Electric cars are NOT a pipe dream. Fossil fuel cars are for greedy, selfish people.

[Russ_Watters]

I have been saying all along that the price of oil would rise until it couldn't be afforded and after that the economy would experience grave damage. That is exactly what happened.

Yeah, no, that's not what you said. A few posts in and you're already lying about your past failures. Here's one of your previous claims, from Jan 2013, early in the first thread:

"After 2015, we will cross over into permanent depletion. That means about a 4-8 percent shortfall every year from then on. That is up to 2X as bad as the first oil shock in the 1970's, over and over again, every year. Hypothetically, gasoline will be 12−24 a gallon the first year, and 24−48 a gallon the next, except that the economy will completely collapse before that can happen."

Indeed, there are actually two contradictions vs your current predictions in there:
1. You claimed a supply shortfall based price spike -- contrary to your current claim that supply and demand do not apply.
2. You claimed that the exorbitantly high price of oil/gas would cause the economy to collapse -- except that the price of oil/gas went down and the economy hasn't collapsed: even if the economy does collapse later, you'd still be wrong!

 

[Billy T]

Hey Billy T.

I have been saying all along that the price of oil would rise until it couldn't be afforded and after that the economy would experience grave damage. That is exactly what happened. ---Futilitist

Yes. It has "risen" from over $100/BRL to today's $39/ BRL !

Have any more strange math or preposterous stories?

 

[Futilitist]

Yes. It has "risen" from over $100/BRL to today's $39/ BRL !

I have been saying all along that the price of oil would rise until it couldn't be afforded and after that the economy would experience grave damage. That is exactly what happened.

We have reached the thermodynamic limit to the oil price.



---Futilitist

 

[Futilitist]

Yeah, no, that's not what you said. A few posts in and you're already lying about your past failures. Here's one of your previous claims, from Jan 2013, early in the first thread:

Indeed, there are actually two contradictions vs your current predictions in there:
1. You claimed a supply shortfall based price spike -- contrary to your current claim that supply and demand do not apply.
2. You claimed that the exorbitantly high price of oil/gas would cause the economy to collapse -- except that the price of oil/gas went down and the economy hasn't collapsed: even if the economy does collapse later, you'd still be wrong!

This has all been well covered on the Etp confirmation thread. You know that. Quit trying to throw up a smoke screen. And don't call me a liar! It is against the rules.



---Futilitist

 

[Russ_Watters]

This has all been well covered on the Etp confirmation thread. You know that. Quit trying to throw up a smoke screen. And don't call me a liar! It is against the rules.

I didn't call you a liar, I said you are lying. There's a difference (I don't know - and don't claim - if you lie about everything, just about this). If you don't want to be called a liar, stop lying.

In any case, unresponsive again. Why don't you tell us what your new prediction for when this apocalypse will be noticeable? Last year you said it would be noticeable via social unrest by the end of summer. When, now, can I expect to notice this apocalypse?

 

[Billy T]

... And don't call me a liar! It is against the rules. ---Futilitist

Not when documented by reposting your own earlier posts, like 318 of the Apocalypse Soon thread where you claimed increasing production cost would force oil prices to rise and economic collapse because of the rise; But now you are claiming, in post 135 of this thread, that you were correct in your earlier predictions (of a rise, etc.).

 

[Futilitist]

I didn't call you a liar, I said you are lying. There's a difference (I don't know - and don't claim - if you lie about everything, just about this). If you don't want to be called a liar, stop lying.

I am not lying. You are extremely rude.

The readers of this science forum, if there were any, would wonder why your arguments are so terrible, and yet you think you are winning anyway. You seem way too proud of yourself and way too angry at me. So does everybody else. You all seem a little stressed out to me. It is like there is some sort of agenda here. I am so sorry to disturb this transparent propaganda machine with the truth.

In any case, unresponsive again. Why don't you tell us what your new prediction for when this apocalypse will be noticeable? Last year you said it would be noticeable via social unrest by the end of summer. When, now, can I expect to notice this apocalypse?

There is no way for me to predict that. You are so deep in denial that I doubt you will ever notice.



---Futilitist

 

[billvon]

I have been saying all along that the price of oil would rise until it couldn't be afforded and after that the economy would experience grave damage.

Uh - no, it didn't. Reality:

The economy collapsed due to the collapse of the MBS bubble.
Oil prices dropped precipitously AFTER the bubble popped, since lower economic output equals lower spending on everything (including oil)
The economy recovered.
Oil prices ROSE - indicating that your claim that oil was no longer affordable is false.

That's what really happened.

 

[Futilitist]

Um, billvon, the quote you keep bringing up was from 2012 and I was talking about what would happen in the future from there. So my statement had nothing to do with the 2008 spike and crash.

In 2008, the oil price did not stay at 147.50 dollars per barrel for very long. It did damage the economy, though. Then the oil price went back up and stayed over 100 dollars per barrel for several years. The oil price crossed the maximum affordable oil price curve around March of 2012. It stayed above the curve until it finally began to crash in June of 2014. So my statement is perfectly consistent even if you claim not to understand why.

So, aside from your obsessive objection to something I once said in 2012, do you have any real arguments? If you do, please post them on the Etp model confirmation thread. Thanks.



---Futilitist

 

[billvon]

Um, billvon, the quote you keep bringing up was from 2012 and I was talking about what would happen in the future from there. So my statement had nothing to do with the 2008 spike and crash.

So your quote ignored recent history. OK.

So, aside from your obsessive objection to something I once said in 2012, do you have any real arguments? If you do, please post them on the Etp model confirmation thread. Thanks.

That your predictions have been consistently wrong, and that you attempt to revise them after the fact to make yourself look like you are less wrong.
That you ignore the cost of production of oil.
That you have no understanding of basic economics.
That you base your theories on your philosophy rather than on reality.

Those are the basics.

 

[Futilitist]

As I said before, if you want to talk about the Etp model, do it on the appropriate thread. This one is about electric cars.



---Futilitist

 

[Russ_Watters]

The readers of this science forum, if there were any, would wonder why your arguments are so terrible, and yet you think you are winning anyway.

Given that you're the one who gets your threads locked and has the real scientists/engineers challenging you, I'm pretty comfortable with how I'm perceived vs you are perceived.

There is no way for me to predict that. You are so deep in denial that I doubt you will ever notice.

Then tell me when a reasonable person would notice. Updating the "civil unrest" prediction you made last year would be a good start: when do you think the civil unrest is going to start now?

As I said before, if you want to talk about the Etp model, do it on the appropriate thread. This one is about electric cars.

So why did you post it in here? Trolling?

 

[Futilitist]

Given that you're the one who gets your threads locked and has the real scientists/engineers challenging you, I'm pretty comfortable with how I'm perceived vs you are perceived.

The argument from authority given by an authoritarian.

Then tell me when a reasonable person would notice. Updating the "civil unrest" prediction you made last year would be a good start: when do you think the civil unrest is going to start now?

I don't know. Stop trying to muddy the Watters.

It is like you are afraid to try to make a serious argument about what I am presenting now.

So why did you post it in here? Trolling?

Not at all. Why are you are so paranoid? I had just left an answer to billvon's post that he left for me at another establishment. I noticed his post here (since I am also interested in electric car pipedream delusions) and thought I would say hello (and direct him to my post). I noticed you were here too and I didn't want you to feel left out, so I included you as well. Neither one of you seems very happy to see me.

Is your obvious hatred of me affecting your scientific objectivity, perhaps?



---Futilitist

 

[Russ_Watters]

I don't know.

Ahh, excellent. So when push comes to shove, you are actually less sure of this two-year old economic collapse than you were when you first claimed it started. That is at least a little progress.

 

[Billy T]

The modern makeover of Edison's battery can fully charge in about 2 minutes and dump its energy load in less than 30 seconds — about 1,000 times faster compared with the original. Existing prototypes can only hold enough power for a flashlight, but Stanford University hope to scale up the fast-charging battery to make Edison's dream competitive once more in electric cars.

 

[Billy T]

Hey Billy T.
I have been saying all along that the price of oil would rise until it couldn't be afforded and after that the economy would experience grave damage.
That is exactly what happened. ---Futilitist

When did that grave damage happen?

I quoted Futilitist's post 140 of this thread, made less than a year ago! (When oil prise was rising to peak of ~3 times it present cost but Futilitist claims to have always been correct!)

 

[Billy T]

Qiantu Motor, set up by car design company Beijing CH-Auto Technology Co., is currently building a factory in the eastern city of Suzhou to produce the electric car with a carbon-fiber body and aluminum frame... The sports car, K50, is to debut next year with a starting price of about 700,000 yuan ($106,000), ... More details at:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...in-china-promises-to-debut-106-000-e-roadster

 

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When did that grave damage happen?

I quoted Futilitist's post 140 of this thread, made less than a year ago! (When oil prise was rising to peak of ~3 times it present cost but Futilitist claims to have always been correct!)

If this post entices him to come back with more of his Ecoli model junk it will you on your head!

Of course with oil at about $50 a barrel he probably wouldn't show anyway.

 

[billvon]

Of course with oil at about $50 a barrel he probably wouldn't show anyway.

Won't slow him down a bit. He will have a secret ETQ model that shows that if oil prices rise over $100, then fall to $30, then recover to $50, what it REALLY means is that we are all going to die in a year from the coming oil-pocalypse. There will be rioting in the streets! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

 

[origin]

Won't slow him down a bit. He will have a secret ETQ model that shows that if oil prices rise over $100, then fall to $30, then recover to $50, what it REALLY means is that we are all going to die in a year from the coming oil-pocalypse. There will be rioting in the streets! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

No kidding! I've seen shit that would turn you white!