Your going back and forth imbecile.
Do people hate the Irish?
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Your going back and forth imbecile.
Denial, a cowards ignorance...Its quite simply true,about the IRA and its US connections that was how they got their funds I do not see what your gripe is are you ashamed...?
Its old ground and yet you still seem to be unable to grasp the truth
Ok. Your just sounding like a hick though. There are all kinds of people in Americas. You cannot just say American and walk away like a child. People come live here for a year and you are calling them Americans.
It was 30 years ago, now your just sounding like a wash woman.
It was 30 years ago, now your just sounding like a wash woman.
I was talking about the people that gave money,government that gave visa'a it should be obvious that in the context of what was being said (as they are who I was talking about)who I meant when saying the US...lol so should the news be more precise..."Americans say no to drugs" well no not every american says no....deaf people use sign..
You are being pedantic and it wasn't 30 years ago it was less than 10 (that the $ paid for terror) but since 9/11 america seems to have woken up.
http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/f...in-269811.html
QUOTE...Jim Dwyer, an award-winning journalist with the New York Times and author of a current best seller 102 Minutes, remembers proposing wearing a badge with the slogan: 'I'm Irish, Pay Up'.
"Fundraising has become a habit with the Irish," said Dwyer. "There is no strategic value for it (the IRA), they are only an obstacle. After 9/11, people will not put up with terrorism in an urban setting.....
its a good thing y/n..
and i'm not walking away but I am going to bed though..
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Hey something is wrong with your name it sayS Pinocchio's Hoof instead of nit wit.
I am going to write this in capital letters in the hopes that it gets through your thick skull. IRA GROUPS WERE SOLICITING FUNDS IN THE UNITED STATES NOT AS A TERRORIST GROUP BUT AS A HUMANITARIAN GROUP.
TWO: PLEASE SEE THE BELOW LINK
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/march97/ireland_3-17.html
CLINTON WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN IRISH PEACE TALKS. HAVE YOU NOT HEARD OF THE 1998 GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT WHICH ENDED HOSTILITIES? AND DID YOU NOT KNOW PRESIDENT CLINTON PLAYED A VERY ACTIVE ROLL IN THE PEACE PROCESS? AND LAST I CHECKED 1998 CAME BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11, 2000 UNLESS ONE OF OUR BUDDIES IN THE PHYSICS FORUM HAS BEEN PLAYING WITH TIME TRAVEL AGAIN.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7266269.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsline/content/articles/2008/03/20/decision_day_video_feature.shtml
http://sinnfein.org/
I REPEAT PEACE WAS IN IRELAND YEARS BEFORE THE 9/11 ATTACK, DUE IN NO SMALL PARTS TO THE EFFORTS OF THE UNITED STATES TO BROKER THE DEAL.
Thanks joe, you saved me some typing, lol.
Well I am not Irish but he is so far off the mark that it is not even funny. Even SAM can tell him where his mistakes are...I think. The bottom line is that he has no clue as to what he is talking about. Especially when it comes to the IRA, but if you are ever in a fight you want the Irish on you side. Very loyal people.
That being said, Irish or not I can tell him things that will make his head spin just because i have been around so many of them. I think i know what he is trying to do but the Irish came a long way in America and they may have supported the IRA (which afa i know would be Catholic) even as far as Ireland and their support for his cause but...It is just hard to explain and you have to see it to believe what i am talking about.
It is really a fine line. I dont think he knows how powerful the Irish in U.S are. The U.S is nothing like what some of these people think it is. Is hard to explain but they are very loyal to U.S and yet they identify with some things he is trying to say. He really is going in circles.
Bad analogy PH. Your destiny here is failure.
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Indeed it is. There is something about the human psychology that allows us to heap all of our insecurities and fears on other groups of humans especially if they belong to a more wealthy or are from more powerful group or nation.
The reality is that the average American is not glamorous and not rich...just an average Joe who values freedom and individual rights. That is not to say we don't have our fanatics, because we do. But in they are the minority.
well then how come omagh bombing was 1998 and they were stoning primary school children in 2001....so you are clueless....lol...it took 9/11 to end the funding of these terrorist's so again get your facts straight....
again dim then why in 1981 and I Quote....
"In May 1981, the U.S. Department of Justice won a court case forcing Noraid to register the Provisional Irish Republican Army as its "foreign principal", under the Foreign Agents Registration Act 1938. A compromise was reached which allowed Noraid to include a written disclaimer against the court ruling stating the document had been signed under force and that Noraid maintained that the IRA was not its "foreign principal". Federal attorneys agreed to this, and Noraid resumed filing its financial returns in July 1984 "
your not that stupid perhaps ignorant to the actions of terrorist's and why did it take till after 9/11 for people to see them as terrorists... http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/f...in-269811.html
Its hard to admit that you have had the wool pulled over your eyes by terrorists....lol humanitarian aid for what....?
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I'M starting to get the picture are you an IRA supporter...I am half Irish my mother was from Belfast..
If you gave money to Noraid thinking these arcadian dreams of an ireland past the reality is you have aided the murder of women and children..you are wrong and have blood on your hands....
You don't sem to get it I have nothing against the Irish, hey perhaps the IRA (like myles said) had a real reason for fighting in the first place (like muslim fanatics now).....but at the end of the day American people (as in those who gave money and visa'a {for simpletons sake)gave millions to support them simple as that...what don't you understand...I have never supported child murderers....hey at least the Iraqis and afghans are attacking soldiers not women and children why..?because they are men not idiots..
I wonder if you see the palestinians as freedom fighters (they have it a lot worse than the irish ever had)(bar the potato famine)
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You really have no clue about the IRA its victims or suchlike at all do you...
If you want to enlighten me then come to this thread...
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=79151
Noraid,st patricks and the morality of terrorist fundraising and give your 2 cents........(which is probably a lot less than folks have given to have children murdered)....
Did the government know as early as 1980 that noraid was a front for the IRA.....................YES.
Did people raise monies which (not all) were then passed on to a terrorist organisation..........YES.
Did bomings,killings and sectarian violence continue untill 2001..........................YES.
Was the murder of Robert McCartney in 2005 last known violent action of the IRA......................YES.
Mr John.....I don't see what the problem is as each statement is correct so there is no debate or argument unless you tell me one of them is wrong...................................?
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Again I have nothing against the Irish you need to read with some integrety not just glance at afew choice words.....your destiny is Ignorance with a sprinkle of denial...(in this case).
How many troops has ireland sent to iraq.....
http://www.tribune.ie/archive/artic...irds-against-sending-irish-troops-to-iraq-po/
It's funny how sinn fein are strongest in opposing sending troops to Iraq...yea really loyal to the hand that fed..
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i dont hate the irish, i just hate the IRA
LOL. I may have rambled a bit after a night out.
I never think about the IRA and i dont think anyone harps on it...except for you. Has nothing to do with me anyway because i am not from there and have no family from that part of Europe at all.:shrug:You are talking about stuff from the 70s-80s i was like three years old and so were you.
Either way everyone so far is trying to tell you that your premise is just so stupid. I thought that what you were looking to do is use the old socialist\communist tactic of guilt by living on the same planet.
Anyway, the main thing that is trying to get across to you is that you keep saying "Americans supported the IRA" but first you started of by attempting to say the U.S government supported the IRA. What you cannot seem to grasp is that the Americans you speak of were Irish people living in America who may have sent financial aid over to help their country. Thats all.....jeeez. And that is just being nice, because now i think you are a little slow but maybe not an outright liar.
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Technically not because I cant exactly state what countries they came from except the ones in West Africa.
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LOL. I may have rambled a bit after a night out.
Anyway, the main thing that is trying to get across to you is that you keep saying "Americans supported the IRA" but first you started of by attempting to say the U.S government supported the IRA. .
If you read the other thread properly you will see that I never said the government supported the IRA I said it was aware of the fundraising, visa'a etc...and I was talking about not the terrorist action but the cause and was including funding....You are twisting words and I gave plenty of links to back it up..
If a charity was found out to be giving funds to a terror group now it would be shut down...i'm not really bothered about the IRA now (don't have the time for killers of the innocent)as there hasn't been any major trouble for about 3-4 years now....you drop a doo you gots to pick it up to..
LOL I've been trying to give up smoking and was up till 2.30 then got hardly any sleep because of these patches and the night tremors they are giving me and all I could think about was the IRA,Mr John99, and lots of green things lol...you certainly pushed the right buttons:geek:...anything for a pop at the US (personal amusement only)
I first looked into it just a few weeks after 9/11 on a 'Question Time' on whether we should get as involved as we have and one of the women on the panel a politition,journalist or similar and stated about the 'Funding' and that she was in a bar in boston when a fire cheif approached her with a donation bucket, she was sickened when he claimed it was to help the families of these child killers and how the US government had turned a blind eye to the reality of a terrorist organisation......
Yoy never did tell me what the lie was , or was that a Pinocchio pun
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Then you would have compare country to country as opposed continent to country....If it were africa to europe then you would be taking into account spanish,portugese,italian,greek's,french i'm not to sure if you would be correct.
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