yeah, so. What does that have to do with smoking pot every day vs smoking heroin every day? I think the world would fall apart in either case.
If everyone did Vicodin/hydrocodone/oxycontin every day, I think the results would be the same.
Drunks vs Stoners
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yeah, so. What does that have to do with smoking pot every day vs smoking heroin every day? I think the world would fall apart in either case.
If everyone did Vicodin/hydrocodone/oxycontin every day, I think the results would be the same.
Nothing but most people who do smoke pot everyday, like I do, are still smart enough to not smoke it all the damn time. I do not smoke weed before I go to work and I don't go to work high.
Plus some people CAN still function normally when they're high. Like I said, I'll get fried with my friend Kenny, then we'll go get on our bikes and ride all the stuff we've built in his backyard. In fact, I've crashed more on that bike sober than when I'm high.
that's cuz when your high you don't realize you've snagged the neighbour kid's tricycle.
:bugeye:
You gotta come up with something more creative than that.
Oh sorry,my bad. the three wheeler. Hmmm, I'm starting to wonder why my grandma was so damn happy pedaling around and around the block :m:
Fraggle Rocker
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It's pretty difficult for most people to stay high on pot continuously. Four hours by ingesting it, maybe six hours by smoking it if you have several more hits every time you start to come down... for the average person that's just about it. If they doggedly keep trying beyond that they just get lethargic or even sleepy rather than being able to refresh the intoxication. It must have something to do with the need to regenerate endorphins, which is a common issue with some other drugs too.
Most adults can get a good high on grass about once a day and then they have to wait until tomorrow. Children--who knows? Their bodies work differently from ours and so do their minds, which, again, is the reason drugs should be a "rite of passage" like voting and driving and screwing and deciding whether to skip a class.
Yeah, we've all met the fellow who seems to be able to be high all the time--if only because he's so visible. Pick any quality and there are bound to be some one-percenters out there who are way beyond the bell curve.
But I think some of those people just get used to the mood and the attitude and the behavior and have learned how to do it even when they're not stoned. That's hardly remarkable. People discover musical nuances, artistic techniques, ways to have fun with their pets, philosophical insights, sexual tricks, even game strategies, when they're stoned, and they remember how to follow through with them later. So hanging onto behavior that's just plain goofy can't be much of a challenge.
Be careful about generalizing from one class of drugs to another. For a trivial example, would you say the same thing about caffeine? It's a highly psychoactive drug that tens of millions of people take every day and it does indeed change the behavior of a large percentage of them. (And turns me into a maniac.) Has the world gone to hell since Europe discovered coffee, tea and chocolate during its colonial era? Au contraire, it's been hypothesized that the introduction of coffee to Europe was one of the key changes that led to the Renaissance and Enlightenment.
It's certainly been argued that the widespread use of marijuana played a great role in the slow drift of American (and European) culture away from its previous stereotype of being ready to jump into every war it could reach. Notwithstanding Iraq (and Bush was more of a drunk than a stoner
), foreigners are now complaining that we didn't send troops into Burma, the Congo, Tibet, Georgia, Darfur, etc.But to get back to your tirade about the opiates, people this old geezer talked to a few decades ago who remembered when they were legal say you're wrong. A hundred years ago doctors and lawyers took morphine or even heroin regularly and then went out and did their jobs like everybody else. Cocaine was available in drugstores; my grandfather was a pharmacist and he sold it along with clean needles (people didn't snort in those days), clean and carefully measured doses, and instructions, and many professionals shot coke. (Or drank it in their Coca-cola.)
As I have noted elsewhere, based on the observations of people who were first-hand witnesses in earlier eras (including Prohibition, which "got women going to bars"), most of the problems we attribute to drugs are the second-order effects of their illegality and the predictable phenomena that accrue to a black market and a counterculture.
I've always heard that marijuana had a reverse tolerance, with chronic users getting high much more easily than newbies.
I know a guy who ran someone over while lighting a joint and didn't even realize it until he got arrested for a hit and run.
Fraggle Rocker
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No. Assuming the mode is ingestion, the high comes on slowly and in order to avoid giving too much you'd start them with a small quantity. If it's too small you might just wait for the next time and adjust it instead of taking all night to get it right since it takes 30-60 minutes to get into the blood and in about 4 hours it starts to dissipate. Newbies can be hard to deal with even with the last-generation method of smoking or the new smokeless vaporizers. They might be nervous or paranoid, blocking the high, or they might have trouble loosening up enough to notice it.
And these are the anecdotes that everybody remembers. The other sixty million people who had no disasters or other ill effects are forgotten, while this one-percenter has a police record so our national drug policy is crafted for him.
I wish they'd keep a formal log of the dangerous and anti-social things people do while jacked up on caffeine. I'd rather share the commute with ten stoners than one tailgating lane-jumping horn-blasting finger-thrusting Starbucks junkie.
Well, I tryed pot a few times and all but one time noticed no effect whatsoever. The last time I tried it, we went go-carting and I was too paranoid to drive the damned go cart properly. I kept slowing down at every turn and feeling as though I was going 200 mph, whereas when I normally rode a go cart I'd kept the pedal floored the entire time. Not enjoyable at all.
This guy was a real idiot and probably didn't have the brain cells to spare to be using pot. This same guy once blew the door off the incinerator at Jewel. A friend had shown him how it was kind of cool to throw a can of Lysol in the incinerator and hear it explode. So he decided to try it one day. He threw a can in and, when nothing happened after a short while, he tossed the entire case in. He stood there for a few minutes and came out to the floor of the store saying, "Hey, I just threw a whole case of Lysol in the incinerator and nothing"......BOOOM!!!!!!!! When those cans all blew they tore the door right off of the incinerator and a mist of Lysol spread across the enrire store like the fog rolling in. Needless to say, he was fired.
PS I'm pro-legalization, I don't care what you do to your own body. As far as I'm concerned, no drug should be illegal to use. Perhaps some should be illegal to sell, but none should be illegal to use.
how about some drunken idiot stories
Fraggle Rocker
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Many people have that experience--with many drugs. I knew a bunch of people who couldn't figure out what the big deal was about pot, as well as several who never once got off on LSD or mushrooms and thought cocaine was very mild and not worth the trouble. Drugs like alcohol, nicotine, caffeine and opium that affect nearly the entire population and have nearly the identical effect on all of them are small in number.
Marijuana induces a very healthy sense of paranoia, the reason the users cause so few road accidents.
As I mentioned earlier, anecdotal evidence consistently indicates that marijuana shaves off ten or more IQ points. That's why it's so popular among attorneys and engineers who can function that way and discover their artistic side when their logical side isn't ruling their lives. People who don't have ten IQ points to spare should not try pot except under the most controlled circumstances, and even then you have to ask why.
In a free market, if there's something people want, somebody will find a way to provide it. All you accomplish by pushing a popular commodity onto the black market is... well just look at the reports of life under Prohibition. Booze full of poisonous wood alcohol, prepared clandestinely by people willing to take the risk. Cops and DAs on the take. Prices through the roof. (With hard drugs the prices go so high that addicts can't afford them on their salaries so they turn to crime.) Gangsters making more money than honest businessmen, serving as alluring role models for children... who are recruited as runners because they're less likely to be prosecuted.
You can buy drugs in prison. You could by drugs in the Soviet Union. Clearly making sales illegal doesn't work, and the second-order effects of prohibition are ruinous.
I just laughed so hard at this...
I did to. I can just picture it. Should be in a movie
I think we should move one step at a time.
I think all drugs should be legal in their natural form. This would legalize marijuana, khat and coca leaves.
I think alcohol is a dangerous and destructive toxin that kills people.
As to the OP, driving stoned is much better than driving drunk.
My mother was an alcoholic. Violent, psychotic and malicious and now dead at 64. My Dad is still alive, living in the Philippines, with 18 year old wife number 5 with a sun tan and a bong. My vote is for weed. Everyday or recreational rather than alcohol used in the same way. I wonder if Holland's violent crime is far lower? Anyone Dutch here and can tell us if that's true.
I agree completely, and that's the exact example I always use when making the case. If we can't even keep drugs out of prison, how the hell could we ever keep them out of a free country?