duendy said:
Of course it's a scam! They are selling hope, and that is the remit of con artists, such as priests and vicars.
Cryonics
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Of course it's a scam! They are selling hope, and that is the remit of con artists, such as priests and vicars.
You two are entitled to die, if you so choose. Let's see, does penicillin offer hope? Does a heart transplant offer hope? Does genetic cloning offer hope? On and on and on. Scams? I think not.
cyonics is one of the few promises that can actualy deliver.
and in 50 years thing wont be THAT diffrent,look at the 50's to now,things are pretty much the same except a few more advancements in technology.
and yeah,100 years ago organ transplants were just a fanciful pipe dream of science fiction,now we can grow new organs in a jar and implant them[see the bladder thread for details,ive been watching this tech for years as i need a new stomach].
the jetsons had a pill you could swallow and it would look aroubd to see what was wrong,now we have pillcams with robot arms.
these same people who constantly doubt science are generaly the ones who say''just have faith in a higher power'',no self respecting atheist would ever put faith in an invisble man in the sky and shun the hopes of science.
science is the one true god and everyone will eventualy bow down to it[especialy after they cure the disease of religon].
and in 50 years thing wont be THAT diffrent,look at the 50's to now,things are pretty much the same except a few more advancements in technology.
and yeah,100 years ago organ transplants were just a fanciful pipe dream of science fiction,now we can grow new organs in a jar and implant them[see the bladder thread for details,ive been watching this tech for years as i need a new stomach].
the jetsons had a pill you could swallow and it would look aroubd to see what was wrong,now we have pillcams with robot arms.
these same people who constantly doubt science are generaly the ones who say''just have faith in a higher power'',no self respecting atheist would ever put faith in an invisble man in the sky and shun the hopes of science.
science is the one true god and everyone will eventualy bow down to it[especialy after they cure the disease of religon].
heres another ''scam'' of science fact
http://www.videovat.com/videos/1506/jesse-sullivan-bionic-arm.aspx
http://www.videovat.com/videos/1506/jesse-sullivan-bionic-arm.aspx
That's cool, mars13. A real bionic man. Just imagine where we will be in a few decades.
I'm amazed that more people aren't interested in this, or have no comment. What do the rest of you wankers think about cryonics?
Cottontop3000 said:
I think freezer burns on your ass will be a major problem that first has to be resolved.
Athelwulf said:
I wish some of the real scientists here would give a little input. Maybe I shouldn't have put this in the free thoughts section. Even though the subject may have been exhausted, I still can't help thinking that this is more important than most things.
We won't need our asses in the future. Hadn't you heard?spuriousmonkey said:
Reminds me of this insect I saw on a documentary called The Wonderful World of Dung long ago. I don't know the name, but it spends months and months in its larval state eating and eating and eating but never shitting.....
Then it pupates and emerges in its adult form...
And the first thing it does is shit.
This enormous white turd that is larger than it is when it's done.
Imagine that....
Wonder what it would feel like taking a crap for the first time? Think it is surprised?
Anyway.
I think it would be funny if you wake up in the glorious future only to find that all the freezer people are seen as just another resource in a resource poor environment.
And a yummy resource too. So well-fed we were back in the golden age....
They like live food, by the way, they think of it as a novely as their usual fare is their own recycled shit.....
Enjoy.
You're being a little too pessimistic, invert, just like I've been.
Pessimistic? What?! What the hell is pessimistic about the idea of being unfrozen by futuristic cannibals?
Now. If they were sodomizing cannibals, that would be another story.....
Anyway.
Ok. The fact of the matter is that I would very much like to see what the future brings.
And I would don't much care for the idea of dying seeing as how I have no belief in an afterlife.
But, I will not pay the money that they're asking for a one in a million chance of being ressurected sometime in the future.
They do NOT have the technology to freeze people safely today. Instead, they're banking on the hope that the future will bring some type of technology or medical wonder that will be able to reverse the damage done to your body by the freezing process.
And for that they charge you how much?
You mention the cost of funerals earlier. They can be quite pricey. But, you can get by with a minimal payment. Several thousand minimum, I should think unless you're a derelict and the city burns your body for a mere 100 bucks or so.
The cost of being frozen is not comparable to funeral costs. Except, of course, in the case of the well-to-do who spend more money than they should on their dead bodies.
And. By the way.
I wasn't making a jibe at you earlier.
I thought it was funny that you thought I might have been though.
"Primitive screwhead."
Muaha!
As far as real scientists go, I suspect that most people are aware that the technology is not there yet. THey're not selling you a viable product. They're selling you hope.
Just like the religionists.
Hope for an eternal life.
And cryonics only costs money. You don't have to do anything drastic like accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. Or strap explosives on your chest and blow up a restaurant full of jews.
Now. If they were sodomizing cannibals, that would be another story.....
Anyway.
Ok. The fact of the matter is that I would very much like to see what the future brings.
And I would don't much care for the idea of dying seeing as how I have no belief in an afterlife.
But, I will not pay the money that they're asking for a one in a million chance of being ressurected sometime in the future.
They do NOT have the technology to freeze people safely today. Instead, they're banking on the hope that the future will bring some type of technology or medical wonder that will be able to reverse the damage done to your body by the freezing process.
And for that they charge you how much?
You mention the cost of funerals earlier. They can be quite pricey. But, you can get by with a minimal payment. Several thousand minimum, I should think unless you're a derelict and the city burns your body for a mere 100 bucks or so.
The cost of being frozen is not comparable to funeral costs. Except, of course, in the case of the well-to-do who spend more money than they should on their dead bodies.
And. By the way.
I wasn't making a jibe at you earlier.
I thought it was funny that you thought I might have been though.
"Primitive screwhead."
Muaha!
As far as real scientists go, I suspect that most people are aware that the technology is not there yet. THey're not selling you a viable product. They're selling you hope.
Just like the religionists.
Hope for an eternal life.
And cryonics only costs money. You don't have to do anything drastic like accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. Or strap explosives on your chest and blow up a restaurant full of jews.
We agree here on both counts.invert_nexus said:
This is a value call. Would you rather most of your estate go to the government (even with the new legislation doing away with the estate tax, I'm sure it will be reinstated when the democrats regain power)? Or would you rather spend it on research into ending death for all future generations? That's your call.
You don't know that the current technology is not safe, as it depends entirely on future technology. If you say that the current technology is not safe, you are taking a defeatist attitude and might be ruining your chance at immortality. I know what that sounds like, but I don't care. Small as it is, there is a chance at immortality. Which is more than can be said for previous generations.
Anywhere from $28,000 to $150,000. Is that really too much for a chance at seeing the future?
I think it is priced about right. Think about what you may be buying.
Damn.
Which is more than I ever had with anything that is currently on the market.
The beauty and simplicity of science.
Well, I'd like to die, wake up once every hundred years for week long intervals until humanity is destroyed, and then go to heaven.
I would hate to have to wake up in the future and have to adapt to an alien environment. Plus, we need to stay out of their way. Like Duendy said, death is part of the cycle. If people don't die, then there is no hope, because all the incoming people are crowded out. No new people unless you kill off old people to make room. Do you know how bad that would be. If you believe in evolution, then think of this way. There is a good reason things die, because, if she wanted to, mother nature could have made us immortal. By mother nature I mean evolution. It is selfish to hog the next generation, and it is stagnant. So yeah, sucks to cyrogenics
I would hate to have to wake up in the future and have to adapt to an alien environment. Plus, we need to stay out of their way. Like Duendy said, death is part of the cycle. If people don't die, then there is no hope, because all the incoming people are crowded out. No new people unless you kill off old people to make room. Do you know how bad that would be. If you believe in evolution, then think of this way. There is a good reason things die, because, if she wanted to, mother nature could have made us immortal. By mother nature I mean evolution. It is selfish to hog the next generation, and it is stagnant. So yeah, sucks to cyrogenics
No, do you? Do you think that humanity is stuck on this rock we call earth for eternity? Don't you think it's possible that we will someday learn how to put people in a spaceship and colonize other earths? Hell, if cryonics works, the problem of long-duration interstellar travel is solved already. Can you follow that?Tyler N. said:
What did mother nature say to you personally on this subject? What were her reasons for her not wanting us to be immortal? I haven't talked to her in a while, so I could use a refresher course. Please, enlighten me.
Sucks to morons.
Well, say I die. If I wake up in the future and we have colonized other planets, there is still a problem. There is this problem that we can only expand at a certain rate, and ultimatly we will have to curb our births because that is exponential and will ultimatly catch up to out rate of expansion. We might solve that problem by enforcing birth control, but our record on earth has made me pessimistic about that. So, with the star travel, its a mabye/mabye not thing. And what if there are alien races, so we can't expand farther without starting an intersteller war? see last post.
And for your question, I'll let you think about it. Why is there death? Go talk to mother nature for me andreport back. SHe is really an intresting gall.
And yeah, sucks to morons. not much we can do about that though
And for your question, I'll let you think about it. Why is there death? Go talk to mother nature for me andreport back. SHe is really an intresting gall.
And yeah, sucks to morons. not much we can do about that though
actualy the technology to freeze your brain is incredibly advanced,theres almost no celluar damage anymore,your brain is flushed with a solution that doesnt form ice crystals and doesnt destroy the cells.
you can freeze and unfreeze cells now with no decay like the old methods.
and IF you get to live forever then its money well spent,id rather spend the money now then die and never spend it.
i cant think of a better use for money,can you?especialy if its life insurace money youll never see a penny of cause your legaly dead.
you can freeze and unfreeze cells now with no decay like the old methods.
and IF you get to live forever then its money well spent,id rather spend the money now then die and never spend it.
i cant think of a better use for money,can you?especialy if its life insurace money youll never see a penny of cause your legaly dead.