sculptor
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You seem to assume that Russians were completely in control of those drones every inch of their way into Poland.
Why?
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TheVat
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I never assumed that - per my first post on this thread.
sculptor
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Yeah, it's actually kind of like an internet discussion: No matter how many times I see it, I must always presume it's an accident because that person just wouldn't really do it on purpose.
But like one expert said on TV: One drone might be an accident; a few drones might be an accident. Nineteen drones, though, isn't an accident. Moreover, they flew two hundred ffifty miles into Polish airspace, which really doesn't seem like an accident.
Moreover Russia also flew at least one drone in Romanian airspace for fifty minutes; again, just doesn't seem like an accident.
But,yeah, it's kind of like having a discussion 'round here:
"You can't say he did it on purpose. That's cancel culture! Besides, he has the right to fly drones in Russian airspa-a-a-a-ce!"
"Cancel culture! Why do liberals always have to shut down the discussion!"
(You do realize that wasn't Russian airspace?)
"Cancel culture! Why do liberals always have to shut down the discussion!"
Toward which, perhaps the most striking accomplishment of the Russian war in Ukraine is the wreckage of Hetalia fan art; the boylove drawings look even worse when we think of Trump and Putin.
foghorn
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Tiassa, you've been forgetting your deep breathing routine again, haven't you.
You missed out white supremacists and J. K. Rowling.
You missed out white supremacists and J. K. Rowling.
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"Say You Love Me": America makes a stand. (Source image: Fan art by K. Menou, ca. 2015)
Your priority.
Which leads once again to the obvious reminder of your own advice↗ that you shouldn't be taken seriously.
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I suppose the fourth-wall question goes something like this: ¿When the obvious player makes the obvious statement in a ritual performance that we're all aware of, why would we presume this is the one occasion when the ritual station, the obvious performance, is true and genuine?
The differential, of course, being the presupposition of Putin as a rational actor according to particular presuppositions not necessarily in effect. But it's true, prima facie, I'm inclined to doubt another strategic accident.
(It's one thing if we are not ready to accept Putin as an irrational actor, but there remains a question of what anchors Putin's rationalism. The entire course of this war pretty much refuses middling conventional wisdom, e.g., that "waving their dicks" at Poland and even Germany makes little sense. Of course it makes little sense, but I do not presume Putin's actions to be sensible in such a mundane and conventional context.)
Looks like I was right. Today:
Romania Says Russian Drone Entered Its Airspace
It was the second time in less than a week that a Russian drone had flown through a NATO member’s airspace. Last week, NATO scrambled fighter jets to shoot down Russian drones in Polish airspace.
I love that word in this context, it stirs excitement and chaos. Yet, I still see an eggbeater whisking f-18s.
TheVat
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FWIW I've actually modified my initial take as I gleaned more information. It wasn't an accident, agreed. As a test of Polish/NATO response, however, I find it rather peculiar - what did they expect would happen? Poland knocked down the drones and refrained from aggression - was Russia hoping for something else? It just seems a clumsy sort of test that doesn't really advance their interests, but I may revise this opinion also, pending more information and analysis. My time is limited today and tomorrow (a rollaway car smacked into our front porch today, so things be a little busy), but will get back to this ASAP.
Take your time, or even pass on by; the more direct expression of the question is now in play, and since that was what I was after: When the obvious player makes the obvious statement in a ritual performance that we're all aware of, why would we presume this is the one occasion when the ritual station, the obvious performance, is true and genuine?
And that's probably more important than the reinterpretation of Hetalia fan art.
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Image note: The text in the image is from Masha Gessen, 2015↱; the image occurred to mind because of the Hetalia jokes, but I had actually forgotten the whole gay-conspiracy thing had to do with Ukraine:
「In the Kremlin, [Elton] John's proposal could be taken literally. The Russian leadership believes in a worldwide gay conspiracy, even a backroom global gay government that is trying to take over the world. Back in December 2013, when the Russian parliament was discussing the protests in Ukraine, the chairman of the foreign relations committee, Alexei Pushkov (who will be accompanying Putin to the UN), warned that if Ukraine moves toward the West, it will become part of 'the sphere of influence of gay culture' — as directly opposed to the Russian sphere of influence. Reporting on John's speech in Kiev last week, Russia's highest-circulation daily stated that John 'invited Ukraine to join the gay community.' So the same newspaper could imagine that if Putin had, indeed, picked up the phone to call John, he would have secured a direct line to the gay rulers of the world — and he could communicate to them that he was a reasonable man who shouldn't be criticized quite so harshly.」