Did Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus teach reincarnation?

Could the first century Messianic Jewish community have taught reincarnation?

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Dennis Tate

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A near death experiencer was shown Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching reincarnation to his inner group of disciples.

When we research the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism this should not really surprise us all that much.

Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D:
"You do not understand this life,” he said on a later occasion, “so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.”

“So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.”

“Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute” You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.”

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.”

“Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.” (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, The Thomas Book, Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus)

http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html


This sure would explain many of the seemingly confusing statements made both by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus as well as by his disciples.

John 9:2
"And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?"
 
I really like the simple way that this near death experiencer explained the reincarnation cycle.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

I saw that I had been both wealthy and poor, man and woman, sick and well, royalty and common personand even victor or villain Yet, I fully understood that each life was vital and going on for a much needed purpose.

Every lifetime, I learned, is orchestrated by our guides and the Elders to flow perfectly with one anotherteaching us something important about life, the Self, the Self of others, our Creator and the potential that exists within the Super Universe that surrounds us all. For the first time I had a comforting sense of trust that no matter what happened to a person in life, only good could ultimately come from it, as down the road God eternally works all things to a good end. " (Christian Andreason, chapter five).
 
What I said ALL of the bible

There really is not any part which is not annoying

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I can empathize with that sentiment........
but NDE accounts dramatically altered my understanding of the entire book.


Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."

It took me a while to clue the full meaning of this.....
but basically... this is it!

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a04h

h. Who goes to heaven?
In the end ... believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher Realms of Heaven. If we do not practice Love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God's super Universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn." (Christian Andreason, near-death .com).

But the key is that time is not limited to being one straight line......
time branches..... and Ezekiel chapter thirty seven is not a one time event.....
but occurs again and again and again as our Creator set in motion Applied Multiverse Theory... in order to lead all of us to salvation.

Revelation chapter twenty, Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven.... have an exponential effect on Ezekiel thirty seven.

Multiple reincarnations is of course a big part of how we are all led back to a heavenly way of thinking as well.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/37/1/s_839001
 
Here is one of the best explanations that I ever read explaining why reincarnation was edited out of the Christian canon.

Bruce F. MacDonald: "Thank you ,Dennis. An awareness of reincarnation is very important. When I was channelling the book, "The Thomas Book: Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus," I was constantly made aware of the importance of reincarnation to Jesus and to the early Christians. There are very important lessons about reincarnation in The Thomas Book, and the way it was written depends on the reality of reincarnation. A modern direct descendent of Jesus' teachings about reincarnation can be found in the Coptic Church in Egypt, which claims it drew its original teachings from St. Mark, who received his teachings from Jesus. They assert that reincarnation was one of the central teachings of Jesus himself, but that it was wiped out of the wider church by some of the later Roman emperors because those rulers did not want to think that they might be born as lesser beings sometime in the future. The emperors, in their pride, did not want to believe Jesus' teaching that "you reap what you sow," and that they might have to face the consequences of their actions in a future life. They wanted to be in the position where they answered to no one for their actions, as when they were emperors, so insisted that the Bishops pass a law that they would go directly to heaven instead of being reincarnated to face the consequences of their often cruel actions.

The first century Jewish historian, Josephus, says that the Pharisees and the Essenes believed in reincarnation. Since Jesus spent much time with the Essenes in his early life, it is natural that he would preach reincarnation. When I was told by Kevin Ryerson, one of the foremost trance channels in the United States, that I was the reincarnation of Judas Thomas, the twin brother of Jesus, it was a great shock in a way, even though I had been told by Jesus, when I was channelling the Thomas gospel in the early 1980s, that I was the reincarnation of Judas Thomas, and that was why I could write the gospel which came from him. To have this confirmed by someone with the stature of Kevin made it seem more striking in the modern world. By the way, for those who wonder about Jesus having a twin brother, there was an early and wide spread belief in this twin brother of Jesus (also wiped out by some of the people in power in the early Roman church) as can be found in "The Acts of Thomas," "The Book of Thomas the Contender," "The Gospel of Thomas" and "The Song of the Pearl" (all available on the internet).

Reincarnation was replaced with a belief in hell, which was a later, non-Christian teaching which found its way into the early Christian church. According to Jesus' teachings about reincarnation, facing the consequences of our actions in future lives is how we are "rewarded or punished" for what we do, and so, as Barbro Karlen says, we make our own heaven or hell.. But none of it is "punishment," even though it might seem like it is. When we face challenges or suffering in our life, it is a way for us to learn the consequences of earlier action -- it is not punishment. And it is the best way to learn. If we have caused suffering for others in the past, we need to learn what that suffering feels like so that we can decide not to do that again. As Edgar Cayce, the famous American "Sleeping Prophet" from the early 20th century says, "We must experience in our own soul what we have brought into the lives of others." That way we learn that bringing love and compassion and joy and peace into the lives of others brings the same to us, and bringing hatred and fear and pain into the lives of others brings the same to us. When Jesus said, "Do unto others what you would want done to you," he is reflecting this idea, because what we do to others is what will be done to us.

Of course suffering is not always punishment. Sometimes we choose to face challenges in our lives in order to strengthen our faith or our compassion or our understanding in some way. And sometimes advanced souls choose to be incarnated as poor people or beggers or others low in the estimation of the world, in order for us to realize that our negative judgement of the "least of these our brothers and sisters," may be all wrong, because, as Jesus puts it, these may actually be Jesus or some other advanced soul incarnate to teach us about the nature of love and compassion. (If people want to read more about this they can go to:
thomastwin
.com/
 
Is "Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus" the Jesus of Christianity/the bible, or somebody else?

If this is the biblical Jesus, why do you refer to him in this convoluted way? Are you trying to distinguish him from somebody else?
 
Dennis Tate:

Have you read our site posting guidelines? If not, I suggest you review the parts relating "preaching" and "proselytising". Your posts are probably already crossing the line of what we are willing to tolerate here, and you are likely to earn yourself official warnings if you continue to promote the writings of particular "near death experiencers" uncritically in many different threads.

This is a discussion forum. While your personal beliefs might come up in the course of a conversation because they are relevant to some point of discussion, your posts should have more content than merely being statements about your personal beliefs or faith. If all you are doing is saying "Hey! Look at this quote. I really like it!" or "I believe that xxxx wrote some really interesting things about yyyy. Here's an extract..." or "I find the writings of xxxx to be really impressive! Here's an example...", then you may be preaching about your beliefs rather than raising any points of discussion.

If you're going to quote somebody as authoritative on something, you should consider explaining why what they have to say is important and why other people ought to accept it as the truth.

sciforums isn't a fan zine. If you just want to promote certain people's writing that you happen to agree with, without explaining why you are persuaded or what should persuade other people, then this might not be the place for you.
 
Is "Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus" the Jesus of Christianity/the bible, or somebody else?

If this is the biblical Jesus, why do you refer to him in this convoluted way? Are you trying to distinguish him from somebody else?

My primary goal is to get across the idea that he was genuinely Jewish because I do believe that the largest Christian churches managed to make him appear very much like a Gentile as they explained his teachings century after century for nearly two millennia.

I am of the opinion that the modern Rabbi Alon Anava may well be more in line in his thinking with John the Baptist and / or Jesus and perhaps even Paul than any Christian theologian as of this time, (at least on many important subjects such as the state of the dead).
 
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Dennis Tate:

Have you read our site posting guidelines? If not, I suggest you review the parts relating "preaching" and "proselytising". Your posts are probably already crossing the line of what we are willing to tolerate here, and you are likely to earn yourself official warnings if you continue to promote the writings of particular "near death experiencers" uncritically in many different threads.

This is a discussion forum. While your personal beliefs might come up in the course of a conversation because they are relevant to some point of discussion, your posts should have more content than merely being statements about your personal beliefs or faith. If all you are doing is saying "Hey! Look at this quote. I really like it!" or "I believe that xxxx wrote some really interesting things about yyyy. Here's an extract..." or "I find the writings of xxxx to be really impressive! Here's an example...", then you may be preaching about your beliefs rather than raising any points of discussion.

If you're going to quote somebody as authoritative on something, you should consider explaining why what they have to say is important and why other people ought to accept it as the truth.

sciforums isn't a fan zine. If you just want to promote certain people's writing that you happen to agree with, without explaining why you are persuaded or what should persuade other people, then this might not be the place for you.


Thank you for this clarification. I just found some new forums to get into that I hadn't noticed at first and it is almost impossible for me to quote an NDE account into the topics that are there on these other categories so I might just be able to avoid getting any more warnings any time soon?!
 
can you posts link showing proof of reincarnation happening ?

But that's not really the question, is it?

The nearest I can suss out of this is something about an apocryphal at best document and a crackpot thesis that is temporally askew at least, and, moreover, might actually be culturally expropriating in a really obscure way.

Meanwhile, the topic post↑ is an interesting specimen. John 9.2↱? That's just the disciples pestering Jesus about Hebrew scripture and tradition, which says God will punish subsequent generations for the sins of the father; see Exodus 20.5↱, 34.7↱; Deutoronomy 5.9↱. If we keep reading after the disciples ask, we might notice Jesus actually ducks the question in John 9.3, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be made manifest in him."

And, then, just for the sake of covering bases, the kabbalist article in #2↑ above draws from Nachman and Luria, who wrote in the thirteenth and sixteenth centuries of the Common Era. The underlying argument is difficult to explain because it's almost not there at all, nearly a feeling or instinct that, this sounds like an attractive idea, and, technically, nothing explicitly says absolutely not. The presentation of Luria actually comes across like a Jew joke, that a Jew needs more than one lifetime to fulfill all the obligations a Jew must attend; which is just hilarious.
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Notes:

Weigle, Luther, et al. The Bible: Revised Standard Version. New York: Thomas Nelson, 1971. University of Michigan. 17 April 2021. http://bit.ly/2rJddky
 
Did Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus teach reincarnation?

what do all the religious organizations say about evolution of man from great apes ?

"show the proof"
where is the proof ?


can you posts link showing proof of reincarnation happening ?

The Book of Jasher that is recognized by more and more religious people implies that cloning technology existed previous to The Flood of the time of Noah.

The Book of Jasher shows humans as the ancestors of apes..... Chimpanzees have one extra chromosome than we humans have.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/4.htm
Book of Jasher chapter 4: "18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals."

and verses thirty three to thirty nine here:
https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/9.htm
35 And the Lord smote the three divisions that were there, and he punished them according to their works and designs; those who said, We will ascend to heaven and serve our gods, became like apes and elephants; and those who said, We will smite the heaven with arrows, the Lord killed them, one man through the hand of his neighbor; and the third division of those who said, We will ascend to heaven and fight against him, the Lord scattered them throughout the earth.
 
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