Charlie Kirk Shot in Utah

pjdude1219 said:
and once again all you can do is give into your base emotional responses and insult.

News flash pumpkin people who aren't lying typical response to the suggestion they aren't being truthful is to provide evidence not throw a temper tantrum and insult people.


Lets be honest. The real reason your so upset is I'm not playing the game you want and debating you and treating you like you're acting in good faith. I'm just calling out your bad faith statement and leaving it at that.
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You don't know what a real emotional reply would consist of, nor any idea what a real temper tantrum is. I'm not upset at all. I don't really give a damn what you or anyone else thinks of me. Especially you. Live in your own world.
 
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So, it looks like Jimmy Kimmel just won.


BREAKING

Jimmy Kimmel’s show is returning to ABC.

"Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday."

(@yashar↱)​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970210322561802358
 

Tiassa said:
So, it looks like Jimmy Kimmel just won.
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Not to be unduly cynical, but it seems possible that it's money that just won. Perhaps ABC, seeing a mass boycott already brewing, weighed the relative risks and decided they could sell the Right on the idea they'd had a stern talk with Kimmel out behind the woodshed. Kimmel will undoubtedly piss off Turnip and his minions again, and ABC can stage performative woodshed sessions each time, without losing a big chunk of viewers.
 
Decades ago, one was free to make jokes on crippled men, homosexuals, blind people, the retarded, the mute, the blacks, and it was no problem. Of course, someone complained here and there but it was understood that life is not fair and that jokes and jokes.

Later, a kind of censure took place, and complaints about jokes were taken "seriously".

So, you can't enjoy jokes like years ago, now humor has been restricted.

This is similar to July 4 at the Mall in Washington DC. In the 70s, 80s, the Mall where the Washington Monument is located, people were free to bring their food, their cooler with sodas and beer, having a nice afternoon sitting and playing, dancing, celebrating. Night came and fireworks, music (Beach Boys was the favorite group).

But mmm mmm mmm, I think an invasion to Iraq messed up everything. freedom suffered a big hit. The president in charge removed the Beach Boys, but their replacement, a singer, made a good show. However, restrictions start to accumulate year after year. No more coolers were accepted, no kore huge beer trucks parked on the premises selling plastic cups of beer for three bucks, Budweiser and Coors weren't invited anymore. For security reasons the free entrance still without charge but limited. A temporary fence was built every year to protect I don't know what or whom?

Same with jokes. And this is really weird, because even Caligula, the terrible king of Rome, allowed the street actors to laugh of him, he didn't censor their acts. But today, it appears that "compassion" for the family of a victim is overdue.

When I don't like a show I simply change the TV channel. I myself don't like Kimmel's humor, I find it not funny. However, I noticed that lots of people like his show, and regardless their motive I don't think is right to censor the comedian because his jokes.

'In my job, I used to have a chief who used to imitate me making fun of me. He was good doing it that I myself was rolling in the floor laughing of his jokes on me. Why not? He was good, I'm telling you.

I think that only people with poor personality gets offended by jokes made about them. I truly think so. When someone becomes a public figure, the cost of fame is painful, and that is the part they must learn to deal with.

About Charlie himself, I never heard about him until the news said he was shot. In other words, he wasn't important to me, or better to say, it was not my thing. It is bad news the way he died, hope his family to recover from this tragedy and let go.
 
TheVat said:
Not to be unduly cynical, but it seems possible that it's money that just won. Perhaps ABC, seeing a mass boycott already brewing, weighed the relative risks and decided they could sell the Right on the idea they'd had a stern talk with Kimmel out behind the woodshed. Kimmel will undoubtedly piss off Turnip and his minions again, and ABC can stage performative woodshed sessions each time, without losing a big chunk of viewers.
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There's also that whole swift response to backlash over a rich white guy being "cancelled" whilst countless thousands of brown people have been disappeared, likely permanently, to foreign gulags with nary a whimper from the masses.
 
TheVat said:
Not to be unduly cynical, but it seems possible that it's money that just won. Perhaps ABC, seeing a mass boycott already brewing, weighed the relative risks and decided they could sell the Right on the idea they'd had a stern talk with Kimmel out behind the woodshed. Kimmel will undoubtedly piss off Turnip and his minions again, and ABC can stage performative woodshed sessions each time, without losing a big chunk of viewers.
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They all bow to the bottom line.
 
So the "official" story at the moment, from the FBI, was that the shooter used a high powered rifle, likely the Mauser-98 that they recovered wrapped in a towel (as also described in the apparent confession to his room-mate/lover on Whatsapp, or other message app). This rifle, they say, fires 30-06 calibre bullets, and was fired from about 150 yards away.

However, the surgeon's report seems to suggest otherwise. A person spoke to the surgeon who worked on Kirk in the hospital, who reportedly said that the bullet "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round." But the bullet was found relatively close to the surface at the entry point. Yep - Charlie Kirk's body "stopped" the round, a round that, if fired from the suspected gun, should have not just gone through but would have taken out anyone behind as well.
So, sure, there are people on the right that are already jumping on this and claiming it a miracle! A bullet is stopped by Kirk's neck (our neck muscles are actually quite fragile), "he's like the man of steel", it's a sign from God, all that stuff.

But, anyone who knows anything about the supposed rifle, and the bullet supposedly used (30-06) knows that there is 0% chance that the bullet would have been stopped by someone's neck, let alone the idea that it actually deflected off some ballistic armour he was wearing. There is youtube footage of someone shooting the same calibre from that type of rifle, and it shatters the ballistic armour, and would have shredded Kirk's neck, and damaged the people behind.

So, yeah, it might just be that the "gun in the towel" that the "confession" mentioned and was subsequently found, really isn't the actual gun at all.

Then there's footage of the sound of the shot. Apparently that shot should have made anyone who heard it jump from shock, given that it would be really quite loud (high-powered rifle and all), but the shot heard in the video doesn't cause anyone to flinch, to turn their head, until a while after the sound, (when the screaming starts etc). The sound, it is thought, would be more like you would expect from a much lower-powered rifle, maybe even with a surpressor.

So the FBI have already released the messages between the arrested shooter and the friend - something some senior lawyers are saying should absolutely not have been done, as that supposed evidence now taints the view of anyone in the future jury pool - and those messages are strangely AI-sounding. And now they have a gun firing a round that would almost certainly have done far more damage, and definitely not been stopped just below the skin.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, maybe the release of the evidence is to give the guy they've framed an "out" in the court cases, to be able to dismiss the case due to being unable to get a fair trial, etc. Rather than have it go to court and have their evidence ripped apart?

Ah, rabbit holes. Gotta love 'em. ;)
 
Sarkus said:
And now they have a gun firing a round that would almost certainly have done far more damage, and definitely not been stopped just below the skin.
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I'm going to say something stupid: Part of the story about transgender might have involved misinterpreting headstamps. If, for instance, the round came from Turan, Turkey (TRN), when was it actually made? What if it was a brittle bullet?

I know nothing about armament quality control standards around the world. Furthermore, I know nothing about shelf life and durability, but if it was grandpa's gun, what if it was grandpa's bullet?

To the other, I actually presume the rifle and bullet performed reasonably as expected, else the shot would have missed.
 
A Prayer for the Weary

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Conundrum: Can't live with 'em, can't smack 'em with a dildo.​

Dear Lord, please, I don't actually want to keep making these transcripts ....

Per Right Wing Watch↱

MAGA pastor Shane Vaughn claims that God allowed Satan to kill Charlie Kirk before Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson could turn Kirk against Israel: "God said, 'No, not today. You're too pure and you have too much influence.'"​

Oh, dear Lord, no, no, no, I can't, I don't, I mean, oh, come on.

(sigh)

Transcript says:

VAUGHN: No, Israel did not kill Charlie Kirk. Satan did. And God allowed it, for reasons that we may never know. But here's what I do know when I tell you something, there is something, I have had my finger on the pulse of this nation for five years. I told you what the problem was. They were turning him in―... they, there was, Tucker and him were like this. They were turning Charlie against God's Chosen People. And God said, "No, not today, no no no, no, no, you're too pure, and you have too much influence, so I'm going to bring you before Satan, to use you. I'm going to let your testimony, for the rest of your life, be all of the positive things you have said about Israel that's on record." See, now, there are no videos of him, except one where he started questioning Israel; everything else is all positive Israel. And isn't that funny, that's all that's left in the collective archive.​

We might argue "collective" or "collected", but I'm pretty sure it's the former, and I'm not sure the difference really matters, this time.

And it's not even the contrast between "reasons that we may never know" and the mere fact of the subsequent speculation.

Rather, this is the challenge before us; the whole thing where critics gratify religious distractions↗ would be easier summarized in sarcasm, but the setup is too subtle for ritual zealotry.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978848386993242376
 
Like, This, For Instance

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Dildo: Dildo, dildo, who's got the dildo.​

¿What? What the hell am I supposed to do with this?

You know the routine: Per Right Wing Watch↱:

A tearful Kim Robinson reports that God showed her that Charlie Kirk was rewarded with a horse ranch in Heaven and she saw "Charlie riding on a horse, with Jesus."​

Ah, fuck. Transcript says:

ROBINSON: This morning when I was praying and going over my notes, y'know, an account, and, you know, reading this, the Lord showed me that, uh, He showed me Charlie in Heaven, and like I said, I don't know anything about Charlie, so I hope somebody puts in the chat, or lets me know, you know, if this is, what you know about him, but I saw Charlie this morning, riding on a horse, with Jesus, and Jesus has given him, like, a horse ranch, he has a ranch, and he has all these animals and I just feel like Charlie loved horses, and, right now, this morning, you know, he was on his, he was on these horses, and he was riding in his horse ranch with Jesus, and I'm just like, isn't that amazing.​

Once upon a time, we tried to ignore this, and it's not so much that people can make a living doing this, but, yeah, here we are.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976333650255020062
 
Tiassa said:
Kim Robinson reports that God showed her that Charlie Kirk was rewarded with a horse
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Wow, context matters doesn't it?

Anyway you mentioned right wing Christian republicans are moving more towards Charlie Kirk narrative (anti immigration, racist, misogynistic......) and less of the anti ID/Creationist anti science agenda.
Is this your feeling?
I asked copilot the same question and it listed a few organisations and included Texas and Oklahoma as targets.
I was at work so had no time to check out the sources.
 
This Feels Like Something I Should Leave Alone

"Even losers & haters have to concede, this is a match made in fun/lurid/all-Christian MAGA TV heaven."


The algorithm keeps this part a hot topic, and the thing is, it's sordid enough that we should in fact just leave it alone, so that's what we'll do. Either this amounts to something later, or it doesn't. We can worry about it, then.

In the moment, however, the observation that none of these conservatives have normal social skills should suffice.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1984285450799022512
 
Tiassa said:
This Feels Like Something I Should Leave Alone

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"Even losers & haters have to concede, this is a match made in fun/lurid/all-Christian MAGA TV heaven."​
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The algorithm keeps this part a hot topic, and the thing is, it's sordid enough that we should in fact just leave it alone, so that's what we'll do. Either this amounts to something later, or it doesn't. We can worry about it, then.

In the moment, however, the observation that none of these conservatives have normal social skills should suffice.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1984285450799022512
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I predict that JD Mandel will be abandoning his shit-eating, goblin-worshipping wife and kids for Ms Kirk in the coming weeks.
 
parmalee said:
I predict that JD Mandel will be abandoning his shit-eating, goblin-worshipping wife and kids for Ms Kirk in the coming weeks.
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My bad. It seems that Mr Mandel is turning the wife and kids away from their shit-eating, goblin-worshipping ways:

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When asked how he and his wife of more than a decade manage raising their three children in an inter-faith household — she was raised Hindu, while he converted to Catholicism in adulthood — the vice president shared that they are raising their children Christian. He added that he hopes his wife will one day be swayed by his faith as well.

"Most Sundays, Usha will come with me to church," JD continued. "Do I hope, eventually, that she is somehow moved by the same thing that I was moved in by church? Yeah, honestly, I do wish that, because I believe in the Christian gospel and I hope eventually my wife comes to see it the same way."
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people.com

JD Vance and Erika Kirk's Warm Hug at Turning Point Event Goes Viral

Vice President JD Vance joined Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika, at a Turning Point USA event on Oct. 29, leading to an emotional embrace on the stage
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Yay! Christ is king and all that....
 
Pinball1970 said:
On the plus side, there are horses in heaven.
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Color me cynical, but an Evangelical Christian even hinting at the possibility that there are horses in heaven? This Kim Robinson lady is plainly hysterical, or possibly even a demon (or goblin) herself.

I've certainly got some strong biases about certain matters along these lines, but the fact is that the vast overwhelming majority of rescue dogs come from certain regions in the US, where there are also fairly high incidences of dogs being taken from shelters or even abducted right off the streets and sold to laboratories and the military for purposes of "research", and these regions are pretty solidly Evangelical Christian. (Citations available upon request.)

If, in fact, Charlie Kirk has a bunch of horses in heaven, these "horses" are in no sense manifestations of the "souls" or "spirits" of actual deceased horses because horses do not have these things--according to persons of Robinson's ilk. (For me personally, pretty much everything in that sentence is problematic.). Maybe they're robots or some variety of golems or something.

I dunno, just... fuck these people. I know a lot of people are somehow capable of finding some solace or reason for optimism by virtue of the fact that these people do not represent a majority of Americans, but for me, even if they were representative of perhaps, say, "just" ,5 percent of Americans (but really it's more like 40 percent), they are so loathesome and vile and dangerous that relative scarcity shouldn't even factor into consideration of their disruptive and destructive potential. It's a bit like being consoled by the fact that amongst a group of a thousand people only two of them happen to be psychopathic serial killers--you've still got an enormous problem on your hands.
 
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parmalee said:
If, in fact, Charlie Kirk has a bunch of horses in heaven, these "horses" are in no sense manifestations of the "souls" or "spirits" of actual deceased horses because horses do not have these things--according to persons of Robinson's ilk.
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Can you imagine getting redpilled in Heaven?

One of the things about the illusions of reality falling away is that when our souls are revealed to be mere byproducts of a cosmic-scale process, there will be no language left by which one realizes anything. There is no holy shit moment if there are no words for, "Holy shit!"

That would be the most anticlimactic triumph, the most pyrrhic of all victories, that never really was.
 
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