Does the U.S.A really have a democracy?

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YinyangDK

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You all live in a part of the world that call themself a democracy.

By that definition it is the majority that gets to call the shoots!

Therefore if the majority of the population would like to have free healthcare the democracy could make it so!



Do the U.S.A. really have a democracy?

Lets look at other forms of ideologies.

You can sum up all ideologies in very few words because it is the basis of a society:



Democracy: The majority (51 %) gets to call the shoots!

Tyranny: One person gets to call the shoots, who cares for only him self!

Monarchy: One person gets to call the shoots, who may or may not be good to the people and the his son or dauther gets to call the shoots after that person is dead.

Oligarchy: A minority gets to call the shoots, who cares most for others who are a part of that minority.

Wikipedia explains it like this: is a form of government where political power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society (whether distinguished by wealth, family, military powers or spiritual hegemony). The word oligarchy is translated into "rule by few."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy



So If you have a democracy in the U.S.A. then how come it looks like and behaves as an Oligarchy?



Sure you get to vote........ that is democratic, but who gets to sit on the throne?

What does it take to become a president?

What does it take to become THE spokesman for the 51% of the people?

It takes money!

Q: How many in the U.S.A. have the capital to run for president?

A: A very select few!



Now what you could do to make the U.S.A a true democracy is to do what other countries have done before you.

Denmark a small country by size and population, but we are a true democracy.

Sure we vote for a primeminister who gets to sit on the throne, but he or she do not get to call all the shoots!

Anyone who are active in politics in denmark, even on a local plan, and are a part of politic party can become primeminister and/or become a minister in general. All it takes is to be politically active and over the age of 18.



Im sure that most Americans do not know what a true democracy really is, because if they did they would not be fooled by the people who in reality runs their country.



Take a look on what wikipedia has to say on the matter of the danish democracy and compair it to your own.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Denmark



YinYangDK. Aarhus, Denmark.
 
It's colloquially called a democracy, but the technically correct term is a republic.
 
do the U.S.A really have a democracy?
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The long answer is no.

The evidence of this can be seen by the fact that when abortionists, homosexuals, and child rapists want to march or demonstrate they do so in front of the Supreme Court building and not in front of Congress.

If democracy were a factor in US politics, traitors and enemies would march and demonstate in front of Congress where people allegedly vote.
 
Therefore if the majority of the population would like to have free healthcare the democracy could make it so!
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Nothing in life is FREE! Someone must pay for others to recieve "free" healthcare so I'd think you aren't exactly thinking correctly about this issue. Anoither thing, there's already "free" medical care for those who really need it at local community hospitals or there's a sliding scale at which one pays for services. So if you aren't making much they will only bill you according to what you make and can afford to pay, if anything at all. Then there's Medicare, and Medicade as well as social Security with its health care plan for free. So alreeady there's free health care so I really don't understand your problem all that well.

Again, who will pay for this "free" healthcare you seem to think we need?:shrug:
 
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cosmictraveler said:
Nothing in lide is FREE! Someone must pay for others to recieve "free" healthcare so I'd think you aren't exactly thinking correctly about this issue. Anoither thing, there's already "free" medical care for those who really need it at local community hospitals or there's a sliding scale at which one pays for services. So if you aren't making much they will only bill you according to what you make and can afford to pay, if anything at all. Then there's Medicare, and Medicade as well as social Security with its health care plan for free. So alreeady there's free health care so I really don't understand your problem all that well.

Again, who will pay for this "free" healthcare you seem to think we need?:shrug:
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How much money does the military get to buy new equipment pr. year?
If the majority of the population would like to get FREE health care, no matter socialstatus a democracy would be able to redirect money away from the military and into population healthcare!

Did you know by the way that the average live span of a male american is 45?
In Russia the average live span for a male is 43.
In the poor countries of Africa it is 35.

Is it not a bit desturbing that From one of the poorest countries in the world to the U.S the live span only increase with 10 years?
 
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We are a Representative Democracy. For example, we don't directly elect the President. We vote for our reps in the electoral college to vote for us. So a candidate can win the popular vote and still lose the election (see: Al Gore, 200) We elect officials that do the voting for us. That's why they pass the laws, not us.

As far as who can become President...well, technically, any natural-born citizen age 35 or above can become President. Is there a practical chance that I could become President when I reach that age? No, not at all. But I could run.

Our leaders have found a way to circumvent the system through special-interest groups and corporate money. That's why we have a father and son who have been President. And eventually, another Bush will become President, because they have the resources and recognition. But those are loopholes that are enabled by the ignorance of our citizenry. Our education system sucks, so we're not smart enough to read the writing on the wall.
 
YinyangDK said:
Did you know by the way that the average live span of a male american is 45?
In Russia the average live span for a male is 43.
In the poor countries of Africa it is 35.

Is it not a bit desturbing that From one of the poorest countries in the world to the U.S the live span only increase with 10 years?
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Where on earth did you find that crap?! The average male American life span is 75.29 years, not 45!

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https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html#People

http://www.nysun.com/national/american-life-expectancy-passes-78-years/79783/
 
How much money does the military get to buy new equipment pr. year?
If the majority of the population would like to get FREE health care, no matter socialstatus a democracy would be able to redirect money away from the military and into population healthcare!

Did you know by the way that the average live span of a male american is 45?
In Russia the average live span for a male is 43.
In the poor countries of Africa it is 35.
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First , what the fuck does this have to do with what I asked you as to WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR FREE HEALTH CARE?

Second, your "facts" about death age averages are WRONG! If you will look them up you will see how wrong you are. If you can provide a link as to where these "facts" are located, I'd appreciate it.
 
YinyangDK said:
You all live in a part of the world that call themself a democracy.
By that definition it is the majority that gets to call the shoots!
Therefore if the majority of the population would like to have free healthcare the democracy could make it so!
Do the U.S.A. really have a democracy?
Lets look at other forms of ideologies.
You can sum up all ideologies in very few words because it is the basis of a society:
Democracy: The majority (51 %) gets to call the shoots!
Tyranny: One person gets to call the shoots, who cares for only him self!
Monarchy: One person gets to call the shoots, who may or may not be good to the people and the his son or dauther gets to call the shoots after that person is dead.
Oligarchy: A minority gets to call the shoots, who cares most for others who are a part of that minority.
Wikipedia explains it like this: is a form of government where political power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society (whether distinguished by wealth, family, military powers or spiritual hegemony). The word oligarchy is translated into "rule by few."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olig ... of physicians...special interests in action.
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One final point, the one who receives the majority vote in the United States does not always win. Gore recieved more votes in 2000 than did George II. He had more popular votes. Had be been awarded all of the votes he should have had, he would have won the electorial votes as well. But George II still took office because of his special interest buddies and influence on the supreme court.
 
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It's a Republic, something people seem not to understand, so majority rule or mob rule or whatever you want to call it when 51% wants something has nothing to do with anything.
 
countezero said:
It's a Republic, something people seem not to understand, so majority rule or mob rule or whatever you want to call it when 51% wants something has nothing to do with anything.
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Oh on the contrary, I think people understand it all too well.
 
No, the majority does not rule a Constitutional Democracy. The Constitution also protects minority rights, both of the people, and minority parties or representatives in the Congress.

I think the system in Denmark is pretty cool. One advantage they have is everyone that works hard can get a free education to the graduate level. Having to pay for everything ourselves, many people with potential go nowhere, and consequently think they have little say in how things are run. There are all kinds of Democracies. It's very difficult to keep the influence of money out of it. The Danes tax the hell out of the very rich, and that helps to keep their power fairly in check.
 
"Democracy" is an elusive ideal, and such a concept cannot govern people, especially in the thousands and in the millions.

The US government is a Two-Party Republic, whereby a people elect between two leaders (choices which are controlled by other entities such as business corporations, labor unions, wealthy class, and foreign government lobbies). The electorial college is one of the main institutions which in shows without doubt that the US is not governed directly by the people. It's a facade.

The American forefathers were all part of noble and wealthy families. The dictatorship of the masses was to be prevented at all costs. American people do not know what is good for them (I agree with this statement to a degree). So a government was established to prevent anarchy and chaos, the government system was controlled by two parties, both of which are controlled by the upper class and use rhetoric and naive general propaganda to receive support.
 
Based on popularity, so it's not entirely unjustified. Would Ralph Nader be more popular if he got more TV interviews? Probably not.
 
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