Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

river said:
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No , It wasn't suppose to .

Any Physical Thing has an Inherent Mathematical Nature .

But to say That Mathematics Creates the Physical is Frankly Wrong .
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But I am not saying that....I am saying that the physical is ordered by mathematical imperatives.

Physical matter is basically "dense mathematical patterns" of values arranged into various observable and measurable shapes.
 
river said: ↑
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No , It wasn't suppose to .

Any Physical Thing has an Inherent Mathematical Nature .

But to say That Mathematics Creates the Physical is Frankly Wrong .
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Write4U said:
But I am not saying that....I am saying that the physical is ordered by mathematical imperatives.

Physical matter is basically "dense mathematical patterns" of values arranged into various observable and measurable shapes.
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You did , at one time , the Higgs Boson .

Why are there " mathematical imperatives " ? Define " mathematical imperatives " .
 
Seattle said:
Since this is in the "pseudo-science" forum (under the mistaken belief that it is science) I guess anything you post is appropriate including your statement that "it seems to me".

In reality you are (again) just making up your own meaning for words and phrases that you come across.

There is no "quasi-intelligent" self-ordering. Chaos is just that, largely unpredictable due to complexity. There was no "chaos" at the Big Bang only to become ordered as time went on. Entropy increases as time goes on.

"Governing equations: as a phrase doesn't have the meaning you attribute to it. I applaud your self-restraint to start a thread of this sort without actually mentioning (Tegmark).
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Just stumbled across this thread before logging in. Seven pages, and yet only 8 posts visible to me, of which yours is of course one, thanks to the Ignore filter.

Seems to be mainly a dialogue between Write4U and river. :confused:
 
exchemist said:
Just stumbled across this thread before logging in. Seven pages, and yet only 8 posts visible to me, of which yours is of course one, thanks to the Ignore filter.

Seems to be mainly a dialogue between Write4U and river. :confused:
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I don't recall but river is on my ignore list.
 
Seattle said: ↑
Since this is in the "pseudo-science" forum (under the mistaken belief that it is science) I guess anything you post is appropriate including your statement that "it seems to me".

In reality you are (again) just making up your own meaning for words and phrases that you come across.

There is no "quasi-intelligent" self-ordering. Chaos is just that, largely unpredictable due to complexity. There was no "chaos" at the Big Bang only to become ordered as time went on. Entropy increases as time goes on.

"Governing equations: as a phrase doesn't have the meaning you attribute to it. I applaud your self-restraint to start a thread of this sort without actually mentioning (Tegmark).
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Disagree

Entropy and Order is the Nature of the Universe .
 
If you take away the Real Physical objects , Galaxies , Quasars , Stars , Planets , Moons , Life ; what then does Mathematics base any Mathematics on ?
 
river said:
You did , at one time , the Higgs Boson .
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No, you misunderstood the function of the mathematics in "teasing" the Higgs boson out from the Higgs field. The maths didn't create the boson, introduction of precise mathematical control of the LHC allowed the Higgs to become manifest from the field (for a single instant). The Higgs boson cannot exist independently.
Why are there " mathematical imperatives " ? Define " mathematical imperatives " .
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It is inconceivable that what we see as our universe is the result of a persistent chaotic state of existence.

At the very least it can be expected that Nature demands a form of Logic in order to function at all. After all, we do have a "hard fact" that there is order in the universe. All that remains is to figure out what language is suitable as an inherent "guiding equation" of extant relational values and logical operants, i.e. agebraic functions.

Mathematics is a definable language of Logic. IOW, It has practical value.

Mathematical logic
Mathematical logic is a subfield of mathematics exploring the applications of formal logic to mathematics. It bears close connections to metamathematics, the foundations of mathematics, and theoretical computer science.[1] The unifying themes in mathematical logic include the study of the expressive power of formal systems and the deductive power of formal proof systems.
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Mathematical logic is often divided into the fields of set theory, model theory, recursion theory, and proof theory. These areas share basic results on logic, particularly first-order logic, and definability. In computer science (particularly in the ACM Classification) mathematical logic encompasses additional topics not detailed in this article; see Logic in computer science for those.
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Since its inception, mathematical logic has both contributed to, and has been motivated by, the study of foundations of mathematics. This study began in the late 19th century with the development of axiomatic frameworks for geometry, arithmetic, and analysis. In the early 20th century it was shaped by David Hilbert's program to prove the consistency of foundational theories.
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Results of Kurt Gödel,
Gerhard Gentzen, and others provided partial resolution to the program, and clarified the issues involved in proving consistency. Work in set theory showed that almost all ordinary mathematics can be formalized in terms of sets, although there are some theorems that cannot be proven in common axiom systems for set theory. Contemporary work in the foundations of mathematics often focuses on establishing which parts of mathematics can be formalized in particular formal systems (as in reverse mathematics) rather than trying to find theories in which all of mathematics can be developed.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_logic#
 
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Write4U said:
No, you misunderstod the function of the mathematics in "teasing" the Higgs boson out from the Higgs field. The maths didn't create the boson, introduction of mathematical control of the LHC allowed the Higgs to become manifest from the field (for a single instant). The Higgs boson cannot exist independently.

It is inconceivable that what we see as our universe is the result of a persistent chaotic state of existence.

At the very least it can be expected that Nature demands a form of Logic in order to function at all.

Mathematics is a definable language of Logic. IOW, It has practical value.

Mathematical logic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_logic#
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A field that is Physical , Write4U .
 
Write4U your logic based on Mathematics , has not created a single thing . In and of it's self . Because it can't .
 
river said:
A field that is Physical , Write4U .
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No it is a metaphysical quantum field.
Quanta are not physical, they are a non-descript quantum of energy. AFAIK, particles "emerge" from an excitation of the quantum field.
 
river said:
Write4U your logic has not created a single thing .
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Energy, applied logically (mathematically) can theoretically create everything we see.

That's why we can figure out everything with mathematics, a universal language based on Logic.
 
Write4U said:
No it is a metaphysical quantum field.
Quanta are not physical, they are a non-descript quantum of energy. AFAIK, particles "emerge" from an excitation of the quantum field.
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So your saying that Energy is not Real ? Seriously....; you think this is True .
 
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Write4U your logic has not created a single thing .
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Write4U said:
Energy, applied logically (mathematically) can theoretically create everything we see.

That's why we can figure out everything with mathematics, a universal language based on Logic.
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So who supplies the logic to the Universe ? A God Write4U ? Just asking .
 
river said:
I have in my Theory .

My Cosmology thread , third page in this list of topics . In this General Thread .
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:D You havn't any theory river, at least no scientific theory, only some ignorant unsupported thoughts, that have absolutely no basis in reality.
 
Write4U said:
Energy is real, it just is not Matter. It may become Matter. Think about that......:)
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Energy, very basically, is the ability to perform work

Energy is a measurable property of any relationship between matter and / or systems which have the ability to affect (change via energy exchange) each other or systems
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Types of energy Steamism.com

Units of measurement depend on the type of energy being measured

:)
 
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