also breeds hurt and pain in itself.

Unquenched expectation is generally the root of pain regarding relationships. Pain is a result of thinking things are one way and realizing that's not true. If you have no expectations you can't be emotionally hurt. You just react as you should. If a jerk, you respond to jerk. If groovy, then you respond to groovy. Tweak out your response and you're good to go. Generally the best tactic for jerk is abandonment, but it does vary. Bah, just trying to say being hurt is what you make of it. Certainly the natural tendency may be to breed more hurt and pain, but if you apply your will to make a choice, you can choose that hurt and pain to be an education instead, a part of your enlightenment, an indicator as to the nature of things that is only bad if you think it is. (if you think of it as external to the machine, you're likely to see it as rust, but if you see is as part of the machine, you may see that this "rust" is actually paving the way for something else, or a pain inherent to the pleasure of love (the balance of love so to speak)) Bah, pardon ramblage.

/It is an endless cycle...

Oh it will end.

/"Is There No PEACE!!!?"

There is peace for some. Maybe you're not able. Maybe you are. What do you think?

/Is there no state in wich people can be content in.

Contentment is in aspects and degrees. A lot of the time I feel wholly contented. Sometimes not as much. Goes with mood, circumstance, etc.

/Is there any state of being without there being pain and suffering.

I think so yeah.

/Emotions cause this pain, Do they not?

Sure, and the opposite.

/Love, solutiuon or problem?

Neither. Circumstance. Effect and cause. Only a solution or problem subjectively.

/It may bring a feeling of euphoria to the couple but it also breeds the emotion jealousy the some other people and that causes pain and problems, Does it not?

Sure does.

/I there anything to control these impluses?

Yes. Depends on the individual as to what that control consists of. For me, it's understanding. I think and analyze and understand, and I get peace from it. It's also disturbing. I think it's well worth it as it seems my purpose.

/EMOTION+INDIVIDUALITY=HUMAN BEING....No?..... in order to elimate emotions we must eliminate individuality, Dont we?

yeah probably. eliminating emotions is a horrible idea though. definition of bleak.

/We want peace and to end all pain, but we also dont want to lose indivuality. What are we to do?

Understand. Maybe love and stuff too. Try to be good people, forgive ourselves when we aren't and do our best to learn from it. That kind of thing.

/"Trigun"A butterfly is cought in a spiders web. You want to save the butterfly but at the same time you dont want to harm the spider, so you scoop out the butterfly and let it go. You did this and you didnt harm the spider, or did you.

you didn't harm the spider, but you did change the odds of his procuring a meal. (of course 'harm' is somewhat obscure and I generally associate it with intent)

/There is no equal state.....in saving the butterfly you killed the spider by taking its food away and starved it. But if you didnt do anything the spider would have survived but the butterfly wouldnt have.......you cant save bolth....sacrifices need to be made.

Boy that's true. You don't think it's worth it? I think the alternative is far worse. Oh man life without emotions is a horrifying thought to me. Yikes.

/we must choose what matters more to us.......indivuality or emotions(pain, Suffering)

you only associate pain and suffering with emotion? maybe you need more comedy in your life?

/Well, if that made any sense please write, even if it didnt write anyways..........God my head is messed up......well goodnite....:D

It made some sense. Your head will probably fix itself, hang in there. Understanding for yourself that it's possible to fix it is half the battle. Bah, pardon, sleepy, late. Night night.
 
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