Dragon's Underground Bunker - Purchase or Build Your Own?

darksidZz

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Recently dragon has brought to all our attentions the importance of owning an underground facility for protection. If ever there were a World War 3 this bunker would need to be concealed, easily accessable to you, and contain needed supplies for survival. The questions surrounding such a place are numerous.

1. How do you find the location?

2. Do you contract it's construction or build it yourself?

3. What sort of supplies would be needed for such a thing?

4. Would it only have room for you or could someone else come along?

5. What would prevent others from taking it over?

Those are some of the various concerns I have with dragons idea. The main concept to realize is SURVIVAL. Here is a link to one proposed design:

http://www.alpinesurvival.com/nuclear_bomb_shelters.html

This is a possible link for information on high risk areas.

http://www.earthmountainview.com/shelters.html

So tell us what to do? If we don't have alot of money are we out of luck in the new world?
 
conceal the location.
build it yourself.
you need a shovel
cement
and steel wall segments
Also have a metalcasting equipment


Make sure that this facility is built somewhere in the mountain area...with lots of rocks underground.
Make sure that the facility is camouflaged.
Also make sure it is big enough for you to remain at least a year.

Have ventilation shafts that take in and out the air and possibly water that absorbs the radiation better, make sure the ventilation shafts are very long and are ending in high area.
Make sure to have supply area...with tons of water...and canned food...and vitamin supplies/pills.
Make sure to have some sort of bed and electricity generated by your own mechanical movement (this you have to build yourself) spin the wheels and the electricity is stored to produce light and power everything else.

Make sure to have a bathroom with some sort of release system to the outside...without exposing yourself to the radiation.
 
I'd build my from rocks, earth and wood in an area remote enough that nobody would care to waste a nuke on.
That way I don't have to bother myself with chemical purification units, airtight doors, excess expenses and attention, etc.
Probably would build it with some of my friends.

Alas I don't see a nuclear war coming in my area for any forseeable future, so I won't bother building one.
 
Antarctica. No rainfall, which is the biggest spreader of radiation and weaponised germs and chemicals, yet a lot of fresh water in the ice. Also remote. Ice is also a good insulator and protector.
 
I'd build my from rocks, earth and wood in an area remote enough that nobody would care to waste a nuke on.
That way I don't have to bother myself with chemical purification units, airtight doors, excess expenses and attention, etc.
Probably would build it with some of my friends.

Alas I don't see a nuclear war coming in my area for any forseeable future, so I won't bother building one.

You underestimate the power of nuclear cloud drift. One small Chernobyl and half of Ukraine is cancerogenic, as well as Russia's west, as well as Belarus south.
 
If things are so bad I have to hide in the ground, forget it. I'll find a warehouse and throw a big party.
 
Not really, you just kill yourself after that.
preferably with some really trippy drugs.
 
My Uncle Alec's shed. It's not, in the strictest technical sense, underground - it's in his back yard - and nor is it fully (or even partly) radiation-proof. However, the lock on the door is thick enough to deter even my Auntie June (a big, angry bear of a woman).

God, I'm bored.
 
Any way, why all this talk of burrowing in the sand (or space)?
Everything's fine.
 
Dragon, I thought space was the only place you thought of as a viable refuge?

it is, if I get to escape there before this war starts. I at least thought I had a chance, become an astronaut and escape to Mars...but now I can actually sense this war close by.
 
Any way, why all this talk of burrowing in the sand (or space)?
Everything's fine.

If USA will attack Iran, Russia might be involved and if USA will use nukes...we all will use nukes. And if nukes explode...the entire planet will be covered with radiation, clouds of radioactive air sweeping by the houses, evaporating people, their lifes...their dreams. I still got a dream, I want to leave this planet before my dream is gone.
 
OK, to survive a nuclear attack is definately possible and does not require living underground for a year. First, for a dirty bomb:

IF ONLY A 'Dirty Bomb' Attack (Not the vastly more devastating nuclear weapon blasts with fallout discussed below.)
- You can expect localized and downwind contamination from the explosion and dispersed radioactive materials. If you
are near enough to see or hear any local bomb blast, assume that it includes radiological or chemical agents. You should
move away from the blast area as quickly as possible. If the wind is blowing toward you from the direction of the blast,
travel in a direction that is crosswise or perpendicular to the wind as you move away from the blast area. If possible cover
your face with a dust mask or cloth to avoid inhaling potentially radioactive dust. Upon reaching a safe location, remove
your outer clothing outside and shower as soon as possible. Refer to local news sources for additional instructions about
sheltering or evacuation. The government is better prepared to direct and assist the public in a 'dirty bomb' incident,
unlike an actual nuclear weapon attack discussed below.
Now for a real nuke:
The principles of radiation protection are simple - with many options and resources families can use to prepare or improvise
a very effective shelter. You must throw off the self-defeating myths of nuclear un-survivability that may needlessly seal
the fate of less informed families.
Radioactive fallout is the particulate matter (dust) produced by a nuclear explosion and carried high up into the air by the
mushroom cloud. It drifts on the wind and most of it settles back to earth downwind of the explosion. The heaviest, most
dangerous, and most noticeable fallout, will 'fall out' first close to ground zero. It may begin arriving minutes after an explosion.
While the smaller and lighter dust-like particles will typically be arriving hours later, as they drift much farther downwind,
often for hundreds of miles. As it settles, whether you can see it or not, fallout will accumulate and blow around everywhere
just like dust or light snow does on the ground and roofs. Wind and rain can concentrate the fallout into localized
'hot spots' of much more intense radiation with no visible indication of its presence.
This radioactive fallout 'dust' is dangerous because it is emitting penetrating radiation energy (similar to x-ray's). This radiation
(not the fallout dust) can go right through walls, roofs and protective clothing. Even if you manage not to inhale or
ingest the dust, and keep it off your skin, hair, and clothes, and even if none gets inside your house, the radiation penetrating
your home is still extremely dangerous, and can injure or kill you inside.
Radioactive fallout from a nuclear explosion, though very dangerous initially, loses its intensity quickly because it is giving
off so much energy. For example, fallout emitting gamma ray radiation at a rate of 500 R/hr (fatal with one hour of exposure)
shortly after an explosion, weakens to only 1/10th as strong 7 hours later. Two days later, it's only 1/100th as strong,
or as deadly, as it was initially.
That is really very good news, because our families can readily survive it IF we get them into a proper shelter to
safely wait it out as it becomes less dangerous with every passing hour.
What stops radiation, and thus shields your family, is simply putting mass between them and the radiation source. Like
police body armor stopping bullets, mass stops (absorbs) radiation. The thicker the mass, the more radiation it stops. Also,
the denser (heavier) the mass used, the more effective it is with every inch more you add to your fallout shelter. The thickness
in inches needed to cut the radiation down to only 1/10th of its initial intensity for different common materials is: Steel
3.3", concrete 11", earth 16", water 24", wood 38", etc. The thickness required to stop 99% of the radiation is: 5" of steel,
16" of solid brick or hollow concrete blocks filled with mortar or sand, 2 feet of packed earth or 3 feet if loose, 3 feet of water.
You may not have enough steel available, but anything you do have will have mass and can be used to add to your shielding
- it just takes more thickness of lighter wood, for example, than heavier earth, to absorb and stop the same amount of
radiation. Increasing the distance between your family and the radiation outside also reduces the radiation intensity.
In fact,
most people will only need to stay sheltered full-time for a few days before
they can start coming out briefly to attend to quick essential chores. Later,
they can begin spending ever more time out of the shelter daily, only coming
back in to sleep. As miserable as it might seem now, you and your family
can easily endure that, especially compared to the alternative.
This is all from: http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
It has a lot of information, but the take home message is that, unless you're at ground zero, a nuke is survivable. Staying in even an impromto shelter for even a few days can mean the difference between life and death.
 
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