I thank those 2 branes have concluded that sure... ther actually is no free will... but life works beter by thankin we do have free will so we can properly punish people who brake our laws / do evil stuff

But even at that point, I cannot promise that the math, physics, chemistry, and biology that come together to create our lives and carry our experiences is not utterly deterministic. That is, there is a range in which experience might look and feel like free will, but the scale of determinism↑ can easily exceed our recognition and comprehension. Or↑, as such, there is no guarantee that we could know, perceive, or otherwise easily recognize that determinism.
Ok… i get what you mean:::Joe Rogan says the paradox we have freewill but some of us want to have all freewill and think we should be outside of God it was simple for us a machine can do it and A.I. may understand more but we cannot go outside the box ? We have examples that there have exceptions and the devil has the freewill where angels could not have freewill but he let it exist and outside his freewill and let humans make mistake. God elt teh devil amde a msitake but he could of fix it all but he elt things go it's natural destiny. Can we think of the box and show there is destiny we can change ? Yes there is.
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Could you rephrase that or, can you just answer that you know a crack head that says they've found God through drugs that they are lying or not?Joe Rogan says the paradox we have freewill but some of us want to have all freewill and think we should be outside of God it was simple for us a machine can do it and A.I. may understand more but we cannot go outside the box ? We have examples that there have exceptions and the devil has the freewill where angels could not have freewill but he let it exist and outside his freewill and let humans make mistake. God elt teh devil amde a msitake but he could of fix it all but he elt things go it's natural destiny. Can we think of the box and show there is destiny we can change ? Yes there is.
I suggest that when it comes to issues of free will, philosophers, neurologists and psychologists might be a better source of enlightenment than comedians/actors.Joe Rogan says the paradox we have freewill . . . .
True - cannot possess the same properties at the same time'. Experiments look at properties, so wave property could show up or particle property, but not in one experiment.This is where I like David Bohm's "hidden variable" theory. I cannot argue the scientific merits but I have never liked the concept of particle-wave duality. IMO a particle and a wave are sufficiently different that they cannot possess the same properties at the same time.
And I believe that it does not in any way suggest religious aspects. I firmly believe in the mathematical neutrality of spacetime geometry.
Doesn't that imply a natural form of choice, albeit unconscious? The choice dictated by the event itself?True - cannot possess the same properties at the same time'. Experiments look at properties, so wave property could show up or particle property, but not in one experiment.
God elt teh devil amde a msitake
This is not an example of determinism or of a lack of free will. You misunderstand the terms.No matter how hard you try to match A and B as presented, you cannot undo your brain's programming to see them differently. There is no free will involved in this. Your brain's original survival programming will not let "you" consciously modify the program and see the colors as being identical.
I understand the term quite well. It is a perfect example of deterministic brain function overriding free will. Try to see the colors the same, you cannot do it, even as they are the same. I think we had this discussion a long time ago.This is not an example of determinism or of a lack of free will. You misunderstand the terms.
That is a false equivalence. Here we are looking at 2 identical apples (squares).You might as well assert that you can't look at an apple and see an orange and call that determinism or a lack of free will
Nope. You're weasel-wording again.It is a perfect example of deterministic brain function overriding free will.
Free will has nothing to do with overriding perception.That is a false equivalence. Here we are looking at 2 identical apples (squares).