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no metals are elements, period.

Crystals are ionic molicules formed when a metal shares an electron with a non metal such as cloride. Further more they can be desolved in a solution where the ionic bonds break and they float as electrolites. This alowes an electric current to flow through as it does through sea water.

HOWEVER METALS CANT GROW and its rediculas to think that the total volume of ANY element can be changed by water

OMG! Are you an expert in EVERYTHING? :wallbang:

Most dense metal are that way because of the tightly packed crystals. Its also why metal bends instead of shattering. The crystal slide against eachother.
 
I was wondering if it was a giant geode. Are there other caves like this? Why is it so hot? And are they wearing the masks for breathing purposes or contamination purposes.

Did anyone here watch the special? (I forgot :shy:)

Didn't read the article all the way through, did you? It said that the cave was close to magma pockets.
 
its rediculas to think that the total volume of ANY element can be changed by water

Hmmm...
Are you sure?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I wouldn't jump to calling it ridiculous.
I was reading about some element that can be formed into a lattice structure, and when you add hydrogen to it, it will actually accept more hydrogen into the space, than if the space were empty.
It had something to do with the way the hydrogen bonded to the element, or perhaps the way it was forced to alighn, somehow - I can't recall.
It was an article I was reading about hydrogen containment.
Can someone help me out with this one?

I can't recall exactly why it worked, but it did.
By adding this lattice structure, the containment tank held quite a bit more hydrogen than if the tank was empty.
Really fascinating article.

Anyway, the point is, if it is possible to hold more hydrogen by adding more stuff to a space, I would not jump to the conclusion that the total volume can not be increased by adding water to something.
 
no metals are elements, period.

Crystals are ionic molicules formed when a metal shares an electron with a non metal such as cloride. Further more they can be desolved in a solution where the ionic bonds break and they float as electrolites. This alowes an electric current to flow through as it does through sea water.

HOWEVER METALS CANT GROW and its rediculas to think that the total volume of ANY element can be changed by water

Honestly, just read up on metals before you say anything else.
 
How close? Are crystals still forming? Will the magma break through?

I'm not sure that scientists agree on how magma rises, or even how it is formed, but yes, it can rise and it can break through if it rises. Did you read the part about hydrothermal stuff coming up and making the crystals?
 
I didn't want to read it because I was gonna watch it and then I forgot and I should just shut up and read it now, huh?
:D
 
You say all of that due to ignorance and a lack of education. Denying the existence of fusion is typical of your thinking. It places you firmly in the last century of primitives and savages who had no understanding of the universe and who hadn't even put a man in space.

Liar.

Show me where i've denied the existence of Fusion.

Oh wait, that's right, you can't.

BECAUSE I HAVEN'T.

You're mis representing what i've said.

And the opposite is quite clearly implied by my posts.

What I have, however, stated is that there is insufficient evidence to support the idea of fusion occuring in the earths core.

There's a huge difference between what i've said, and what you're saying i've said.

Meanwhile, you keep chopping and changing between one of two or three models which suit your purpose, one of which requires subduction to be feasable, as it suits you, depending on the problem being addressed.
 

for christ sake, who said metals are crystals????
didnt you learn any chem at all
metals FORM cystals when in ionic bonds, they are called mineral SALTS (just like the sodium cloride sitting in your kitchen)

Right...

So then this isn't a Gold crystal:
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And this isn't a copper crystal:
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You're wrong.
Metals form crystals.
 
But it states in the link

"A small mining operation run by Ed Muceus. This operation is starting to produce some very finely crystallized gold in the form of free-growing gold crystals (arborescent, hopper, tabular) with free-growing quartz rock crystals, including doubly-terminated, in clay-filled cavities. This is perhaps a very unique occurrence since, when the mud is removed, the free-growing gold crystals and free-growing, water-clear quartz crystals present magnificent specimens."

So we aren't growing them, nature is. Why can't humans grow them?:shrug:

You do realize that every time we cast gold, we grow gold crystals?
You do realize that if you carry out a redox reaction that causes Gold to precipitate, you're growing crystals (a powder is just really small crystals).
 
Show me where i've denied the existence of Fusion.
With pleasure.

No it isn't [scientific fact]. It's a controversial idea that lacks in verifiable, repeatable experiments.
It was controversial back in the 20th century when human beings were even more ignorant and primitive than they are today. The physics has been confirmed by verifiable, repeatable experiments. You're simply ignorant of 21st century observation and science. But you're a fundamentalist so it's deliberate: http://www.springerlink.com/content/75p4572645025112/

What I have, however, stated is that there is insufficient evidence to support the idea of fusion occuring in the earths core.
Like I said, you're a fundamentalist: http://www.newscientist.com/article...ure-of-fusion-at-the-centreof-the-earth-.html

Scientific observation is meaningless to you unless it supports your outmoded 20th century religion.

:rolleyes:
 
OIM is claiming that the Earth can produce Gold through Fusion.
Another deliberate lie. The word maybe is not a claim but noone ever expected you to be literate.

Stars only produce elements up to Iron by fusion, because producing anything heavier than Iron by fusion uses energy, it doesn't liberate it.
A star use energy? Heaven forbid.

Hence. The Earth doing something that stars can not do - producing Gold by fusion.
Since when do you have a problem with the Earth doing something that stars can't? According to you the Earth maintains a constant size and mass which is something stars cannot do.
 
OIM makes a good point. If matter is highly compressed enough and hot enough, it isn't going to matter if forming an element uses energy. So the element won't be the majority of the mix. It will still form if all that is required is heat and pressure.
 
one_raven volume might be the wrong word, amount?

Oil mastery is trying to claim that the earth MAKES elements, it doesnt. There IS NO FUSSION IN THE EARTH. Its an iron core and that has been the same since the earth was being formed.

There is only 1 way to MAKE an element, thats by nuclear physics, the alcamists of the middle ages tried EVERYTHING to create gold and they failed, even NETWTON tried and failed.

I think what your talking about one raven is hydrogen bonds, this is how mineral salts (and other things) desolve. The negitive ion (the non metal cl- for example) is atracted to the more positive hydrogen atom and the positive ion (the METAL Na+) is atracted to the oxygen atom because its more positive. This is because the molecule is a POLOR molcule because the oxygen atoms have a much stronger "pull" on the electron they are sharing than the hydrogen atom does.
 
With pleasure.
You're lying. That's not me denying the existence of fusion, but questioning the acceptance of Cold fusion. What you're doing is saying that because I question the existence of Unicorns, I deny the existence of 4 legged animals.

It's dishonest, and a logical fallacy.

It was controversial back in the 20th century when human beings were even more ignorant and primitive than they are today. The physics has been confirmed by verifiable, repeatable experiments. You're simply ignorant of 21st century observation and science. But you're a fundamentalist so it's deliberate: http://www.springerlink.com/content/75p4572645025112/

One paper that suggests an experiemnt that's expected to be repeatedable does not make it controversial. It simply suggests a possible avenue of research that might be more reliable.

No I'm not, as I've already explained, there is at least one other (simnpler) explabation for the presence of this Helium-3, so citing an article (it's not even a paper, but a news report on a paper) that suggests another mechanism by which it might be possible to generate Helium-3 in the earth doesn't make it an absolute undeniable fact.

Besides, again we come back to the point that that very article posits that subduction is responsible for the transport of Deuterium into the earths mantle to make the cold fusion possible in the first place.

No subduction, no cold fusion.

Scientific observation is meaningless to you unless it supports your outmoded 20th century religion.

Now you're just being rude and dishonest, but then, there's no surprise there.
 
One paper that suggests an experiemnt that's expected to be repeatedable does not make it controversial. It simply suggests a possible avenue of research that might be more reliable.
The problem (of many) for you is it's not one paper. You think it's one paper because you're a liar, illiterate, willfully ignorant, and a fundamentalist religious extremist who is afraid of 21st century scientific observation and indeed science itself.
 
Another deliberate lie. The word maybe is not a claim but noone ever expected you to be literate.

Pot - Kettle.

Did you, or did you not make this post:

Wow. That is awesome. Thanks for sharing that. I guess as usual the scientists have it wrong again. Maybe gold is formed in the center of the Earth through fusion.

Does the post or does the post not make a statement.
The post makes an implicit claim - that at the very least you consider it possible (therefore, you're claiming it is possible) that Gold is formed in the center of the earth.

Therefore, it is not me that is a liar here.

But then, no one expected you to be literate.

A star use energy? Heaven forbid.
Fusion of Elements releases energy until you get to Nickle (for the same reason that fission of elements heavier then Iron produces energy).

The Fusion of Iron into heavier elements consumes more energy then it produces (leading to supernova).


Since when do you have a problem with the Earth doing something that stars can't? According to you the Earth maintains a constant size and mass which is something stars cannot do.
Congratulations on twisting my words out of context once again, you lying hack.

Well done.
 
You don't know what maybe means either? No surprise.

You're right Trippy. All the scientists who disagree with your religious fundamentalism are lying to you.
 
The problem (of many) for you is it's not one paper. You think it's one paper because you're a liar, illiterate, willfully ignorant, and a fundamentalist religious extremist who is afraid of 21st century scientific observation and indeed science itself.

When you have a mature argument to present that is more substantial then a thinly veiled personal attack, I'll be around.
 
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