"Compromised science" news/opines (includes retractions, declining academic standards, pred-J, etc)

wegs said:
I don't know enough about Robert F. Kennedy's background in general, but I'm getting a vibe that this isn't a wise choice.
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He's what mainstream scientists and even the rest of the Kennedy clan would consider a crank -- especially with respect to vaccines, HIV/AIDS denialism, etc. Once a representative for the contrarian and conspiracy mindset on the left-populist side of the fence, and really still is.

His alliance with Trump doesn't change that, since they converge in the general populist and independent voter medium. Going back over four decades, Trump has historically and opportunistically flirted with and courted everybody -- he's not a real conservative (as exemplified by his overhaul of the GOP and his own drawing power to attract a wider spectrum of antielitist tastes, disaffected minorities, and political extremes).
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Scientists who object to animal testing claim they are frozen out by peers
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ting-experiment-science-medical-b2623434.html

Researchers say they are being forced to carry out experiments with animals if they want their work to be published, after their studies were rejected because they did not include an animal test. However, a UK-based defender of animal testing said claims of a divide between scientists were being exaggerated by animal rights campaigners...
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wegs said:
I don't know enough about Robert F. Kennedy's background in general, but I'm getting a vibe that this isn't a wise choice.
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That could be the understatement of the year. The guy is a 6-cylinder wacko, no question. But it’s going to be an administration of wackos. The American people have decided they don’t care. Popcorn time for the rest of us, except that we have to get poorer and live with a world in which might is right as a result. The USA has embraced decline.
 
C C said:
Scientists who object to animal testing claim they are frozen out by peers
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ting-experiment-science-medical-b2623434.html

Researchers say they are being forced to carry out experiments with animals if they want their work to be published, after their studies were rejected because they did not include an animal test. However, a UK-based defender of animal testing said claims of a divide between scientists were being exaggerated by animal rights campaigners...
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At least they're not being branded as "terrorists" and imprisoned for spamming the fax machines of animal-testing laboratories. (SHAC 7)

The ethical problems and the fact of animal testing being wholly unnecessary aside, there's also that bit about animal testing largely yielding useless information, as well. As with the glaring problem with efforts to assess non-human "intelligence" that has long been ignored by "scientists": Analogically, if you follow a bunch of kids walking home from school, knock 'em over the head, throw 'em in the back of windowless white van, maybe rape them a few times, and then throw a bunch of stupid tests at them. Probably not gonna get meaningful data, right?
 
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exchemist said:
That could be the understatement of the year. The guy is a 6-cylinder wacko, no question. But it’s going to be an administration of wackos. The American people have decided they don’t care. Popcorn time for the rest of us, except that we have to get poorer and live with a world in which might is right as a result. The USA has embraced decline.
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Regarding RFK, I think Americans need to stop viewing everything in terms of 'two parties'' competing. When it comes to this appointment, RFK will be involved with life or death decisions (in many cases), so if one of the reasons for selecting him is he'll appeal to Independents (I'm an Independent), I don't see that materializing. There are some things that just shouldn't be political.

I guess we'll wait and see, and I'd like to be cautiously optimistic, but it's just a gut feeling. :rolleye:
 
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He's what mainstream scientists and even the rest of the Kennedy clan would consider a crank -- especially with respect to vaccines, HIV/AIDS denialism, etc. Once a representative for the contrarian and conspiracy mindset on the left-populist side of the fence, and really still is.

His alliance with Trump doesn't change that, since they converge in the general populist and independent voter medium. Going back over four decades, Trump has historically and opportunistically flirted with and courted everybody -- he's not a real conservative (as exemplified by his overhaul of the GOP and his own drawing power to attract a wider spectrum of antielitist tastes, disaffected minorities, and political extremes).
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Interesting. Of the little I've researched about RFK, he sounds like an anti ''deep state,'' thinker who may lean a little too much in the direction of conspiracy theories, and also, has a disdain for big pharma. I don't like big pharma either tbh, but this doesn't seem like the right way to go about this.
 
wegs said:
Interesting. Of the little I've researched about RFK, he sounds like an anti ''deep state,'' thinker who may lean a little too much in the direction of conspiracy theories, and also, has a disdain for big pharma. I don't like big pharma either tbh, but this doesn't seem like the right way to go about this.
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Naomi Klein's Doppleganger (which I recommend) explores, in part, how the Right has managed to siphon off some of the more dim-witted fringe Left who are "sceptical" of Big Pharma and Medicine by embracing some of this shit.

And, yeah, there are a lot of problematic aspects: The CDC has lost a lot of credibility, Big Pharma knowingly pushes addictive shit (Oxycontin, etc.) and useless shit (whatever crap is in the Sudafed you don't have to get a the counter), but... Embracing silliness is hardly the best reaction.
 
wegs said:
Interesting. Of the little I've researched about RFK, he sounds like an anti ''deep state,'' thinker who may lean a little too much in the direction of conspiracy theories, and also, has a disdain for big pharma. I don't like big pharma either tbh, but this doesn't seem like the right way to go about this.
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Junior says: “If vaccines are working for somebody, I’m not going to take them away. People ought to have choice, and that choice ought to be informed by the best information.”

And that's probably the case -- most of the extreme dread is over the top. But certainly he's going to say and do some controversial things, and possibly a handful of his rehabilitative efforts might turn out to even be positive down the line (I mean, it's not like the medical system and pharma industry in the US aren't a train-wreck in particular areas). Yet it's going to be a rocky ride with fireworks and consequences, for sure.
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Sam Seder just proposed putting RFK Jr in charge of everything, and I fully back that endorsement. Just let him go apeshit on every department, like how Jordan Peterson opposes breast reductions for trans people, but fully supports breast augmentation for "inadequate" women. Just imagine the possibilities!
 
So apparently RFK Jr plans to turn Puerto Rico into a sort of Island of Dr Moreau and he wants to resurrect Marlon Brando (with ice bucket hat, cuz he thinks he's a dolphin?) to oversee operations. It sounds a bit suspect, but I saw it either on YouTube or in my head, hopped up on pseudoephedrine, so it must be true.
 
parmalee said:
So apparently RFK Jr plans to turn Puerto Rico into a sort of Island of Dr Moreau and he wants to resurrect Marlon Brando (with ice bucket hat, cuz he thinks he's a dolphin?) to oversee operations. It sounds a bit suspect, but I saw it either on YouTube or in my head, hopped up on pseudoephedrine, so it must be true.
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Experimental animals that don't turn out well will be euthanized and the body dropped in Central Park.

 
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Experimental animals that don't turn out well will be euthanized and the body dropped in Central Park.

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Amazing how these things fall into place. The instant I saw his association with a bear in the title, I thought of his brain worm story months ago. Before this, I had been stuck with the TV miniseries BrainDead erratically registering, wherein invasive space bugs partially replace the brains of politicians in Washington DC, via squeezing a segment of neural tissue out through their ears.

Darned if Junior didn't facetiously mention the connection himself: “ I was gonna skin the bear ... I was gonna put the meat in my refrigerator ... Maybe that’s where I got my brain worm,” he told the magazine [The New Yorker].".

Family stricken with rare brain worms after eating undercooked bear
https://arstechnica.com/science/202...n-undercooked-bear-watch-out-for-brain-worms/

"But just days later, family members began falling ill. One, a 29-year-old male in Minnesota, sought care for a mysterious illness marked by fever, severe muscle pains, swelling around his eyes (periorbital edema), high levels of infection-fighting white blood cells (eosinophilia, a common response to parasites), and other laboratory anomalies. The man sought care four times and was hospitalized twice in a 17-day span in July. It wasn't until his second hospitalization that doctors learned about the bear meat—and then it all made sense..."
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C C said:
Darned if Junior didn't facetiously mention the connection himself: “ I was gonna skin the bear ... I was gonna put the meat in my refrigerator ... Maybe that’s where I got my brain worm,” he told the magazine [The New Yorker].".
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???

Obviously, he got the brain worm from a vaccine.
 
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wegs said:
Regarding RFK, I think Americans need to stop viewing everything in terms of 'two parties'' competing. When it comes to this appointment, RFK will be involved with life or death decisions (in many cases), so if one of the reasons for selecting him is he'll appeal to Independents (I'm an Independent), I don't see that materializing. There are some things that just shouldn't be political.

I guess we'll wait and see, and I'd like to be cautiously optimistic, but it's just a gut feeling. :rolleye:
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My comment on RFK is based on his behaviour and statements to date, not on any party allegiance. He's a known antivaxxer, seems to have delusions about his abilities, and the incident with the bear corpse in Central Park merely confirms he has a screw loose somewhere. (He also haas zero qualifications or experience for any post relating to the management of medical services.)
 
exchemist said:
My comment on RFK is based on his behaviour and statements to date, not on any party allegiance. He's a known antivaxxer, seems to have delusions about his abilities, and the incident with the bear corpse in Central Park merely confirms he has a screw loose somewhere. (He also haas zero qualifications or experience for any post relating to the management of medical services.)
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I don't disagree, this appointment is an odd (possibly reckless) choice to me. I was referring more to Trump, and that maybe his motivation for inviting RFK to join his team, has more to do with party affiliations, seeing that RFK and his family have been in politics for a while, on the other side of the aisle.
 
wegs said:
I don't disagree, this appointment is an odd (possibly reckless) choice to me. I was referring more to Trump, and that maybe his motivation for inviting RFK to join his team, has more to do with party affiliations, seeing that RFK and his family have been in politics for a while, on the other side of the aisle.
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Nah. Trump is a troll. This is a way to troll the medical establishment. He probably nurses a grudge for the way he was made to look such a fool over his remarks about covid.

I just don’t believe the guy makes calculated political alliances.
 
wegs said:
I don't know enough about Robert F. Kennedy's background in general, but I'm getting a vibe that this isn't a wise choice.
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Even most members of his own family have publicly warned us about RFK, they know he's a whack job. Who I feel sorry for is Cheryl Hines caught up right in the middle. She loves her husband but just can't get behind his politics.
 
OMG! I did not know Cheryl was not wearing her wedding ring, was not speaking to Bobby and is thinking of filing for divorce. Holy doodle.
 
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