Did God create the universe?

[davewhite04]

Hi Dave, I think you are better than this.
The choices are not Science or god so they do not have to enemies.
I rejected god fine, that's my choice and you have god in your life BUT you also have science.
You are using it to post.
Statistically you will live to 75 not 45 and you did not die in child birth.
You will never get polio or smallpox and you be unlucky to die from COVID in 2025 at your age.
You access to clean water and you can store food where it remain edible for a few days
Now and again you will watch the TV and your car and cell phone are essentials.
Science science science!

Hi Pinball, I have wrote somewhere that I like science and facts as much as any scientist does.

Not in those exact words mind!

 

[davewhite04]

Ehh that's not quite the same. The holy books in question are highly biased narratives, and aren't reliable as historical documents directly. They're more interesting for how their narratives were constructed, and what that says about the social and political context around them.

The bible for example contains history. It is a spiritual, document not a history text.

The proof for a historical Jesus is based more in outside references like Tacitus and Josephus, and to a lesser extent the epistles of Paul of Tarsus (which, while part of the Biblical canon, correspond with people who purported to have met Jesus). But these references, especially the extrabiblical ones, are incredibly barebones. The most we can say is that there was probably some Jewish guy in early 1st century Judea named Yeshua who taught, had a following, and was executed as a dissident. But connecting the Historical Jesus to the Mythological Jesus is a bit more tenuous than just proving that some kind of Historical Jesus existed.

You don't think Jesus existed but you think Zeus does...

From the New Testament. Arabia had a thriving community of Syriac Christians, mainly in the Ghassanid and Lakhmid kingdoms that dominated the region. So it's pretty straightforward that early Muslims had access to Christian texts, and may have been a breakaway sect of former Christians.

I know.

 

[davewhite04]

Also, why do you think that science has to be in conflict with theism? Is this something somebody taught you to think? That you have to reject science to believe in God?

I have and never will reject science, I like the scientific method. I like facts too. - Me


Above, did all three of you miss me saying the above?