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Dr. Wulf-Dieter Lugert - pioneer of music education, and the visionary behind the music notation software FORTE & ScanScore
 
Sarkus said:
Diane Keaton - aged 79
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Diane Keaton: Oscar-winning actress dies aged 79 as Goldie Hawn leads tributes

First Wives Club co-star Goldie Hawn says Diane Keaton left "memories beyond imagination" following her death aged 79.
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I hadn't realised she played Kay Adams in the Godfather. I confess to having got rather annoyed by Woody Allen's later obsession with her. Those films seemed to insist, clammily, that we all share the particular neurotic outlook of a certain kind of New York Jew, to wit, Woody Allen. I spent the whole of Annie Hall thinking "Get me out of here, I've got nothing in common with these people.".
 
They buried Ricky Hatton on Friday. Very sad, he was only 46. A local lad (Hyde) but he was born in Stockport.
A nice unassuming lad in the pub, you would never guess he was a world title holder.
A big blue.
 
exchemist said:
I hadn't realised she played Kay Adams in the Godfather. I confess to having got rather annoyed by Woody Allen's later obsession with her. Those films seemed to insist, clammily, that we all share the particular neurotic outlook of a certain kind of New York Jew, to wit, Woody Allen. I spent the whole of Annie Hall thinking "Get me out of here, I've got nothing in common with these people.".
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You and my wife. I tend to prefer the Allen films that get out of that whiny nebbish mode and feature other actors in the main roles, e.g. Midnight in Paris, or Irrational Man. I also recall Crimes & Misdemeanors as pretty good, though it has some WA in front of the lens. But he is upstaged by such major talent as Alan Alda and Martin Landau. I don't know if there is really a NY Jewish outlook, but if there is I would rather it be Groucho Marx or Mel Brooks.

Anyway, digressing aside, farewell to a great lady of both comedy and drama (like her fine performance in "Reds." )
 
exchemist said:
I hadn't realised she played Kay Adams in the Godfather. I confess to having got rather annoyed by Woody Allen's later obsession with her. Those films seemed to insist, clammily, that we all share the particular neurotic outlook of a certain kind of New York Jew, to wit, Woody Allen. I spent the whole of Annie Hall thinking "Get me out of here, I've got nothing in common with these people.".
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Coincidentally, the only Allen film I actually quite like is "Sleeper", which has Diane Keaton as the love interest. It's his only sci-fi movie, which is probably why I even gave it the time of day/night to start with, but I actually enjoyed it. Had forgotten that Keaton was in it.
 
TheVat said:
You and my wife. I tend to prefer the Allen films that get out of that whiny nebbish mode and feature other actors in the main roles, e.g. Midnight in Paris, or Irrational Man. I also recall Crimes & Misdemeanors as pretty good, though it has some WA in front of the lens. But he is upstaged by such major talent as Alan Alda and Martin Landau. I don't know if there is really a NY Jewish outlook, but if there is I would rather it be Groucho Marx or Mel Brooks.

Anyway, digressing aside, farewell to a great lady of both comedy and drama (like her fine performance in "Reds." )
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Yes she obviously was a good actress. I can't say Keaton made an impression on me but that's because I avoided all the Woody Allen films with her in them.

Nebbish is the exact word, though I had to look it up, and all the more apposite that it is Yiddish of course. Groucho Marx indeed is my ideal of the NY Jew: witty, iconoclastic and a bit loopy. But of course I don't really know what I'm talking about, being a Londoner.

I do recall one funny line in Annie Hall, when Allen described a love rival as "That, that....homunculus."
 
TheVat said:
Here's to you, Mrs Robinson. RIP June Lockhart.
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I had to look this up. I do remember “Lost in Space”, if only for how annoying it was. My little brothers used to watch it. As I recall, the villainous, high camp, Zachary Smith was the main character. Portrayed with an English accent, of course, like almost all villains in American film. I can’t remember the other characters.
 
exchemist said:
I had to look this up. I do remember “Lost in Space”, if only for how annoying it was. My little brothers used to watch it. As I recall, the villainous, high camp, Zachary Smith was the main character. Portrayed with an English accent, of course, like almost all villains in American film. I can’t remember the other characters.
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I thought it was Ann Bancroft!
 
exchemist said:
I had to look this up. I do remember “Lost in Space”, if only for how annoying it was. My little brothers used to watch it. As I recall, the villainous, high camp, Zachary Smith was the main character. Portrayed with an English accent, of course, like almost all villains in American film. I can’t remember the other characters.
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Because possibly, except for the robot, they were not too memorable. The sister was played by the child actress who was one of the Von Trapp children in TSOM. (And her RL sister was Veronica Cartwright, a staple of American sci-fi/horror films and television....and also a Von Trapp)

My phrasing did sort of mashup the Mrs. Robinson of the Simon/Garfunkel song with the space faring mother.

Lockhart is etched into the synapses of American baby boomers, having been the loving and competent mother on both LIS and Lassie. Though my parents tended to keep our small BW tv in a closet, brought out only for specific occasions, we saw episodes of sixties dreck at friend's homes. It was the premiere of Star Trek which led to the TV finally emerging and coming to rest on a tabletop.
 
TheVat said:
Because possibly, except for the robot, they were not too memorable. The sister was played by the child actress who was one of the Von Trapp children in TSOM. (And her RL sister was Veronica Cartwright, a staple of American sci-fi/horror films and television....and also a Von Trapp)

My phrasing did sort of mashup the Mrs. Robinson of the Simon/Garfunkel song with the space faring mother.

Lockhart is etched into the synapses of American baby boomers, having been the loving and competent mother on both LIS and Lassie. Though my parents tended to keep our small BW tv in a closet, brought out only for specific occasions, we saw episodes of sixties dreck at friend's homes. It was the premiere of Star Trek which led to the TV finally emerging and coming to rest on a tabletop.
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That’s interesting. I suppose as children in the 1960s we all shared a common TV culture in a way that seems impossible to imagine now. Star Trek made an impression in Britain too - at least for the first few episodes. We had Dr Who of course: there’s a whole generation of girls that hid behind the sofa when the daleks came on. But I struggle to think of any particular actor from childhood who is memorable.
 
exchemist said:
That’s interesting. I suppose as children in the 1960s we all shared a common TV culture in a way that seems impossible to imagine now. Star Trek made an impression in Britain too - at least for the first few episodes. We had Dr Who of course: there’s a whole generation of girls that hid behind the sofa when the daleks came on. But I struggle to think of any particular actor from childhood who is memorable.
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No 1970s kids had that too. Ask any kid born in the mid 1960s about the six week holidays and series.

Six weeks

Banana splits.
The Flashing Blade.
Robinson Crusoe.
Belle and Sebastian.
White Horses.
EDIT: The Tomorrow People 1975. Very sinister.

Series.

Toms midnight garden.
The secret garden.
Trumpton, Camberwick Green and Chigley.
Children of the Stones. Yikes!
Paper House. The series was something else but it was twisted.
Carries war.
The Owl service.
 
Did you Limeys get The Twilight Zone (or its sibling series, The Outer Limits) over there? I remember talented character actors like Martin Landau, Burgess Meredith or Donald Pleasence showing up in those. Also David McCallum. (Pinball will surely be familiar with McCallum in his later career)
 
TheVat said:
Did you Limeys get The Twilight Zone (or its sibling series, The Outer Limits) over there? I remember talented character actors like Martin Landau, Burgess Meredith or Donald Pleasence showing up in those. Also David McCallum. (Pinball will surely be familiar with McCallum in his later career)
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Twilight zone was fantastic, I got the whole lot out and watched it from scratch.
Outer limits was like an 1980s version? I remember the title.
Martin Landau will always be John Koenig for me, space 1999.
David McCallum was in lots I remember.
Lots of actors before they were big names.
 
exchemist said:
I had to look this up. I do remember “Lost in Space”, if only for how annoying it was. My little brothers used to watch it. As I recall, the villainous, high camp, Zachary Smith was the main character. Portrayed with an English accent, of course, like almost all villains in American film. I can’t remember the other characters.
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Nah, it wasn't an English accent. Just an attempt at a psuedo-upper-class accent. No more than halfway towards an English accent at best. :). Was he even trying for English? If so he should sack his voice-coach!! :D
 
TheVat said:
Did you Limeys get The Twilight Zone (or its sibling series, The Outer Limits) over there? I remember talented character actors like Martin Landau, Burgess Meredith or Donald Pleasence showing up in those. Also David McCallum. (Pinball will surely be familiar with McCallum in his later career)
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We did. One of my brothers took great delight in getting me to watch a video an episode "introducing Mr John Valentine, airline passenger", just before I set off for my first overseas assignment to Dubai. I see there is both an original and a remake in which Spielberg had a hand. Not sure which one I saw, but I do remember there is at one point a subliminal shot of the guy's eyeballs blowing up and bursting with horror, as he sees the gremlin on the wing of the plane. That feels like a Spielberg touch to me.
 
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