Does time exist outside of consciousness?

[grzegorzsz830402]

Ok,
I think eventually we will be able to explain everything within context of behavioural biology.

And I think I could get a crack at explaining what you suggest in context of behavioural biology.

But eventually you would come up with example that I would not be able to explain.


So let focus on things that we currently can not explain.

What do they prove?

Do they disprove earlier method of explanation?

Not necessarily, just because we can not explain it now don't means that we won't be able to explain it in a future.

Yet, you would be wright to point out that it do not also means that we will be able to explain it in a future.

We just don't know.

So does that points out to possibility that this explanatory method has reached its limits?

Yes in some sense, sometimes that is the case, yet not always.

Even if the explanatory method in question is struggling with addressing something that do not validate alternative automatically.


But, lets assume for purpose of this conversation that, why we decided to do this instead of that, have roots in something that we can not grasp, something like soul.

What does that change?

 

[Olga]

Ok,
I think eventually we will be able to explain everything within context of behavioural biology.

And I think I could get a crack at explaining what you suggest in context of behavioural biology.

But eventually you would come up with example that I would not be able to explain.


So let focus on things that we currently can not explain.

What do they prove?

Do they disprove earlier method of explanation?

Not necessarily, just because we can not explain it now don't means that we won't be able to explain it in a future.

Yet, you would be wright to point out that it do not also means that we will be able to explain it in a future.

We just don't know.

So does that points out to possibility that this explanatory method has reached its limits?

Yes in some sense, sometimes that is the case, yet not always.

Even if the explanatory method in question is struggling with addressing something that do not validate alternative automatically.


But, lets assume for purpose of this conversation that, why we decided to do this instead of that, have roots in something that we can not grasp, something like soul.

What does that change?

Я же материалистка, Гжегож. Мы должны объяснить всё, что только может прийти нам в голову. Раз есть вопрос, значит, должен быть и ответ.
Насчёт свободы воли. Я думаю, это зависит от того, является ли Вселенная бесконечной, или конечной. Если она конечная, то и количество вариантов наших действий тоже будет конечным. А если она бесконечная, то тогда остаётся некая свобода выбора, потому что количество вариантов тоже будет неограниченно. Это в рамках моей модели, потому что в ней при любом изменении любого объекта во Вселенной, одновременно изменяется вся система, вся Вселенная. Т.е. Вселенная является единым связанным организмом, единой системой. Так интересно получается - и детерменизм, и свобода одновременно.

 

[grzegorzsz830402]

"Universe is infinite or finite. If it is finite, then the number of options for our actions will also be finite. And if it is infinite, then some freedom of choice remains, because the number of options will also be unlimited."

Couldn't you have freedom of choice in finite set?

Does infinite set merely allows possibility of infinite set of choice, or does it guarantees freedom to pick from them?

 

[Olga]

"Universe is infinite or finite. If it is finite, then the number of options for our actions will also be finite. And if it is infinite, then some freedom of choice remains, because the number of options will also be unlimited."

Couldn't you have freedom of choice in finite set?

Does infinite set merely allows possibility of infinite set of choice, or does it guarantees freedom to pick from them?

У нас просто не остаётся выбора, кроме как делать выбор. При конечном количестве вариантов выбор будет в пользу наименее энергозатратного, т.е. ближайшего. И свободы воли не будет. А при бесконечном количестве вариантов их может одновременно быть больше одного. Вот, кстати, одновременность при бесконечности, в скольки вариантах возможна?

 

[grzegorzsz830402]

"By the way, simultaneity at infinity, in how many options is possible? "

I don't follow. (I don't understand)

 

[Olga]

"By the way, simultaneity at infinity, in how many options is possible? "

I don't follow. (I don't understand)

Сколько точек можно столкнуть одновременно?

 

[Pinball1970]

Другие существа - это вирусы и бактерии?

Microbiology was one of my strongest areas. We also have, fungi, plasmids, virons, virus, plasmodium, intracellular parasites among others.
You give me a disease I could give you the Latin binomial, incubation, diagnosis, symptoms, treatment and prognosis.
In 1987!

 

[Olga]

Microbiology was one of my strongest areas. We also have, fungi, plasmids, virons, virus, plasmodium, intracellular parasites among others.
You give me a disease I could give you the Latin binomial, incubation, diagnosis, symptoms, treatment and prognosis.
In 1987!

Все болезни вызваны микроорганизмами?

 

[Pinball1970]

Все болезни вызваны микроорганизмами?

No just the infectious ones.

 

[Pinball1970]

Все болезни вызваны микроорганизмами?

One of things that destroyed my faith actually. I did a module called, " the cellular basis of disease," and prior to that, " organisms in applied Biology."
All the ways the human body can wrong shocked me at that young age.
I was thinking, how the hell do we survive with all these biological landmines around?
Why would a loving creator make the world this way? So much pain, disease, horrible suffering, fear and death?
I was still a Christian during this time but not for long.

 

[Olga]

П

One of things that destroyed my faith actually. I did a module called, " the cellular basis of disease," and prior to that, " organisms in applied Biology."
All the ways the human body can wrong shocked me at that young age.
I was thinking, how the hell do we survive with all these biological landmines around?
Why would a loving creator make the world this way? So much pain, disease, horrible suffering, fear and death?
I was still a Christian during this time but not for long.

Пин, в юности многие через такое проходят. А разве мы могли бы быть совсем без бактерий? Их же вроде бы несколько килограммов в любом организме?

 

[Pinball1970]

П

Пин, в юности многие через такое проходят. А разве мы могли бы быть совсем без бактерий? Их же вроде бы несколько килограммов в любом организме?

We could probably live without polio and TB, Malaria, Epstein Barr, CMV, Ebola, River blindness, HPV.......and others

 

[Olga]

We could probably live without polio and TB, Malaria, Epstein Barr, CMV, Ebola, River blindness, HPV.......and others

А наука уже определилась с тем, что такое вирусы? Они относятся к живым организмам?

 

[Pinball1970]

П

Пин, в юности многие через такое проходят. А разве мы могли бы быть совсем без бактерий? Их же вроде бы несколько килограммов в любом организме?

A lot of those microbes you reference are called "opportunistic pathogens." They live with us, on us, in us, even helping with things like Vitamin metabolism, "good bacteria?" That is correct however, should we provide those same friendly bacteria with an opportunity to kill us they take it.
A deep cut, a tampon left in too long, a perforated bowel, a burst appendix, a weakness in the immune system? Off they go, replicating producing powerful toxins that kill us.

 

[Olga]

A lot of those microbes you reference are called "opportunistic pathogens." They live with us, on us, in us, even helping with things like Vitamin metabolism, "good bacteria?" That is correct however, should we provide those same friendly bacteria with an opportunity to kill us they take it.
A deep cut, a tampon left in too long, a perforated bowel, a burst appendix, a weakness in the immune system? Off they go, replicating producing powerful toxins that kill us.

А человек мог бы жить вовсе без бактерий?

 

[(Q)]

The Barna study

The Barna Group are Evangelical Christians on a mission to expand their church. They are biased, their information is inflated and misleading, they have been accused of fraud. 62%, according to Pew Research identify as Christians. When questioned further, some people called themselves Christians simply because they were nice people and associated being nice with being Christian, often these people never attended church, or prayed or any other practice.

So, your information is bogus.

 

[(Q)]

What a joke, Martin. Usually a person does not care about other people. If someone starts attacking someone, it means that he cares. Why are you attacking Christians, Martin?

Either the translations are so bad that my words are getting completely messed up or you have a serious reading comprehension problem. I have explained this to you several times now.

 

[(Q)]

Almost always, any government is just the tip of the iceberg. It was the free choice of the American people. Better think about why they made this choice?

They made the choice because they are gullible and stupid, characteristics common of Christians.

Well, then this is also your shortcoming, you should have paid more attention to spiritual values and education.

Those are opposite ends of the spectrum and it was spiritual values that got us into this mess because those idiot Christians lack education.

You need to start criticizing yourself. Conduct an unbiased "debriefing" and work on your mistakes.

So, I should criticize myself for not voting for Trump and not wanting the country to be destroyed, and wanting my allies to be my enemies and my enemies to be my allies? Your brain doesn't work.

 

[(Q)]

Because I get the gist of things quickly.

And yet, no matter how times someone explains something, you just keep asking the same question as if the answer went in one ear and out the other with no pause in between.

 

[Olga]

They made the choice because they are gullible and stupid, characteristics common of Christians.

Those are opposite ends of the spectrum and it was spiritual values that got us into this mess because those idiot Christians lack education.

So, I should criticize myself for not voting for Trump and not wanting the country to be destroyed, and wanting my allies to be my enemies and my enemies to be my allies? Your brain doesn't work.

Значит, ты считаешь, что американский народ глуп и доверчив? Правильно ли я тебя поняла, Мартин? И после такого высказывания ты ещё удивляешься почему тебя и твоих единомышленников никто не выбирает?