Classic Western Medicine

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by wanneszinnig, Nov 15, 2007.

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  1. wanneszinnig God doesn't work 2day Registered Senior Member

    What is your opinion on it?

    Let me give you an exemple:

    I have severe astma since I was a baby. To tread it, my parents took me to various doctors, specialists, alternative doctors, institutes and so on.
    At the end they returned where they begun: Western Medicine. The classical treatment wich focussed on one problem: my lungs.
    I was put on a diet (couldn't eat any cheese, ices, milk, nuts, ....) and given inhalators to stabelize my condition. Those inhalators helped me out in many situations, but still they contain Ethanol and Cortisone.
    I don't need to explain you that these products worry me.

    To keep it short: I now found myself an alternative, Eastern orientated, doctor that focusses not only on my lungs but on my total body. His theory is, that I have to sweat out all the allergenes I have in me to cure. A bit like a flue treatment.
    Sounds logical to me.

    If his theory is right and it works out....then Western Medicine has poisened me for at least 20 years.

    What do you think? Any suggestions?
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  3. mathman Valued Senior Member

    Good luck, but keep your inhalators handy in case you have an attack. There are "western" treatments to desensitize you against allergens, but they have to identified, and it tends to take a long time. Have any doctors recommended antihistamines?
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    Western medicine is the best thing going, but some traditional treatments do work, (not necessarily for the reasons they say). Let us know if it works.
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  7. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

    Western med is great at fix/broken/broken/fix. It is pure shit with chronic ailments.

    For example. I was totally impressed with the skill of surgeons whom worked on my pop-lung problem(well except for that one intern

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    ). It amazes me what they can do. The fact that they didn't bother to stitch me, tell me there is a problem with giving a shit about the patient, just doing whatever their "job" is, really well.

    Eastern med can be pretty hokey, I mean lots of touchy feely talk, touchey feely eats and herbs and shit. But it can actually make you "feel" better if you stick to it. I have found certain foods, herbs etc. can help with my thyroid symptoms better than synthroid(west med drug), which just makes my blood look "good", which is all my Dr. gives a shit about.
  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    There's a huge psychological component to many respiratory ailments. It stands to reason that approaching the problem from that angle could, in some people, be as effective or more effective than somatic medicine.

    Many traditional healing techniques are just variants on the placebo effect, whose power is well documented.
  9. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

    I agree.

    Adding to this trouble are scenarios like this:
    I've been having nasal problems ever since my childhood. Last year, the thing got extremely bad. I went to see a specialist otorhynolaryngologist. I was diagnosed with Chronic Rhinitis and prescribed a spray with steroids. The spray eases the nose problems well, but negative side effects are listed for it. Next time I was at my GP and he sees my chart, my diagnosis from the ORL and the prescribed medication, the GP says "Don't take this!"

    So what I supposed to do?! Listen to the GP or the ORL specialist?

    They tell me it's up to me to decide - but how can I, being without a specialist medical education and without being able to set an accurate diagnosis myself, really make an "informed decision"?!
  10. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

    Seems to me that western med is beginning to expand it's horizons.

    All you need is a little hookworm infection.
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  11. wanneszinnig God doesn't work 2day Registered Senior Member


    My current doctor insisted I would keep on taking the inhalators. Cause if I don't, I end up in hospital. He says that if the treatment works out well, I will be abble to live without them. I hardly can believe that ..still I am giving it a chance.
    I think the anithestamines-treatment sounds a little similar to the treatment I am following now.
    What my doc did now is this:
    - he first did some research on al my accupuntural points on my fingers and feet.
    - He said that those points correspond with my intestines
    - He messured the energy comming from those intestines and my score was...very bad.
    - He said my body is totaly instable because of the diet I was havind and because my previous doctors only focussed on my lungs...still the problem is much more complex then that.
    - So what he did was searching for the allergens that instablise my body and make a medicine that would provoke the allergic reactions so that my body will attack those allergenes to make me imune to it.

    As I said: it sounded to me a like how a flue vacination works

    And yes there is a psychological part too...still that is the same as with Western Medicine. Your psychy is also a part of your if that part is not'll be having a hard time to cure.

    And I agree that Western Med is good for urgent matters such as surgery and fixing broken things....but maybe we should open up our minds when it comes down to other (chronic) disseases.
  12. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

    It's not an either or situation.
    1) I assume that most western doctors know that regular intake of cortisol has minuses. They weighed those, hopefully, decided the plusses outweight those minuses. I think there is a tendency in western medicine to overprescribe in sub-acute situations drugs that have a decent amount of minuses. For me alternative care is the first line of defense I use against everything that I would not rush to an emergency room for.
    2) One thing I respect about Chinese Medicine is that they use different treatments for different individuals. For example they may decide that your asthma is exacerbated by poor digestion and their treatment will reflect that. I think there is a greater tendency to see one size - not one dose - solutions in WM.
    3) You may end up finding a combined approach with the inhalers as a rarely used back-up will work. One opportunity we have now is to choose the best from anywhere in the world and see what works for us.
  13. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

    You could give them each a shot at justification. From there of course it will probably be a decision based on intuition, but really that has always been the case, it's just we usually had one expert who was very certain.
  14. kmguru Staff Member

    Western medicine work well in the area of Surgery, killing microbes et el, supplementing chemical imbalances for obvious reasons. Where western medicine fail is when they try to fix the symptom rather than the cause. For example, it is like, if your car engine is not getting a higher flow of gasoline because of plugging of gas filter and your mechanic offers you a solution to install a bigger fuel injector - then he is try to solve the effects not the cause.

    Asthma is a systemic problem (including a thought processing component) that does not have a specific failure that can be treated. However, a friend of mine resolved his asthma problem of 25 years by using Ayurvedic drugs and change in life style. The same process may not work with others, otherwise he would have been rich selling to a lot of Asthma sufferers in USA.

    Knowing which solution works the best for problems would be a wise decision.

    Asthma is directly linked to how one reacts to Stress. And Stress can kill you. Stress is all in the mind, but not easily solved. But you can make a big dent by Nutrition and Exercise.
  15. wanneszinnig God doesn't work 2day Registered Senior Member


    I totaly agree with you that stress is a cause of many ilnesses.
    Momenteraly I am, again, on a strickt diet.
    I have been exercising my whole life. Even with my asthma I was abble to be a top 5 Judoka.

    But I have the impression that I am on a 'regression'. The asthma causes me more and more often troubles then 5 years ago.

    So I have to see how it works out now with my alternative doc.
  16. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

    I decided against using the medication for the chronic rhinitis.
    Not because the GP said so, but
    (1) because the projected long-term negative side effects of the medication outweigh its benefits even in the most ideal case,
    (2) because I couldn't reconcile the conflicting attitudes that were requested of me to hold, ie. on the one hand, I was expected to fully trust the medication, and on the other hand, I was expected to be allright with knowing it might not work and cause negative side-effects.
  17. klettbar Registered Member

    I think the approach which considers the whole body vs. a single system or organ is certainly more intelligent in the long run, and also more effective.
    The fact that disease and cure must be lightning fast belongs to our contemporary lifestyle made of wars, industrial products, videogames, packaged food, videogames, etc.
    Consider the body like a series of semipermeable tubs filled with various fluids, and immersed in a bigger tub. Trying to make tricks in one tub only, may work as long as you watch the one tub. But if you zoom out and see the bigger tub, you will see the larger liquid getting dirty. And in the "long run" dirt redistributes. I guess health and disease is all a matter of dirt, and filters, and rate of cleaning, etc...I would like to be able to be less simpler than that...Anyway i think you are on the right track when you consider a holistic approach.
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    Congratulations on your stunning feat of thread necromancy. Four years????
  19. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    He must have played this card....

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    Hey, last week somebody bumped a 10-year old thread, think it was in religion...:bugeye:

    Western medicine is still learning a lot about how various body systems interact..trying different stuff for chronic illness is not necessarily a bad idea...but in the past, a lot of people with chronic illness just died.

    To some degree those of us hobbling around with lifelong illness that we were born with and that could have killed us?

    We're the not completely-unmixed triumph of modern medicine, golems of the wizards in white coats.
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  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    i could write a diatribe about the idocy of "Alternitive med" in theory, in the claims made and in the results when its studied and its excuses as to why when they are resurched they fall flat on there face but insted i will just post this
  21. Boris2 Valued Senior Member


    Mao's Barefoot Doctors: The Secret History of Chinese Medicine

    Westerners' belief that Chinese have long relied on alternative medicine is due in part to being duped by book publishers.

    more at link.
  22. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

    Guess what many drugs are made of?

  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

    LOL We have medicine to cure the side effects of other medicine. The best medicine comes from the ground :m:
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