Creationist defends bible and attacks straw man version of evolution

[SetiAlpha6]

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While scientist in general are not perfect, and there has never been any argument with regards to that fact, it is also pbvious that your inferences in the form of questions are faulty and driven by your IDer myth.

Any new ideas etc by necessity, need to "run the gauntlet" so to speak...that is part and parcel of the scientific methodology, a system as close to perfect and idealism as we can get.

You are very welcome to have faith in the existence of your ancient Rock, Water, and Lightning relatives.

Are any of these your relatives?







They certainly are cute!

And that last one is obviously a very smart one!

I really love this next one too...



You can still even get instructions for how to take care of them on eBay.



Isn’t the theory that we descended from Rocks the “overwhelming majority” of Scientific opinion right now?

 

[(Q)]

You are very welcome to have faith in the existence of your ancient Rock, Water, and Lightning relatives.

Are any of these your relatives?

Isn’t the theory that we descended from Rocks the “overwhelming majority” of Scientific opinion right now?

You really have to wonder why some folks are hell bent on making posts that shout, "Look at me, look at me! I haven't a brain in my head!"

 

[paddoboy]

You really have to wonder why some folks are hell bent on making posts that shout, "Look at me, look at me! I haven't a brain in my head!"

Yeah absolutely. I mean I was really gobsmacked after reading that silly childish nonsense. I did actually believe he had more sense. I was wrong.

 

[billvon]

You are very welcome to have faith in the existence of your ancient Rock, Water, and Lightning relatives.

As others have mentioned, you are a great example of a clueless creationist. One merely needs to point to you and say "See? They have nothing."

 

[exchemist]

You are very welcome to have faith in the existence of your ancient Rock, Water, and Lightning relatives.

Are any of these your relatives?

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They certainly are cute!

And that last one is obviously a very smart one!

I really love this next one too...

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You can still even get instructions for how to take care of them on eBay.

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Isn’t the theory that we descended from Rocks the “overwhelming majority” of Scientific opinion right now?

What a half-witted post.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

You really have to wonder why some folks are hell bent on making posts that shout, "Look at me, look at me! I haven't a brain in my head!"

Ok!

They didn’t have goggly eyes.

That was a slight stretch.

 

[DaveC426913]

So I guess we should have the thread title changed again, to reflect the intended topic - which seems to have more to do with ...

...sorry I'm not sure. SA6 thinks scientists ... worship ... rocks?

I'm going to assume there's some backstory to this thread.

Nonono - I don't want any helpful links to the backstory. It clearly went off the rails already, spawning this hallucinatory thread.

Anyway - Unwatch.

 

[billvon]

I don’t see them as being very different.

This is the argument from ignorance - "I don't understand the difference, so there is no difference." Popular with anti-science people the world over.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

This is the argument from ignorance - "I don't understand the difference, so there is no difference." Popular with anti-science people the world over.

How would you state your belief, starting from a rock and ending in life in just a few sentences? Or how about in one sentence?

 

[(Q)]

I could have maybe thrown one of the rocks in a puddle of water and struck it with lightning every couple million years, or so until one day, with the passing of eons of time, physical breakdown, and erosion, we have basically an impossible series of chemical reactions, and poof we have life.

But you guys already know the longer version which says the same thing, and you believe in that version.

I don’t see them as being very different.

It's very sad that you actually believe what you said has anything to do with the science.

poof we have life.

The's the Creationist version, when the invisible sky daddy waves his magic hand.

 

[billvon]

How would you state your belief, starting from a rock and ending in life in just a few sentences? Or how about in one sentence?

Simple. We did not evolve from rocks, any more that we evolved from monkeys or were created from dirt.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

It's very sad that you actually believe what you said has anything to do with the science.

The's the Creationist version, when the invisible sky daddy waves his magic hand.

Right,

Science removes the “Invisible Sky Daddy”, and believes that Rocks, Water, and Lightning pulled life off all by themselves through a mathematically impossible (miraculous) series of millions of perfectly executed and perfectly timed chemical reactions over millions of years without the process ever seriously breaking down in any substantial way and without it coming to an end up to and including today.

I think we are basically saying the same things.

My rocks just had eyes on them to make them appear to be more intelligent and capable of doing what you are saying they are capable of. Just for fun.

The kids would love it in biology class!!!

I thought it was fun anyway, and it is also accurate at the same time.

I prefer the Sky Daddy version.

You prefer the version without the Sky Daddy.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Simple. We did not evolve from rocks, any more that we evolved from monkeys or were created from dirt.

Where did the chemicals in the pre-biotic soup come from? I was thinking from the run off and erosion of Rocks. So I just used Rocks as a starting point.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

peer review = peer pressure
yes
sometimes for the good
sometimes not
One could easily find a long list of scientists who were not accepted in their lifetimes, and many who were also ridiculed by their supposed peers.
One could easily find many instances of "scientific" dogma that, though wrong, persisted in their various disciplines for generations.

and, then
Many worthless hypotheses have been eliminated via peer reviews.

This seems about right to me.

How about you?

 

[(Q)]

Right,

Science removes the “Invisible Sky Daddy”, and believes that Rocks, Water, and Lightning pulled life off all by themselves through a mathematically impossible (miraculous) series of millions of perfectly executed and perfectly timed chemical reactions over millions of years without the process ever seriously breaking down in any substantial way and without it coming to an end up to and including today.

I think we are basically saying the same things.

My rocks just had eyes on them to make them appear to be more intelligent and capable of doing what you are saying they are capable of. Just for fun.

The kids would love it in biology class!!!

I thought it was fun anyway, and it is also accurate at the same time.

What you're saying is complete nonsense, most likely gleaned from some anti-science religious website where you get all your information.

So, you think it's fun showing everyone how clueless you are? Maybe that's true, I'm certainly having a laugh.

I prefer the Sky Daddy version.

Of course you do, you're a poster boy for an ongoing debate as to whether or not religion attracts really dumb people or does religion make people really dumb.

 

[exchemist]

Where did the chemicals in the pre-biotic soup come from? I was thinking from the run off and erosion of Rocks. So I just used Rocks as a starting point.

You're making the basic error, I imagine intentionally, of confusing evolution with abiogenesis. This is a very tired rhetorical gambit of creationists, which is only useful when talking to other creationists.

Do you want to keep this puerile, or do you want to grow up and have a serious discussion?

 

[billvon]

Where did the chemicals in the pre-biotic soup come from?

Hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, methane, ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, sulfur dioxide, water - and lightning.

 

[foghorn]

Are any of these your relatives??

Well, if you go way back, some of my and the rocks atoms may have come from the same star or nebula.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Well, if you go way back, some of my and the rocks atoms may have come from the same star or nebula.

Yes!

According to Carl Sagan we are all supposed to be made of Star Dust.

As you all know, the Bible stated that very thing, centuries before he did.

 

[billvon]

As you all know, the Bible stated that very thing, centuries before he did.

And that the Earth is flat and can't ever move.