Deteriorating US air travel

billvon

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Here in San Diego there have recently been two very close calls between aircraft landing and aircraft on the surface at Lindbergh Field. Both were likely due to overloaded air traffic controllers; in both cases all the aircraft involved were following the directions of air traffic control. (In one case they should NOT have been listening to the controller because there was an obvious problem.)

Where I fly normally we are seeing similar problems, but with the minimal part-121 air traffic (only 4 airliner takeoff/landings a day) the problems are more minor, and dealt with by aircraft that can stop and turn on a dime (compared to, say, a 737.) Rumor has it that since it is a much smaller airport, but still with scheduled airline flights, it's used for training - and as soon as someone is at all competent they are moved to a busier airport.

And now we have the LaGuardia fatal crash, again the fault of air traffic control.

During the DOGE cuts of last year, almost no air traffic controllers were fired. But aeronautical information specialists, facility maintenance mechanics, air safety assistants and ATC training staff were cut - and that has led to more difficulty in hiring, training and supporting ATC staff. So this is not likely to get better any time soon.

And now that the TSA isn't being paid, there are tremendously long lines at security checkpoints, leading to delayed and cancelled flights when almost no one shows up for the flight on time. Adding ICE agents to the mix will surely gum up the works further as untrained officers, used more as shock troops than security, try to take over those roles. As of today, with ICE 'helping,' wait times are still getting longer and longer. Houston TSA delays are now at 270 minutes as an example. Atlanta hit 180 minutes, then stopped posting their wait times; now their website just says "allow at least 3 hours."

In the short term this will mean a hit for both airlines (who have to issue refunds) and travelers (who can no longer travel.) This will in turn impact the economy as tourists no longer spend money and companies have far more difficulty sending people to meetings, salesmen to contacts and servicepeople to take care of maintenance and repairs.
 
Not to sound hyperbolic, but this is kind of how Rome fell - from within mostly. I don't think well-planned systems decline from one or two catastrophic situations or failures; it seems to stem more from gradual, consistent strain across multiple areas. I can't imagine ICE agents improving anything. It's such a mess.
 
Not to sound hyperbolic, but this is kind of how Rome fell - from within mostly.
Agreed. There's a reason the book series called "The Fall of Rome" was six big volumes; a lot of things went into its fall, and the internal factors were far more significant than external attacks.

Rome lasted over 1000 years. So far we have lasted 250 but we're already seeing signs of strain.
 
I can imagine an increase in Zoom meetings and teleconferences. I've made some pretty long drives the past few years, partly due to air travel becoming awful.
 
I can imagine an increase in Zoom meetings and teleconferences. I've made some pretty long drives the past few years, partly due to air travel becoming awful.
Now that Trump has doubled the cost of jet fuel I can see remote working rising once more in popularity for other reasons.

But I must say that, having spent much of my career in roles requiring a lot of air travel, one of the things I enjoy about retirement is not having to fly anywhere. It is universally a rather ghastly and dehumanising experience. Give me a train or a ship any day. (Though in Britain there seems to be a drive to make rail travel as much like air travel as they can.)
 
If ICE agents act in the airports the way they have on the streets there will be a huge outcry about their behavior.
Especially if they ruff up a Congress person.
 
Since before my time, and especially since Reagan, Republicans have argued that government doesn't work. Government does not, and cannot, and therefore, as they conclude, should not work. It's what they do. It was insufficient, for Republican voters, to simply paralyze government and leave it to decay; they needed a president who was willing to break the law in order to break the government.

Declining air travel? Declining health care access? Declining law enforcement? Declining national security? Declining economic stability?

It's #WhatTheyVotedFor.

They've only been telling us for forty-five years. At least. This is what it looks like when government doesn't work. They must be so proud.
 
A controller at Van Nuys airport (one of the busiest GA airports in the US) was working alone and he hadn't had a break in hours. He finally had to announce that he was shutting down the airspace because he really needed a break. There was a student pilot in the pattern, and when she called in, he agreed to stay until she was back on the ground. Then he hung up his headset and left for 20 minutes.

This sort of thing is happening more and more often, and it's already causing deaths. We need competence back in government.
 
If ICE agents act in the airports the way they have on the streets there will be a huge outcry about their behavior.
Especially if they ruff up a Congress person.
There was some consternation that ICE agents were being paid to stand around and ostensibly do nothing (which, thankfully, means they were not shooting people) while the unpaid TSA employees were working with no paycheck (albeit hopefully now resolved by a Trump EO ensuring they're paid from the vast overinflated ICE budget that passed Congress).

There was also a photo I saw - almost certainly an AI-fake image deliberately for Social Media - of an attractive young white woman walking through the airport with the caption along the lines of "Guess who's not worried about ICE in airports? American citizens!", posted without sarcasm or irony.

Anyhoo - guess I'll be cancelling that trip I never take to the US. ;)
 
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