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Here's a new one on me...
Just been browsing the felon Donald Trump's Truth Social account, and he posted this (I won't link, but this is a copy...)

"VOTE FOR TRUMP! Bitcoin mining may be our last line of defense against a CBDC. Biden’s hatred of Bitcoin only helps China, Russia, and the Radical Communist Left. We want all the remaining Bitcoin to be MADE IN THE USA!!! It will help us be ENERGY DOMINANT!!!" - felon Donald Trump - Truth Social

CBDC - Central Bank Digital Currency

Now, it seems Biden is generally against Bitcoin (although his administration's stance has seemingly softened recently), so typically Trump jumps on the chance to take the opposite position so as to appeal to Bitcoin owners/users etc. That's not so much the issue. It's the part I've bolded above that has me scratching my head... how exactly would all the mining being done in the US help the US to be "ENERGY DOMINANT"???
Is there anyone out there who can help me understand? What am I missing? Or is it simply that the felon has zero comprehension of what Bitcoin is, what a CBDC is, what mining is, and how it might impact US energy?
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As far as I know, it's the latter. He doesn't have a clue. I don't know if you saw the video clip from his rally the other day when the teleprompter quit working.

It was "weird". He was talking about an electric boat, sinking and being electrocuted and about sharks being in the water.

A commentator pointed out that he can focus for hours when he is talking about himself but when anything else comes up he has the attention span of a fruit fly.
 
Here's a new one on me...
Just been browsing the felon Donald Trump's Truth Social account, and he posted this (I won't link, but this is a copy...)

"VOTE FOR TRUMP! Bitcoin mining may be our last line of defense against a CBDC. Biden’s hatred of Bitcoin only helps China, Russia, and the Radical Communist Left. We want all the remaining Bitcoin to be MADE IN THE USA!!! It will help us be ENERGY DOMINANT!!!" - felon Donald Trump - Truth Social

CBDC - Central Bank Digital Currency

Now, it seems Biden is generally against Bitcoin (although his administration's stance has seemingly softened recently), so typically Trump jumps on the chance to take the opposite position so as to appeal to Bitcoin owners/users etc. That's not so much the issue. It's the part I've bolded above that has me scratching my head... how exactly would all the mining being done in the US help the US to be "ENERGY DOMINANT"???
Is there anyone out there who can help me understand? What am I missing? Or is it simply that the felon has zero comprehension of what Bitcoin is, what a CBDC is, what mining is, and how it might impact US energy?
:)
He’s a loony. I was reading yesterday about his random meanderings about electric boats and sharks, in a recent rally. Seems he has a thing about sharks. Stormy Daniels found him preoccupied with a shark movie on one of their assignations. Probably watched the “Sharknado” movies and took them seriously.
 
As far as I know, it's the latter. He doesn't have a clue. I don't know if you saw the video clip from his rally the other day when the teleprompter quit working.

It was "weird". He was talking about an electric boat, sinking and being electrocuted and about sharks being in the water.

A commentator pointed out that he can focus for hours when he is talking about himself but when anything else comes up he has the attention span of a fruit fly.
SNAP! :biggrin:
 
"This makes bitcoin the world’s seventh-largest asset behind gold and five U.S. tech giants, including Nvidia, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon and Google."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/p...uces-bill-implement-strategic-bitcoin-reserve

Things are getting interesting...
Not really.
He's set himself (or members of his family) to benefit from crypto, so, being the corrupt and unethical person he is, people are betting on him doing well for crypto. Par for the course in US politics these days, at least as far as the unethical, orange felon is concerned.
 
Not really.
He's set himself (or members of his family) to benefit from crypto, so, being the corrupt and unethical person he is, people are betting on him doing well for crypto. Par for the course in US politics these days, at least as far as the unethical, orange felon is concerned.
"Not really" what? Not interesting? The bill introducing the reserve isn't coming from Trump and the concept is being brought up in Pennsylvania for a state reserve and other countries.

I find it interesting. I don't think Trump has any real knowledge of "crypto" and I'm not more interested in his Trump crypto coin than I am in his t-shirts and coffee mugs. That's not the point however.

That seems to be the commonality on here lately, posts that have nothing to do with the point being brought up but that just serve to push whatever narrative the poster wants to push.
 
Firstly, I was responding to what you quoted from the article, which is in reference to the fact that BTC surged 20% to it's current value. That in itself is not interesting, for reason given.

As for the wider article, the Bill is not coming from Trump directly, but is still not all that interesting. It's about allowing up to 10% of their reserve to be held as BTC. So what. Musk had Tesla buy double that. Maybe if other states follow suit it will get interesting.

Further, I never mentioned anything about Trump's own crypto coin. But the crypto market has made it clear that they think he will be good for crypto, and I have no doubt Trump will look to personally gain from it.

And if you have issue with people not responding to the point you think you're making, maybe look at the point you have actually made, and the way you have made it. Quoting from an article about how big BTC now is is not the best way to raise an issue about BTC being included in a strategic reserve. Normally the quote from the article you choose to go with should reference the issue you want people to look at.
Just saying.
 
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Perhaps someone will find Bitcoin interesting in here one day. Now, anything I post just seems to be a chance to make a negative comment. I'm pretty sure that someone in here has an interest in some subject but so far that hasn't proven to be the case unless one has a "theory of dark".

Stocks, Bitcoin, investing, economics, debt...anyone find those subjects interesting? Is Trump the only subject?

Or is it more interesting to be on topic, literal or to just complain in general? Does everyone disagree with everything, in general, in here?

By the way Tesla holds about 11,000 Bitcoins. The US Reserve proposal is for 1 million Bitcoin over 5 years.
 
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Bitcoin is a Big CON,,it has no real value like all fiat currency do,which are backed by GDP of each country.
It was invented to bypass $,,for obvious reasons I Let you figure out which
Btw
Tramp was elected bc majority got fed up w Demoncrats wars,lies,censorship and pushing kveer agenda pedos pervs.
 
Tramp was elected bc majority got fed up w Demoncrats wars,lies,censorship and pushing kveer agenda pedos pervs.
What did the Democrats censor (that was not equally censored by the Republicans)?

What's "kveer"?

Which Democrat "pushed" pedophilia or "perving"?

Please explain.
 
What did the Democrats censor (that was not equally censored by the Republicans)?

What's "kveer"?

Which Democrat "pushed" pedophilia or "perving"?

Please explain.
But this is our resident St. Petersburg troll, surely? Is there any point engaging with this crap?
 
Kentucky Fried Crypto

The story so far: A self-proclaimed crypto-king of Kentucky↱ is under arrest in Manhattan for the abduction and torture of an Italian businessman in order to acquire a Bitcoin password. Per Associated Press↱:

… the district attorney's office said in an email that prosecutor Michael Mattson told a judge Saturday that the victim, whose name has not been released, was abducted on May 6. Mattson said others were involved in the scheme to empty the victim's Bitcoin wallet. That includes a person referred to in court records as an "unapprehended male."

The victim said he was bound by the wrists and tortured for weeks inside the apartment. His captors, according to prosecutors, drugged him, used electric wires to shock him, hit him in the head with a firearm and, at one point, carried him to the top of a flight of stairs where they dangled him over a ledge and threatened to kill him if he didn't share his Bitcoin password ....

.... A search of the town house turned up a trove of evidence, Mattson said, including cocaine, a saw, chicken wire, body armor and night vision goggles, ammunition and polaroid photos of the victim with a gun pointed to his head.

And the update, via WABC↱:

A second crypto suspect wanted for torturing an Italian man in Soho is expected to surrender to detectives this week.

The second man, described as a Swiss cryptocurrency investor, will join 37-year-old John Woeltz when he turns himself in with his lawyers ....

.... He has been charged with assault, kidnapping, unlawful imprisonment, and criminal possession of a firearm ....

.... Police arrested and charged two people, including Woeltz, in connection with the SoHo apartment incident on Friday. Officials say Woeltz lived at the address on Prince Street.

Another suspect, a female, was also arrested but was not charged.

The detail is impressive:

Police descended on the opulent brownstone on Prince Street as detectives tried to make sense of the depraved story they heard from the victim, who said he'd been held captive for weeks.

The 28-year-old victim told police he arrived from Italy on May 6 and went to the home on Prince Street.

He told detectives they had taken his passport and tortured him for the last two weeks.

Police said the group was looking to extort him for millions in crypto after luring him back from Italy.

Investigators said they tied him up with electrical cords and tortured him with electrocutions and other types of shock treatment.

They also allegedly tased him with his feet in water, pistol-whipped him, and threatened to cut his limbs off with an electric chainsaw.

Police said they took Polaroids of themselves torturing him, one showing him bound to a chair with a gun to his head. The Polaroids were likely to extort money, either from the victim or his family back in Italy.

They also allegedly forced him to take drugs, like cocaine, and used other psychological torture, telling him he would never escape. They also allegedly put an AirTag around his neck to know where he was in the building, where he had limited mobility.

Police said the victim saw his opportunity to make an escape Friday morning because the men allegedly indicated it would be his death day ....

.... Police said the inside of the house was trashed with broken glass, helmets, night vision goggles, and a bulletproof vest in plain sight. Investigators found a saw, crack cocaine, blood, bullets, and a gun, along with Polaroids of the victim with a gun to his head.

Police then found a gun and requested a search warrant for a more detailed search.

The victim sustained numerous cuts on his body from the torture, including one believed to be from the chainsaw, and is being treated at Bellevue Hospital, police said.

A couple things go here: In questions of high finance, episodes like these are going to occur. And a coke-fueled crypto gang is the sort of thing that will only become significant in larger narratives if that's what happens to be true. That is to say, this is most likely, and until otherwise indicated, a one-off.

Still, if this was, say, Bitcoin: The Series, if it's not an organized-crime drama or political-cabal thriller, then maybe a coke opera, or, better yet, a sitcom with some young salaries living above their means sitting around a coffee shop talking urban legends over a slap-pop fusion soundtrack.
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Notes:

@BlueATLGeorgia. "Here's a completely bonkers story. John Woeltz, known as the Crypto King of Kentucky, was arrested in SoHo for holding an Italian tourist hostage, torturing him, and threatening to kill his family, in an attempt to get his Bitcoin password." X. 25 May 2025. X.com. 26 May 2025. status/1926842123736805531

Eyewitness News. "2nd crypto suspect wanted in torture of Italian man expected to surrender to police". WABC. 26 May 2025. ABC7NY.com. 26 May 2025. https://abc7ny.com/post/2nd-crypto-...s-partner-expected-surrender-police/16553486/

Sisak, Michael R. and Rio Yamat. "A crypto investor is charged with kidnapping and torturing a man in an NYC apartment for weeks". Associated Press. 24 May 2025. APNews.com. 26 May 2025. https://apnews.com/article/new-york-city-kidnapping-cryptocurrency-16ccb88647944281ab6af10503d17eb5
 
The good thing about this current administration in the USofA is that there is someone in the White House who has been bought and paid for by Crypto. Trump has such a large amount of his wealth tied up in the stuff, whether a meme-coin for himself and Melania, or his "exchange" that benefits from people buying/selling the stuff, that it is no wonder that the Cryptocurrency market is doing quite well at the moment.
He has recently signed the GENIUS Act into Law... God knows what it aims to do but, you know... cryptocurrency!!! So the markets have rallied, XRP/Ripple is booming, Bitcoin is higher than ever, and even Ethereum is starting to pick up again after lagging behind the curve somewhat.
Will it continue to rise? Well, it tends to follow the broader markets (Dow, Nasdaq etc), and under Trump they will likely do quite well, even if it does trash the wider US economy in the medium to long term.
So, yeah. It's still here. Cryptocurrency. Buy it or don't. Keep it or don't. It's not going away anytime soon, that's for sure.
 
The good thing about this current administration in the USofA is that there is someone in the White House who has been bought and paid for by Crypto. Trump has such a large amount of his wealth tied up in the stuff, whether a meme-coin for himself and Melania, or his "exchange" that benefits from people buying/selling the stuff, that it is no wonder that the Cryptocurrency market is doing quite well at the moment.
He has recently signed the GENIUS Act into Law... God knows what it aims to do but, you know... cryptocurrency!!! So the markets have rallied, XRP/Ripple is booming, Bitcoin is higher than ever, and even Ethereum is starting to pick up again after lagging behind the curve somewhat.
Will it continue to rise? Well, it tends to follow the broader markets (Dow, Nasdaq etc), and under Trump they will likely do quite well, even if it does trash the wider US economy in the medium to long term.
So, yeah. It's still here. Cryptocurrency. Buy it or don't. Keep it or don't. It's not going away anytime soon, that's for sure.
As with most anything else, the government is largely just a sideshow regarding crypto. The banks "bought" Biden and crypto has "bought" Trump. That has little to do with the value proposition of either. Everyone wins on the influence balance at one point or the other and loses at some other point on down the line.

Bitcoin is going to do what it is going to go regardless of Trump. Once he came out with his Donald and Melania coin I knew that it would be better for him to just get Gary Gensler out of the SEC (the courts effectively neutered him regarding Bitcoin before that) and then shut up. Of course that never happens with Trump.

Crypto in one form or another is here to stay, Bitcoin especially (largely due to the dollar debasing). Any other crypto that survives long-term will have some value attached. The Ethereum blockchain seems likely to serve a purpose.

Bitcoin is just the new gold effectively.

Trump on the other hand is irrelevant with his crypto, tariffs, and all the rest of his carnage.
 
You thought the market crash of 1929 was bad, wait until you get the crypto crash.
Bitcoin is strengthened by the debasement of the dollar so trends look good there. For the rest, it's just a matter of technology and use cases. The majority will fail anyway. As with the dot com crash, those that have a use case will survive.

The crash of 1929 has little relevance to today.
 
Bitcoin is strengthened by the debasement of the dollar so trends look good there. For the rest, it's just a matter of technology and use cases. The majority will fail anyway. As with the dot com crash, those that have a use case will survive.

The crash of 1929 has little relevance to today.
What made you change your mind and get out of bitcoin?

 
What made you change your mind and get out of bitcoin?

The performance changed. I made an 85% return over 4 years so it wasn't bad but the risk was too high for the reward, as it played out, IMO.

It already wasn't a "currency", it was seen as "Gold 2.0", so something that over the long-term preserves purchasing power. That's what it would turn out to be by the time the market matured. Before that, it was an outsized investment.

For some, it was also supposed to be a counter-cyclical investment. It turned out, for the moment to just be another "high tech stock". I already own QQQ (NASDAQ 100) and even that outperformed BTC over these last 4 years.

My plan from the beginning was to sell a little in each tax year once it at least doubled and I was looking for more than that.

At the end of 2025 I sold a little, as planned. I initially sold a little early this year. Both of those were for tax planning reasons.

It got to $125k in Oct 2025 but it only stayed there for about 2 days and then declined. It never reached the typical "blow-off" top but was heading for a blow-off bottom. Gold did well but BTC went down.

I saw, IMO, that we are close to reaching maturity about 10 years earlier than most thought. I knew that in 5 years it would start to be repriced anyway as the market started to discount a slowdown in 10 years so at 5 years (from now) I planned to be out.

I also planned to sell a percent each tax year where it made sense to do that. I could have made enough that I would potentially just held on to the last bit and consider it to be like gold (a hedge).

The ETFs that were approved apparently just sped the process up enough so that now, IMO, we are close to maturity. Part of the early appeal was making outsized gains while there is still room for a lot of growth. However, I think we are already there so I just sold all of it so that I didn't start to see my gains eroded only to not grow fast from here on out.

It's not going to go away. It's just not an outsized asymmetric investment anymore. It's not worth (to me) the volatility for this particular future scenario.

I don't try to time markets in general and most of the proceeds just went into stocks that I already have.

Now I follow it for entertainment value and I especially follow MSTR (MicroStrategy) for entertainment value as I think it is pretty close to a "legal" scam at this point.

It's a complicated stock that I think many don't understand but it's going to be a news story eventually for all the wrong reasons. Their business at this point is just buying Bitcoin on leverage.

My initial interest in Bitcoin just started as a counter to the debasement of the dollar. My stocks do that too so Bitcoin is just no longer worth the volatility, to me.
 
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The performance changed. I made an 85% return over 4 years so it wasn't bad but the risk was too high for the reward, as it played out, IMO.

It already wasn't a "currency", it was seen as "Gold 2.0", so something that over the long-term preserves purchasing power. That's what it would turn out to be by the time the market matured. Before that, it was an outsized investment.

For some, it was also supposed to be a counter-cyclical investment. It turned out, for the moment to just be another "high tech stock". I already own QQQ (NASDAQ 100) and even that outperformed BTC over these last 4 years.

My plan from the beginning was to sell a little in each tax year once it at least doubled and I was looking for more than that.

At the end of 2025 I sold a little, as planned. I initially sold a little early this year. Both of those were for tax planning reasons.

It got to $125k in Oct 2025 but it only stayed there for about 2 days and then declined. It never reached the typical "blow-off" top but was heading for a blow-off bottom. Gold did well but BTC went down.

I saw, IMO, that we are close to reaching maturity about 10 years earlier than most thought. I knew that in 5 years it would start to be repriced anyway as the market started to discount a slowdown in 10 years so at 5 years (from now) I planned to be out.

I also planned to sell a percent each tax year where it made sense to do that. I could have made enough that I would potentially just held on to the last bit and consider it to be like gold (a hedge).

The ETFs that were approved apparently just sped the process up enough so that now, IMO, we are close to maturity. Part of the early appeal was making outsized gains while there is still room for a lot of growth. However, I think we are already there so I just sold all of it so that I didn't start to see my gains eroded only to not grow fast from here on out.

It's not going to go away. It's just not an outsized asymmetric investment anymore. It's not worth (to me) the volatility for this particular future scenario.

I don't try to time markets in general and most of the proceeds just went into stocks that I already have.

Now I follow it for entertainment value and I especially follow MSTR (MicroStrategy) for entertainment value as I think it is pretty close to a "legal" scam at this point.

It's a complicated stock that I think many don't understand but it's going to be a news story eventually for all the wrong reasons. Their business at this point is just buying Bitcoin on leverage.

My initial interest in Bitcoin just started as a counter to the debasement of the dollar. My stocks do that too so Bitcoin is just no longer worth the volatility, to me.
So you didn't lose money then. That's good.

But indeed, as we both seemed to agree a couple of years back on this thread, bitcoin isn't a currency. It's closer to being a speculative commodity. You say it's like gold but I'm not sure that's a good analogy, as it is the opposite in terms of stability and predictability. With most commodities, say gold, oil, coffee, one can predict roughly how they are likely to move based on external information. One does not seem to be able to do that with bitcoin.

Its reputation also seems to be increasingly tarnished (haha) through its use by the criminal underworld, rogue regimes (e.g. Iran) and shady politicians and others who need to disguise the nature or origin of their finances.

I'm sure you are well out of it, anyway.
 
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