Creation of the universe from the middle out....

[Pinball1970]

To be continued

Please don't.

 

[(Q)]

Dave, you haven't a clue as to how science actually works.

Projection is strong in this one.

 

[Pinball1970]

Projection is strong in this one.

It's an old guy too. I hope I still have some humility when I reach that age.

 

[Atlan0001]

A traveler powers away at 1-Earth gravity of constant acceleration (the only velocity there is to a constant of "powering" in the outer-spatial universe) from the local vicinity of the Earth bound observer. The constant of light emanating, and space-time signaling, coming from the ship back to the observer equals a micro-miniature nova of light traveling at the speed of light . . . which the Earth bound observer observes.

Barring all external delaying factors:

At one light second from Earth, it takes a grand total of two seconds round trip total for the observer to observe the continuously powering -- continuously accelerating at 1-Earth gravity -- traveler to be one light second from Earth . . . an appearance of the traveler slowing down in time (slowing down in aging) . . . an appearance of the clock slowing down in clocking time (time appearing to stretching out),

At one light year from Earth, it takes a grand total of two years round trip total -- from the time of the traveler's departure from the vicinity of the observer -- for the observer to observe the continuously powering traveler to be one light year from Earth . . . an appearance of the traveler slowing down in time (slowing down in aging)....

In that light year from ship to observer the traveler has been powering on traveling, forwarding in both space and time, unobserved by the Earth-bound observer. The real-space, real-time, traveler is increasingly gaining on the traveler (including in his time, his aging) the Earth-bound observer observes. The observed traveler in the observed universe, by the Earth-bound observer, is increasingly falling further and further behind the unobserved traveler. And, it is the same with the Earth-bound observer relative to the traveler, the Earth-bound observer to the traveler's rear under observation by the real-space, real-time, traveler. No matter what, at a distance of say four light years from him, the traveler will observe the Earth's Sun to be four light years away, and the Earth bound observer to be four years away . . . appearing to be four years behind him in time and aging, exactly the same as !he Earth bound observer observes for him arriving at Alpha Centauri four years after the fact of arrival (and appearing to be four years younger than he should be after eight or more years of apparent travel)! The speed of light is not instantaneous in time across any distance of space though some observers take it to be so.

 

[Pinball1970]

A traveler powers away at 1-Earth gravity of constant acceleration (the only velocity there is to a constant of "powering" in the outer-spatial universe) from the local vicinity of the Earth bound observer. The constant of light emanating, and space-time signaling, coming from the ship back to the observer equals a micro-miniature nova of light traveling at the speed of light . . . which the Earth bound observer observes.

Barring all external delaying factors:

At one light second from Earth, it takes a grand total of two seconds round trip total for the observer to observe the continuously powering -- continuously accelerating at 1-Earth gravity -- traveler to be one light second from Earth . . . an appearance of the traveler slowing down in time (slowing down in aging) . . . an appearance of the clock slowing down in clocking time (time appearing to stretching out),

At one light year from Earth, it takes a grand total of two years round trip total -- from the time of the traveler's departure from the vicinity of the observer -- for the observer to observe the continuously powering traveler to be one light year from Earth . . . an appearance of the traveler slowing down in time (slowing down in aging)....

In that light year from ship to observer the traveler has been powering on traveling, forwarding in both space and time, unobserved by the Earth-bound observer. The real-space, real-time, traveler is increasingly gaining on the traveler (including in his time, his aging) the Earth-bound observer observes. The observed traveler in the observed universe, by the Earth-bound observer, is increasingly falling further and further behind the unobserved traveler. And, it is the same with the Earth-bound observer relative to the traveler, the Earth-bound observer to the traveler's rear under observation by the real-space, real-time, traveler. No matter what, at a distance of say four light years from him, the traveler will observe the Earth's Sun to be four light years away, and the Earth bound observer to be four years away . . . appearing to be four years behind him in time and aging, exactly the same as !he Earth bound observer observes for him arriving at Alpha Centauri four years after the fact of arrival (and appearing to be four years younger than he should be after eight or more years of apparent travel)! The speed of light is not instantaneous in time across any distance of space though some observers take it to be so.

No.

 

[Atlan0001]

By the way, a man and woman who have nearly sixty years of a wonderful life and marriage, who have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren around them, even when just for a visit, are never old! Some who apparently have little to no life in them, cannot know it . . . cannot know life.

 

[Pinball1970]

By the way, a man and woman who have nearly sixty years of a wonderful life and marriage, who have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren around them, even when just for a visit, are never old! Some who apparently have little to no life in them, cannot know it . . . cannot know life.

Mostly good comment.
I'm glad you have all that, family is what it is all about.

 

[Olga]

Mostly good comment.
I'm glad you have all that, family is what it is all about.

Те, кто прожил вместе так долго, уже стали одним целым. Они сделали друг друга, обтесали друг друга. Свободы в этом нет, но это их выбор.

 

[Pinball1970]

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Те, кто прожил вместе так долго, уже стали одним целым. Они сделали друг друга, обтесали друг друга. Свободы в этом нет, но это их выбор.

Yes, and love Olga.

 

[Pinball1970]

By the way, a man and woman who have nearly sixty years of a wonderful life and marriage, who have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren around them, even when just for a visit, are never old! Some who apparently have little to no life in them, cannot know it . . . cannot know life.

You think I have no life in me?
I have family, a son and a beautiful niece I am trying to bully as much as I can. She placates me.
No grandchildren. Perhaps later.

You have a good life and family sir.

 

[Olga]

You think I have no life in me?
I have family, a son and a beautiful niece I am trying to bully as much as I can. She placates me.
No grandchildren. Perhaps later.

You have a good life and family sir.

Когда я представила себе это тихое, уютное счастье, у меня началась депрессия. Пришлось бежать, роняя тапки. Он до сих пор, наверное, мне этого не простил.

You think I have no life in me?
I have family, a son and a beautiful niece I am trying to bully as much as I can. She placates me.
No grandchildren. Perhaps later.

You have a good life and family sir.

 

[Atlan0001]

"Brevity may be soul of wit but repetition is the heart of instruction." -- Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.

Physicist Thomas S. Kuhn stated in the book, Chaos, by James Gleick, that, "Communication across the revolutionary divide is inevitably partial."

And mathematician Kurt Godel, best friend of Albert Einstein, on the incompleteness in and of formal systems:

Gödel's incompleteness theorems - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Atlan0001]

Hmmm! Reading more articles over time on the subject of light interference patterns, light interfering with itself, as it comes in to every crossroads point in the universe from every direction there is of the universe.

"Creation of the universe from the middle out...." From tree trunk NOW out to infinities of branches, including ever-branching roots . . . possibly all folding back into the trunk of the overall tree, thus, one with the trunk.

I write of the universe's observable "past histories" and unobservable "future histories" hidden in the horizons of the universe . . . the horizon universes. I may be taking two shortcuts I maybe shouldn't be taking. I maybe should be calling them "past-future histories" and "future-past histories." Passings at and through the crossroads of the universe's interference patterns . . . which interference patterns anywhere and everywhere go to defeat and annihilate the barrier.

I'm reminded of the strong interaction, aka the strong force, aka the strong nuclear force:

Strong interaction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I remember reading Stephen Hawking's description of the particle with six sides to that single particle; each side developing, being, an individual particle in its own right separate from the other five while yet always inseparably just a side to that single particle with six sides.

 

[davewhite04]

I always have the strangest feeling that the universe is always in creation from the middle out, future histories (concurrency) forward and past histories (the foundational props) behind, accelerating in expansion out from the middle out, NOW this instant. That right NOW, this instant, is the endless beginning of the universe . . . of all universes. That it is the only real possibility of creation, of beginning, and of the continuous life and physics -- the whole thing -- of the universe.

I tend to look at the singualarity and imagine it as a seed... then it just flourises after it bursts open with life in the soil. Which direction does a seed grow?

 

[Atlan0001]

"Brevity may be the soul of wit but repetition is the heart of instruction." -- Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
"Communication across the revolutionary divide is inevitably partial." -- Physicist Thomas S. Kuhn. (Incompleteness.)
"From a drop of water, a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or a Niagara without having seen or heard of one or the other...." -- 'Sherlock Holmes: A Study in Scarlet', by Arthur Canon Doyle.
It has been chronicled that Albert Einstein took a mind's eye trip to the speed of light and described what he discovered there.
Similarly, very similarly, to the point of self-similarly, Stephen Hawking wrote of a "Grand Central Station of Universe" with one, and one only, [midnight-morn] single-digited, single-handed, frozen-in-time clock hanging over the dead center of the Station . . . through which, and beneath which, all passes eternally.

I have a coffee mug long ago given to me by a sister-in-law as a gift imprinted with, "'Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds....' -- Albert Einstein." She thought it a perfect gift for me at the time and still thinks so.

There are those people hatefully and deathly afraid of what they cannot see, cannot possibly understand, or even begin to conceive of (are mentally and emotionally blind to), such as the multi-faceted multi-dimensional Multiverse Universe, aka horizons of the infinite, infinitesimal, infinity, and infinities. Or, an infinitely dense singularity of "Cosmic All" that is at once its own infinitesimally dense hole of a relatively complete vacuum or void from which anything and everything finite -- of an infinity of finites / an infinity of infinites and/or infinitesimals -- can appear out of, or be drawn out of, or even entered into . . . such as an observable universe of an infinity of such observable universes. 'Verse', in the old archaic Latin, "versus", "versa", turn, to turn, turns of time, wheels within wheels in clocks turning altogether measuring time, or even a measuring sun-dial. Or, orbits and spins . . . of objects (and objectivity), planets, solar systems, galaxies, universes all, wheels of time turning / spinning ("as the world turns," or, in a Harry Potter book by J. K. Rowling, and the movie of the same, a "time turner" spinning gyroscopically from the timeless hub -- Einstein and Hawking chronicled above, among some others that weren't- middle out).

 

[DaveC426913]

Atlan, could you do us and yourself a small favour? Could you separate repetitious stuff from new content so we can skip ahead so as not to get bored and stop reading? Those Patton and Einstein platitudes and quotes are getting old.

Also, while this is the FT subforum, this is still a science site. Are you going to post anything science-y?

 

[Pinball1970]

so as not to get bored and stop reading?

That time has come and gone my friend.

 

[Atlan0001]

That time has come and gone my friend.

Apparently not. And elsewhere this [oh so] boring non-science stuff, non-science to you (elsewhere physics and "Cosmology"), I just discovered today, is reaching 191,000 reads, 31,000 reads since I was stopped adding to it.

 

[DaveC426913]

I just discovered today, is reaching 191,000 reads, 31,000 reads since I was stopped adding to it.

Congratulations. You have just discovered bots and web-crawlers.

 

[Atlan0001]

Congratulations. You have just discovered bots and web-crawlers.

Prove it. I told you once, "Dave, you haven't a clue as to how science actually works." Especially the science of the mind (infinity of the mind) and communication.